Why not always SN for the journey?

[SenMorta]

Hiya, I am new.

I'm researching methods right now and read the three 'main ones on suicide wiki.

From hanging, falling and SN, the latter seems far more peacefully and a helluva lot less risky.

So why is it not the main choice for everyone?

 

[these_days9]

Welcome! I think no method is perfect and everyone just figures out which one is the most palatable for them. Also, depending on where someone lives or their financial situation, SN done best might not be super feasible.

 

[SenMorta]

The wiki page (not fully read) hasn't really made the cost of failure sound all too bad.

SN seems cheap in my area

What are the actually cons of SN?

 

[Verklempt]

The wiki page (not fully read) hasn't really made the cost of failure sound all too bad.

SN seems cheap in my area

What are the actually cons of SN?

The cons are you could vomit the SN, since it's super salty. Also, it's kinda hard to get meto.

 

[these_days9]

I would suggest taking a look through this thread to start getting a sense of pros and cons from folks that have used it

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/members-attempting-with-sn-success-failure.22018/

I'm still fully on board with SN for myself but recognize it's not ideal for everyone. You're still going against what your body wants and so everyone's reactions can be different. I could see why what people hear from some failures makes it a scary option.

 

[k75]

The cons are you could vomit the SN, since it's super salty. Also, it's kinda hard to get meto.

It is very salty, but that is not why you vomit. You vomit because it's poison, and that's how your body reacts to being poisoned. It's trying to save itself by purging the bad stuff.

 

[Verklempt]

It is very salty, but that is not why you vomit. You vomit because it's poison, and that's how your body reacts to being poisoned. It's trying to save itself by purging the bad stuff.

Oh, you're right. I forgot about that

 

[Deathwish777]

Hiya, I am new.

I'm researching methods right now and read the three 'main ones on suicide wiki.

From hanging, falling and SN, the latter seems far more peacefully and a helluva lot less risky.

So why is it not the main choice for everyone?

I personally think that there is no 100% guaranteed method. Some people failed from firearm,N and etc. U just have to prepare well to minimize the risk of failure whatever method you are thinking of.

Hiya, I am new.

I'm researching methods right now and read the three 'main ones on suicide wiki.

From hanging, falling and SN, the latter seems far more peacefully and a helluva lot less risky.

So why is it not the main choice for everyone?

I personally think that there is no 100% guaranteed method. Some people failed from firearm,N and etc. U just have to prepare well to minimize the risk of failure whatever method you are thinking of. So

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

Well with SN there is the time... up to 20 minutes of knowing you are dying before you pass out... I think a lot of people really struggle with SI and Anxiety during that time and would call for help. No matter how committed a person thinks they are 20 minutes is a long time for survival instinct to completely take over. You can even see a few seconds of that SI in N videos. A few seconds , no problem, but 20 minutes... that is a lot of time for your mind to work against your plan.

Other cons as I see it are :

While there has been a lot of research in this recently, there is still a lot of unknowns. It seems with some people to much or to little can cause complications.

Some people throw up with pre-meds others succeed without them. Even when reading literature on the method the dosing has changed significantly over the years across many sources. If you do vomit you are either going to redose , wait and see what happens, or call for help If for any reason you do not succeed , you may or may not fully recover from it depending on how much SN is in your system and how quickly you are found. Most cases I have read on this site of survivors say they recovered fully or close.

discoloring of the body may be a disturbing sight for who ever finds the body

But the one that concerns me the most is that it effects the transport of both O2 and CO 2. It's the CO 2 that concerns me. How does it effect the transport of it? Because if your body is unable to expel CO 2 you would have the feeling of suffocation.

There are survivor stories on here , I havent seen anyone say they felt like they were suffocating. But still that is a concern for me, because SN has a different effect on each person, and we can not ask those who died from this method how peaceful it was.

