Venting why is everyone so woke nowadays... just why

[RoadToGehenna]

Look, I think OP said something a little bit silly but that he wasn't hugely committed to, and he was mostly just saying he was nostalgic without being hugely concerned about "wokeism".

On the other hand:


What are you even talking about?

For starters, the idea that every media outlet pushes the same agenda is transparently nonsense to anyone familiar with the media. There's huge variety of views expressed, sometimes even within one outlet (look at the variety of views found in papers like the New York Times or the Independent for instance, which tend to span from "wet" social democrats to neocons and One-Nation types). You can find everything from newswire services like Reuters and AP, to communist outlets like Morning Star and Jacobin, to deeply conservative outlets like Fox News and the Daily Mail, to stuff that's hard to characterise like the Epoch Times and Al Jazeera. It's hard to seriously make the case that conservative viewpoints are being silenced in the mainstream media - if anything, it seems like conservative viewpoints are more common.

But also... how does this make 99% of TV, games, and especially sport "ruined"? There just doesn't seem to be any connection there. Normal people would view that as a completely insane statement. If you enjoy getting angry because the sports leagues aren't racially segregated any more then hey, who am I to take away your fun? But idk, maybe you'd enjoy it even more if instead of seeing the woke monster everywhere, you tried enjoying things?

You are delusional if you don't see that most of mainstream media (most of the time subsidized) is, not even left-wing, but owned by progressive elites and obsessed with "the message". Yes, only one narrative is "valid". Some call it neoliberal degeneracy and others cultural marxism or wokeness. And yes, it is shoved down in all western countries and in all forms of media. I can describe it for you but it is easy to see. It's basically endophobia, divide and conquer, just despise everything that western culture stands for and shit on its History and its people. And now imagine why some people get mad at it, duh. It's a huge part of the current modern alienation, maximized by technology and loliness. Ironic, at the very least. Hopefully, this narrative is shifting and other interests are at play. Hey, you can believe whatever you want but don't be so blind as to why some people might have nostalgia from thd 2000s, where there was more freedom of speech and people could afford to have a normal rent and a normal life in most cases

 

[suicidaltransgirl]

The good news is we have the internet, X, plus of course there plenty of uncorrupted media from the past too enjoy (at least until they figure out how to erase that part of history too). Plus there's nature to enjoy, I mean the entirety of biological science in almost every animal completely debunks their agenda, so they must really hate the outdoors!

I think you're pretty delusional. The reasons why institutions and corporations have adopted "wokesim" has nothing to do with powerful "leftist globalists" behind the scenes controlling them and pushing their agenda. They are simply profiting from it. They don't hold any political positions, other than trying to increase profits. This disingenuous "wokeness" is not a problem with the left, it's a problem with capitalism.

In reality the average person is empathetic and appreciates the recent progress in terms of lgbt rights and rights/representation for minorities. The fact that you think it's the silent majority who shares your beliefs but are too afraid to speak up is delusional. You are a tiny minority, who are very vocal in online spaces, and as years pass there will be less and less people like you, it's just the natural order of things. It's the same good forces in people that drove away slavery, segregation and the criminalization of homosexuality that are now pushing for trans rights and equality for people of color. It just feels better for you to cope by thinking there's a woke mind virus "infecting" people, rather than admitting that you're less empathetic than the average person, and accepting that wider society is embracing these changes.

 

[pyx]

heck yeah progressivism! i heckin love science and progress bro! gorging updoots as we speak

unironically saying woke though is probably more embarrassing

 

[Chinaski]

You don't think it's dangerous to bully everyone to have the same opinion, to silence dissent, every media outlet to push the same agenda, even these options and messages are typically the complete opposite of reality or at least severely flawed?

Would broadly agree with this point given this is how l would describe the western media spending an entire year providing universal cover for an actual genocide, however I'd not lend it equal weight for privileged people who feel their own petty bigotries are not sufficiently indulged on social media platforms

 

[dune_dweller]

It's a meaningless term at this point that is mainly used by those who have biases against marginalized groups but are in denial of it.

And DEI is the new replacement buzzword, apparently.

They hear someone use a new term, and then adopt it and sling it around because they can't come up with anything original; even their grievances aren't original.

