Why is it that the bad people end up happier than the good people

[Charmander07]

I'm not gonna delve into my situation and I'm not claiming to be some holy saint that never does anything wrong. I regret my bad actions and I've changed them for the better, why am I the one who's planning to attempt in a few weeks. Why is it that the evil people who lie and manipulate others get to be happy and not suffer from their actions. This makes me really wish there is a heaven and hell, I know I wouldn't be in heaven but some people definitely don't, sometimes I wish that the death note was real for this simple purpose

 

[hurb]

Thats where the concept of heaven and hell came from. Just people irritated that worse people have it better than them. News flash there is probably no afterlife no nothing.
Life doesnt care about morals and what not we are just a small piece of a dust in a huge universe. U could argue the concept of good and evil mean nothing in the bigger scheme of things.
The less self awareness people tend to have the happier they are

 

[aufrechtm7]

"Bad" people can end up happier than "good" people because they're willing to exploit other people to satisfy their goals which sometimes lead to happiness.

Also this isn't super relevant, but the point of Death Note wasn't to paint Light as a good person. He was morally bankrupt before he got the death note and just wanted to enact pain and suffering on others and show off his god complex.

 

[Charmander07]

Thats where the concept of heaven and hell came from. Just people irritated that worse people have it better than them. News flash there is probably no afterlife no nothing.
Life doesnt care about morals and what not we are just a small piece of a dust in a huge universe. U could argue the concept of good and evil mean nothing in the bigger scheme of things.
The less self awareness people tend to have the happier they are

I hate how unfair this world is, I really wish justice could happen to these people, but it never will

 

[hurb]

"Bad" people can end up happier than "good" people because they're willing to exploit other people to satisfy their goals which sometimes lead to happiness.

Also this isn't super relevant, but the point of Death Note wasn't to paint Light as a good person. He was morally bankrupt before he got the death note and just wanted to enact pain and suffering on others and show off his god complex.

I mean he was extremely dumb. If he killed the evil leaders instead of people that steal shit and what not. He might have fixed the world lol

 

[Charmander07]

"Bad" people can end up happier than "good" people because they're willing to exploit other people to satisfy their goals which sometimes lead to happiness.

Also this isn't super relevant, but the point of Death Note wasn't to paint Light as a good person. He was morally bankrupt before he got the death note and just wanted to enact pain and suffering on others and show off his god complex.

omg I'm so happy someone here has watched death note I wasn't expecting that . But I just don't get how someone can like lie to someone and manipulate them in doing so, and like not feel remorse or at least apologise for their actions. I hate people im ngl, and tbh I feel like I'm a part of that

 

[ineedssris]

this is something i've always thought about. why should i be the one to suffer while the people who hurt me get to succeed and are so much happier than me? i hope your situation gets better and that you become happier and that you are able to succeed in life. please do not attempt to ctb. :(
i know it may seem like the only solution but i promise that it is not. if you ever need to talk feel free to shoot me a message.

 

[Charmander07]

I mean he was extremely dumb. If he killed the evil leaders instead of people that steal shit and what not. He might have fixed the world lol

If I had the death note I would take the eye deal straight away and just go on a rampage on evil people. Not thieves, I don't necessarily think they're evil

this is something i've always thought about. why should i be the one to suffer while the people who hurt me get to succeed and are so much happier than me? i hope your situation gets better and that you become happier and that you are able to succeed in life. please do not attempt to ctb. :(
i know it may seem like the only solution but i promise that it is not. if you ever need to talk feel free to shoot me a message.

I mean I've already planned it and everything, thank you for the message it would be nice to talk to someone (tho I don't exactly know how to DM here). It's just horrible that like the people that lied to me are just happy living their lives, I've moved on from them specifically but it's put a really salty taste in my mouth and I feel like people in general are horrible

 

[aufrechtm7]

I mean he was extremely dumb. If he killed the evil leaders instead of people that steal shit and what not. He might have fixed the world lol

I don't think Light was always dumb but he definitely made some serious blunders, the story suffered immensely from a contrived plot (yes even the manga since people hate the anime). Killing only leaders would've plunged entire countries into chaos, Fullmetal Alchemist (NOT Brotherhood) is my favorite anime and we actually see the direct consequence of something like that happening on a smaller scale.

 

[vanillabug333]

I'm not gonna delve into my situation and I'm not claiming to be some holy saint that never does anything wrong. I regret my bad actions and I've changed them for the better, why am I the one who's planning to attempt in a few weeks. Why is it that the evil people who lie and manipulate others get to be happy and not suffer from their actions. This makes me really wish there is a heaven and hell, I know I wouldn't be in heaven but some people definitely don't, sometimes I wish that the death note was real for this simple purpose

Trust me I understand. This is a big factor in why I'm about to ctb

 

[Charmander07]

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I don't think Light was always dumb but he definitely made some serious blunders, the story suffered immensely from a contrived plot (yes even the manga since people hate the anime). Killing only leaders would've plunged entire countries into chaos, Fullmetal Alchemist (NOT Brotherhood) is my favorite anime and we actually see the direct consequence of something like that happening on a smaller scale.