I was really against this method when i first heard of it, now I think its probably pretty reliable if done correctly. With other methods there is a very common dose and pre med dose, and time frame as well as a complete understanding of how it works and how it feels. With SN no one can factor in the individual , and with SN it really seems to vary from person to person.

Even though I was skeptical at first, I have my SN kit tucked away just in case. If a person is truly committed to the method and prepared for unexpected side effects or vomiting I am pretty sure its success rate is close to certain.

Finaly, we can only take the word of those people who claim to have attempted and failed. We are putting our trust in a person we have never met who may be fabricating it all for either sadistic or pro-life intentions.

 

[Soul]

SN is my choice, unless some high-class opioids come my way. But it's kind of clunky, with all the pills in the protocol; kind of inelegant, with the vomiting and turning blue; and it's not clear enough for some people that it's a peaceful way to go.

Anyway different people want different things from our deaths, and different methods express various moods: anger, bitterness, despair, weariness, defiance, and so on.

 

[S1mpleme]

Let's explain you from experience. Recently I started to drink alcohol for the first time in my life. I have to force myself to drink it cause it tastes like shit and I have vomited few times. This is also poison and your body wants to get rid of it. Then I decided to get 192 proof instead 80, which means I have to drink less to get drunk and it's even harder to drink. That being said, even if SN is more painless method, you'll have to fight with yourself to take it.

 

[Alec]

Well with SN there is the time... up to 20 minutes of knowing you are dying before you pass out... I think a lot of people really struggle with SI and Anxiety during that time and would call for help. No matter how committed a person thinks they are 20 minutes is a long time for survival instinct to completely take over. You can even see a few seconds of that SI in N videos. A few seconds , no problem, but 20 minutes... that is a lot of time for your mind to work against your plan.

Other cons as I see it are :

While there has been a lot of research in this recently, there is still a lot of unknowns. It seems with some people to much or to little can cause complications.

Some people throw up with pre-meds others succeed without them. Even when reading literature on the method the dosing has changed significantly over the years across many sources. If you do vomit you are either going to redose , wait and see what happens, or call for help If for any reason you do not succeed , you may or may not fully recover from it depending on how much SN is in your system and how quickly you are found. Most cases I have read on this site of survivors say they recovered fully or close.

discoloring of the body may be a disturbing sight for who ever finds the body

But the one that concerns me the most is that it effects the transport of both O2 and CO 2. It's the CO 2 that concerns me. How does it effect the transport of it? Because if your body is unable to expel CO 2 you would have the feeling of suffocation.

There are survivor stories on here , I havent seen anyone say they felt like they were suffocating. But still that is a concern for me, because SN has a different effect on each person, and we can not ask those who died from this method how peaceful it was.

I was really against this method when i first heard of it, now I think its probably pretty reliable if done correctly. With other methods there is a very common dose and pre med dose, and time frame as well as a complete understanding of how it works and how it feels. With SN no one can factor in the individual , and with SN it really seems to vary from person to person.

Even though I was skeptical at first, I have my SN kit tucked away just in case. If a person is truly committed to the method and prepared for unexpected side effects or vomiting I am pretty sure its success rate is close to certain.

Finaly, we can only take the word of those people who claim to have attempted and failed. We are putting our trust in a person we have never met who may be fabricating it all for either sadistic or pro-life intentions.

I just wanted to say what I think about SN "killing" oxygen in our bodies. I thought about the same thing - that it will feel like I'm suffocating and that scares me too. But then I thought about it in another way, we feel suffocation because our lungs don't get fresh oxygen, that why we also feel pain in our lungs when we hold breath for too long(I'm not sure about this). So when SN kills oxygen it's different, because fresh oxygen still gets into our body but SN kills it in our blood, which means our body doesn't transport oxygen to every part of it which also means that brain does get oxygen. And that I think doesn't feel as painful and suffocating, because with SN it probably just feels like you are getting really sleepy and sleepier until you fall asleep and then die. And it seems that posts that describe how SN works also say that you will feel sleepy and fall asleep, so maybe that true and that's how it works. I also haven't seen anyone who attempted SN (some of them even passed out but survived for various reasons) say that it was painful like suffocating. But I'm not sure about any of this these are just my theories. I plan on taking SN too.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