They are all told what to think, while simultaneously considering themselves free-thinkers.

 

[willow115]

Tech and hours of content exposure. we take in programming all day.

 

[Unspoken7612]

You are delusional if you don't see that most of mainstream media (most of the time subsidized) is, not even left-wing, but owned by progressive elites and obsessed with "the message". Yes, only one narrative is "valid". Some call it neoliberal degeneracy and others cultural marxism or wokeness. And yes, it is shoved down in all western countries and in all forms of media. I can describe it for you but it is easy to see. It's basically endophobia, divide and conquer, just despise everything that western culture stands for and shit on its History and its people. And now imagine why some people get mad at it, duh. It's a huge part of the current modern alienation, maximized by technology and loliness. Ironic, at the very least. Hopefully, this narrative is shifting and other interests are at play. Hey, you can believe whatever you want but don't be so blind as to why some people might have nostalgia from thd 2000s, where there was more freedom of speech and people could afford to have a normal rent and a normal life in most cases

So you, who despises all Western culture, are trying to convince me that Western culture actually hates Western culture? Yeah OK bro.

This disingenuous "wokeness" is not a problem with the left, it's a problem with capitalism.

It isn't a problem with capitalism, it's an advantage of capitalism.

 

[Just_Another_Person]

I swear, one of these days someone will post "how great slavery was"


@Unspoken7612 Thanks again for trying to enlighten some people, your words are wise.

 

[RoadToGehenna]

So you, who despises all Western culture, are trying to convince me that Western culture actually hates Western culture? Yeah OK bro.

It isn't a problem with capitalism, it's an advantage of capitalism.

What? Where did you come to that conclusion? Lmao... I just stated the obvious and you even agree and support it. Yes, most of the western capitalist system pushes by all means that self-loathing message. You see it as an advantage, it seems. You must think that Google, for example, cares so much about your rights or something xd

Come on, don't be disingenuous. You can be woke, it's fine. Just be respectful with those who think otherwise and want their History and traditions to be left alone. Tbh, I don't even think that Western culture is a real thing. I'm European and there's certainly more nuance to it. If anything, it's this kind of perverse narratives that is giving more power to this unifying block of thoughts and cultures.

 

[Abyssal]

Hard thread to read. OP was clearly in pain and it had nothing to do with the topic. I hope they are doing better.

 

[Unspoken7612]

What? Where did you come to that conclusion? Lmao... I just stated the obvious and you even agree and support it.

No I don't? Your views aren't "stating the obvious", they have almost no resemblance to reality at all.

I think businesses putting up Pride flags is a good thing, but that's very different to what you're complaining about. I think Marvel having some films that don't star white men is a good thing, but again that's not what you're complaining about. You're saying that 99% of film, TV, and sport is ruined, that the media landscape is homogenous, and that everyone wants white people to hate themselves. If that's not the point you're trying to make then you're not making your point very well.

Like, seriously, you claim 99% of sport is ruined. How has football been ruined? Cricket? Rugby? What are the actual problems that you blame on "the woke" in those sports?

Yes, most of the western capitalist system pushes by all means that self-loathing message. You see it as an advantage, it seems. You must think that Google, for example, cares so much about your rights or something xd

Come on, don't be disingenuous. You can be woke, it's fine. Just be respectful with those who think otherwise and want their History and traditions to be left alone. Tbh, I don't even think that Western culture is a real thing. I'm European and there's certainly more nuance to it. If anything, it's this kind of perverse narratives that is giving more power to this unifying block of thoughts and cultures.

There is literally no part of the Western capitalist system that pushes "that self-loathing message".

As far as I can tell, our history and traditions are being "left alone". Nobody is demolishing Stonehenge or pretending the Romans didn't exist. Could you give an example of what you mean?