Ivr always wanted to watch FMA is it good, but yeah it was Lights ego that got him done. If he just stuck to ONLY killing criminals he probably never would have been caught

Trust me I understand. This is a big factor in why I'm about to ctb

Aww I'm sorry you feel the same way, I hope you get to feel at peace, no matter what you end up doing

 

[iamveryoriginal]

I mean he was extremely dumb. If he killed the evil leaders instead of people that steal shit and what not. He might have fixed the world lol

you could argue the underlying cause behind bad people getting into positions of power is with the pre existing social structures and ending a few specific people wouldn't actually accomplish much

 

[raybd]

If we take your question as a whole, without parsing it, there remains only one thing to note: what makes people happy varies. Good people have more rules and therefore fewer chances at what makes them happy. Most bad people have fewer restrictions on what makes them happy. This is generalizing widely. And many exceptions exist: Good people committed to simple lives - monk-like asceticism for instance, are happy with simple pleasures - there is a whole nation called Bhutan devoted to that culture - been there and seen their world-view in person. Unlike their Himalayan neighbors in Nepal and elsewhere, they are not keen to join the Web, AI age. Bad people can also be megalomaniacs and never have enough though they have more chances at happiness as they filter less.
All in all, as a professional philosopher (who then moved to science... where it confluences with philosophy and history), I can say, happiness or entitlement to it are not good questions to answer like "What is the boiling point of water?"
It's best if you stipulate what makes your own life happy at this point of time and decide whether your life is happy and if not, is happiness an unreachable state for you... and decide whatever you need to do in life.

Also, this whole concept of the good being rewarded and the bad punished simultaneously and people getting disappointed at not seeing that in daily life - has a very western, Judeo-Christian, Hollywood-ish fount. There are plenty of cultures and faiths in the world, where you are expected to be simply good because it is the right state to be in, unquestioningly. Meaning, you worry only about your being good and doing good and not about whether you get rewarded or the evil get penalized. Certain Desert Father teachings and Eastern orthodox teachings that refer to life-balance come to mind as well as extensive Hindu and Buddhist teachings in a similar vein. If I am not mistaken, Zoroastrianism too has some such teachings along with other eastern faiths past and present. A comparative religionist might possibly give an endless list.

 

[Charmander07]

If we take your question as a whole, without parsing it, there remains only one thing to note: what makes people happy varies. Good people have more rules and therefore fewer chances at what makes them happy. Most bad people have fewer restrictions on what makes them happy. This is generalizing widely. And many exceptions exist: Good people committed to simple lives - monk-like asceticism for instance, are happy with simple pleasures - there is a whole nation called Bhutan devoted to that culture - been there and seen their world-view in person. Unlike their Himalayan neighbors in Nepal and elsewhere, they are not keen to join the Web, AI age. Bad people can also be megalomaniacs and never have enough though they have more chances at happiness as they filter less.
All in all, as a professional philosopher (who then moved to science... where it confluences with philosophy and history), I can say, happiness or entitlement to it are not good questions to answer like "What is the boiling point of water?"
It's best if you stipulate what makes your own life happy at this point of time and decide whether your life is happy and if not, is happiness an unreachable state for you... and decide whatever you need to do in life.

I mean the reason I'm feeling this way is cause of those people who don't care about morals, I just wish that karma was like a true thing in this universe instead of some stupid phrase that people say

 

[aufrechtm7]

omg I'm so happy someone here has watched death note I wasn't expecting that . But I just don't get how someone can like lie to someone and manipulate them in doing so, and like not feel remorse or at least apologise for their actions. I hate people im ngl, and tbh I feel like I'm a part of that

There's a ton of cruel and messed up people in our society and many ideologies and institutions encourage and support the behavior, it's frustrating and sad and it's why I don't blame nihilists for seeing the world the way they do. It's why characters like Light, Walter White, Tony Soprano, Johan Liebert, etc. can be sympathized with.

Ive always wanted to watch FMA is it good, but yeah it was Lights ego that got him done. If he just stuck to ONLY killing criminals he probably never would have been caught

I don't mean to derail the thread with anime discussion so I'll stop if you ask me to…but yes. I rewatched it again very recently and it still holds up. It's very thought provoking and made me think about my decision to ctb a lot more seriously because it explores topics like this and more.

 

[Charmander07]

There's a ton of cruel and messed up people in our society and many ideologies and institutions encourage and support the behavior, it's frustrating and sad and it's why I don't blame nihilists for seeing the world the way they do. It's why characters like Light, Walter White, Tony Soprano, Johan Liebert, etc. can be sympathized with.

I just wish humanity doesn't exist ngl. But those characters you mentioned it's weird cause I do understand why they did what they did despite them being evil, the same goes for even the worst crimes ever. Like is murder actually wrong? You can't rlly answer it cause context matters, you can understand why most murderers murder, doesn't always make it right. I just wish humans could either all perish or at least those who use others and lie I feel like they're the two worst things a human can do. Any bad crime you can think of can come down to those twovthings

I don't mean to derail the thread with anime discussion so I'll stop if you ask me to…but yes. I rewatched it again very recently and it still holds up. It's very thought provoking and made me think about my decision to ctb a lot more seriously because it explores topics like this and more.