I just wanted to say what I think about SN "killing" oxygen in our bodies. I thought about the same thing - that it will feel like I'm suffocating and that scares me too. But then I thought about it in another way, we feel suffocation because our lungs don't get fresh oxygen, that why we also feel pain in our lungs when we hold breath for too long(I'm not sure about this). So when SN kills oxygen it's different, because fresh oxygen still gets into our body but SN kills it in our blood, which means our body doesn't transport oxygen to every part of it which also means that brain does get oxygen. And that I think doesn't feel as painful and suffocating, because with SN it probably just feels like you are getting really sleepy and sleepier until you fall asleep and then die. And it seems that posts that describe how SN works also say that you will feel sleepy and fall asleep, so maybe that true and that's how it works. I also haven't seen anyone who attempted SN (some of them even passed out but survived for various reasons) say that it was painful like suffocating. But I'm not sure about any of this these are just my theories. I plan on taking SN too.

I think you are correct, i mean there are lots of methods that stop oxygen from getting to the brain. Im almost positive the suffocation feeling you get from holding your breath is not from lack of oxygen , but from not being able to exhale Carbon Dioxide.

My concern is its action on Carbon Dioxide rather than Oxygen. If it somehow binds Carbon Dioxide up, even if you are breathing in and out it still may feel like suffocation, but I really have no idea, I'm probably just scaring myself. There do not seem to be any reports of people who have failed saying they felt the feeling of suffocated. So I think if it does bind up Carbon Dioxide it is binding up Oxygen just as fast, which as you said would just make you really sleepy. I am hoping this is the case.

 

[k75]

In theory, hypoxia only fully sets in after you're unconscious. So if you feel any suffocation at all it should be pretty mild.

 

[Quarky00]

There is no suffocation with SN

Respiratory effort and brain functions continue almost until the end. I understand that "no oxygen" is linked to suffocation, but anyone interested in SN should read more :)

[EDIT] OP question: much more methods in resource page & discussion threads; SN actually appears to becoming main choice; others above explained e.g. hanging requires no purchasing, night-night quicker, don't want drinking chemicals, etc.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

In theory, hypoxia only fully sets in after you're unconscious. So if you feel any suffocation at all it should be pretty mild.

I think you're correct. I mean I have gone from being scared of this method to actually making it my method. My guess is if this was a true suffocation it would not be in the Pph. Whil

There is no suffocation with SN

Respiratory effort and brain functions continue almost until the end. I understand that "no oxygen" is linked to suffocation, but anyone interested in SN should read more :)

[EDIT] OP question: much more methods in resource page & discussion threads; SN actually appears to becoming main choice; others above explained e.g. hanging requires no purchasing, night-night quicker, don't want drinking chemicals, etc.

It's not the respiratory efforts I doubt. I totally understand that you continue to inhale and exhale, and that the loss of oxygen in the blood does not cause the feeling of suffocation. My question has been about the action on Carbon Dioxide that SN may or may not cause. My best guess is that if it does impair the bodies ability to get rid of carbon dioxide it would happen close to equal to the lack of oxygen intake so it may not be noticed

Again this red flag I have has nothing to do with the physical act of inhaling and exhaling. It is more about what action does SN play in Carbon Dioxide elimination.

I mean I am confident enough in the method to have gone from "No Way" to having aquired all the supplies needed, I just haven't really seen the action (if any) SN has on Carbon Dioxide (CO2). It would just be nice to have all the Data. I have searched for more info, and all I can find is that it does have an impact on the transport of (O2) as well as (CO2) in feral pigs but i can find no other info. So perhaps the action on (CO2) is directly and equaly proportional to its action on (O2) in which case there would not to seem to be a build up of (CO2). The last thing I would want is an abundance of CO2 in my blood, even while inhaling and exhaling it would be extremely uncomfortable.

 

[Quarky00]

My question has been about the action on Carbon Dioxide that SN may or may not cause. My best guess is that if it does impair the bodies ability to get rid of carbon dioxide it would happen close to equal to the lack of oxygen intake so it may not be noticed

Cells in body turn to anaerobic metabolism for a while and eventually die , after couple of hours .

The last thing I would want is an abundance of CO2 in my blood, even while inhaling and exhaling it would be extremely uncomfortable.

Shouldn't be, as it's not really a carbon dioxide issue , tissue death due to lack of oxygen (eventually organ failure). Hope that answers your question :)

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

Cells in body turn to anaerobic metabolism for a while and eventually die , after couple of hours . Not really a carbon dioxide issue , tissue death (eventually organ failure) due to lack of oxygen . Hope that answers your question :)

Thank you, so my best guess is this would likely feel like being suddenly anemic.

 

[Quarky00]

No probs

Note I haven't really answered question "what happens to CO2".

25% of CO2 carried by hemoglobin, rest circulates in plasma. SN causes circulatory disorder (blood flow to tissue) as well as blood cells destruction. There's probably too much CO2 in tissue itself, rather than blood.
* Anemic hypoxia -- unique to SN; unlike histotoxic (cyanide) or hypoxic (CO2) hypoxia.
* Hemolytic anemia -- blood "failure".

 

[Jean4]

Welcome. Here is the manual for SN. Everything you need to know. :)

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/stans-guide-to-sn.27535/

 

[Sideswipe]

I am an asthmatic whome has suffered hypoxia and when just about to pass out with slow dropping o2 levels it has always been painless. However when they have gone rapidly because my lungs won't expel air thus suffocating it is scary and painful.
To sum up; basically sn reduces o2 slowly. It does not affect your ability to inhale or exhale so it would be a sliw reduction of 02 saturation.

the effects of this would be compensated by breathing faster and increased heart rate. In the case of an asthmatic this stage is painless. Its a slow onset and you generally fall asleep before peri arrest (or intubation)

suffocation from swollen lungs is very different.

just my personal experience with low o2 sats. I ceel fine until i'm below 80% sats. Then I know i'm low as I start to involuntary yawn and feel light headed. Usually a paramedic is on scene soon after in my case. Also I have gotton used to low o2 so I cannot say it's the same for everyone but thats my experience. I pass out before being intubated and i'm at ease almost euphoric.

 

[Farmmaa]

SN doesn't appeal to everyone. We each have our own version of what we feel the best exit for ourselves will be.
For me, drinking poison isn't up there on my list of things to try.
I have a very difficult time drinking large amounts of anything gross and have a very active gag reflex - so I doubt I could keep it down.
I'm not at all into 'prepping' with drugs for days first .. drugs that can also have adverse reactions.

My method is easier, faster and was not difficult at all to purchase on DNM. I will be OD'ing on a F/RC combo that has proven itself to be deadly enough to have killed thousands of people every year.
Even so, there is always the fear that there's no way of knowing exactly how potent or cut your product is.

N would be the gold standard if you didn't have to drink so much of it - again, something I wouldn't be able to stomach

 

[Quarky00]

To sum up; basically sn reduces o2 slowly. It does not affect your ability to inhale or exhale so it would be a sliw reduction of 02 saturation.

Blood oxygen levels drop gradually over 30m , loss of consciousness occurs before .

That process is different than hypoxic hypoxia (no oxygen reaches blood) - which triggers reflexes and pain and causes damage rapidly . SN poisoning not considered "oxygen deprivation" or saturation problem but blood unable to carry it . "Bad blood" . Anemia .

This different path affects many things ... A person suffocated suffer some brain damage after 10m without oxygen ; SN lacks brain damage even after 1 hour .