Don't worry about it, maybe I'll give it a watch before I attempt, I feel like I just want to do everything I can before I go ngl

 

[aufrechtm7]

I just wish humanity doesn't exist ngl. But those characters you mentioned it's weird cause I do understand why they did what they did despite them being evil, the same goes for even the worst crimes ever. Like is murder actually wrong? You can't rlly answer it cause context matters, you can understand why most murderers murder, doesn't always make it right. I just wish humans could either all perish or at least those who use others and lie I feel like they're the two worst things a human can do. Any bad crime you can think of can come down to those twovthings

Don't worry about it, maybe I'll give it a watch before I attempt, I feel like I just want to do everything I can before I go ngl

I don't blame you for thinking that. You hit the nail on the head with that, morality is extremely complex and NOBODY has a perfect understanding of it. Even religious people who have entire books telling them what is moral and what isn't don't have accurate senses of morality—that should tell you a lot about it as a concept.

I plan on rewatching Brotherhood at least to see if there's another outlook on life I can find. It seems cringe or childish to get worldviews from something as simple as anime, but idm.

 

[raybd]

I mean the reason I'm feeling this way is cause of those people who don't care about morals, I just wish that karma was like a true thing in this universe instead of some stupid phrase that people say

See if we go to the root of the karma discussion, that too will not help you - as karma works on instant retribution only in Hollywood or a football match. In Hindu and related faith teachings karma is supposed to accumulate over the ages, over births and only accounted for finally. They have this notion of "praarabda karma" to explain why temporarily the bad get good things and so vice versa... usually the explanation is, "The good who suffer in this birth were acute sinners in a previous birth and the gods keep account of the soul not the body which is shed like clothes from birth to birth. Similarly, the evil who enjoy good things in the birth were good in an earlier birth or their forbears where - much like the evil heirs of a billionaire. The promise of karma is that it will all catch up. The good will ultimately attain release from the cycle of birth and death. Their souls will be free. While the evil will keep returning to more and more wretched births and lives."
The different dharmic faiths call this moksha, nirvana and so on.
Ultimately, all religions are about saving the soul, not the body.
So, you aren't going to get answers for the counterintuitive observations "Good people suffer, bad people enjoy" - all of us see within any religious framework - they only reconcile accounts in the hereafter. So, your choices: a) Believe in the wisdom of your faith and the god/gods of your faith that the evil will be reckoned with in the hereafter and go on being good in life or b) Concede that it is not possible to reconcile retribution for evil with daily experience and still choose the higher road in life - saint-like or c) Go full-on hedonist, don't pretend or attempt goodliness - just enjoy every which way - Sheriff Brown might come for you one day or he may not too - for many a villain has sat in the Oval office...

 

[Charmander07]

I don't blame you for thinking that. You hit the nail on the head with that, morality is extremely complex and NOBODY has a perfect understanding of it. Even religious people who have entire books telling them what is moral and what isn't don't have accurate senses of morality—that should tell you a lot about it as a concept.

I plan on rewatching Brotherhood at least to see if there's another outlook on life I can find. It seems cringe or childish to get worldviews from something as simple as anime, but idm.

yeah I wish life could be so much more simpler, also my ex watched brotherhood and said it was much better so defo give it a try. And it's not childish or cringe to be like that, I got most of my morals from anime and other sources of media

See if we go to the root of the karma discussion, that too will not help you - as karma works on instant retribution only in Hollywood or a football match. In Hindu and related faith teachings karma is supposed to accumulate over the ages, over births and only accounted for finally. They have this notion of "praarabda karma" to explain why temporarily the bad get good things and so vice versa... usually the explanation is, "The good who suffer in this birth were acute sinners in a previous birth and the gods keep account of the soul not the body which is shed like clothes from birth to birth. Similarly, the evil who enjoy good things in the birth were good in an earlier birth or their forbears where - much like the evil heirs of a billionaire. The promise of karma is that it will all catch up. The good will ultimately attain release from the cycle of birth and death. Their souls will be free. While the evil will keep returning to more and more wretched births and lives."
The different dharmic faiths call this moksha, nirvana and so on.
Ultimately, all religions are about saving the soul, not the body.
So, you aren't going to get answers for the counterintuitive observations "Good people suffer, bad people enjoy" - all of us see within any religious framework - they only reconcile accounts in the hereafter. So, your choices: a) Believe in the wisdom of your faith and the god/gods of your faith that the evil will be reckoned with in the hereafter and go on being good in life or b) Concede that it is not possible to reconcile retribution for evil with daily experience and still choose the higher road in life - saint-like or c) Go full-on hedonist, don't pretend or attempt goodliness - just enjoy every which way - Sheriff Brown might come for you one day or he may not too - for many a villain has sat in the Oval office...

Yeah I really hope there is an afterlife where people are judged based on their actions 'that would make everything fair to me' but yeah thank you for the reply