I respect people, in terms of thinking they have a right to be alive. I respect reasonable, intelligent viewpoints, even when I might disagree with them on balance. I don't respect stupid views. For instance, I respect that my mother enjoys weaving, even though I don't, because it's perfectly reasonable to enjoy weaving, but I don't respect that she believes in homeopathy, because homeopathy is stupid. If someone says something that is obviously stupid then I'm not going to just "respect their belief". (I myself have a great many unorthodox views - aside from my extremely liberal position on suicide, I also think corporation tax should be dramatically reduced or eliminated, immigration should be dramatically liberalised, hormone therapy should be available to any adult that signs a waiver, unions need to be heavily regulated to prevent them abusing monopoly power, and ketamine should be sold over-the-counter. These are all fringe positions that the mainstream would ridicule; I understand why and respectfully disagree. I cannot simply do that when someone complains hyperbolically about "woke" destroying history and culture and sport.)

I do agree that there is not really such thing as "Western culture". There are Western cultures, but "the West" is not a coherent thing, just a useful shorthand.

If you want to just watch TV from 20 years ago, or with white male leads and no same-sex relationships, then I don't care. You're missing out, but it is your life. I do care when you complain that all modern TV is "ruined because gay" or whatever. That's not "live and let live", that's "my way or the highway".

 

[RoadToGehenna]

No I don't? Your views aren't "stating the obvious", they have almost no resemblance to reality at all.

I think businesses putting up Pride flags is a good thing, but that's very different to what you're complaining about. I think Marvel having some films that don't star white men is a good thing, but again that's not what you're complaining about. You're saying that 99% of film, TV, and sport is ruined, that the media landscape is homogenous, and that everyone wants white people to hate themselves. If that's not the point you're trying to make then you're not making your point very well.

Like, seriously, you claim 99% of sport is ruined. How has football been ruined? Cricket? Rugby? What are the actual problems that you blame on "the woke" in those sports?

There is literally no part of the Western capitalist system that pushes "that self-loathing message".

As far as I can tell, our history and traditions are being "left alone". Nobody is demolishing Stonehenge or pretending the Romans didn't exist. Could you give an example of what you mean?

I respect people, in terms of thinking they have a right to be alive. I respect reasonable, intelligent viewpoints, even when I might disagree with them on balance. I don't respect stupid views. For instance, I respect that my mother enjoys weaving, even though I don't, because it's perfectly reasonable to enjoy weaving, but I don't respect that she believes in homeopathy, because homeopathy is stupid. If someone says something that is obviously stupid then I'm not going to just "respect their belief". (I myself have a great many unorthodox views - aside from my extremely liberal position on suicide, I also think corporation tax should be dramatically reduced or eliminated, immigration should be dramatically liberalised, hormone therapy should be available to any adult that signs a waiver, unions need to be heavily regulated to prevent them abusing monopoly power, and ketamine should be sold over-the-counter. These are all fringe positions that the mainstream would ridicule; I understand why and respectfully disagree. I cannot simply do that when someone complains hyperbolically about "woke" destroying history and culture and sport.)

I do agree that there is not really such thing as "Western culture". There are Western cultures, but "the West" is not a coherent thing, just a useful shorthand.

If you want to just watch TV from 20 years ago, or with white male leads and no same-sex relationships, then I don't care. You're missing out, but it is your life. I do care when you complain that all modern TV is "ruined because gay" or whatever. That's not "live and let live", that's "my way or the highway".

Sorry, it's late, but when did I say that 99% of sports is ruined by wokeness? Btw, is cricket considered a sport? xD
I just said that MOST mainstream (government) media, and big companies for that matter, push that narrative since around 8 years ago. That's it. You might disagree, it's an observation that normal people from all the sides of the political spectrum can agree with. You can consider it stupid, I don't really care either. It doesn't make it go away.

See, no one is complaining hyperbolically about a wokeness apocalypse. But yes, when they destroy monuments or statues of "opressors" or paintings due to climate change, when they create a supposedly "historically-accurate" long awaited japanese game with a made up black samurai killing civilians with hip-hop music blasting (xDD), when they "positively" discriminate in terms of laws or opportunities by reason of sex, race, orientation or whatever made-up reason due to alleged social justice or "privileges", when christianity is the only religion mocked (I'm an atheist), when nuclear energy is discarded because it is not progressive (despite being the most clean and efficient form of energy in most cases), when inmigration is unregulated because that's not a cool topic either (ask actual left-wing countries), etc. When those things happen, and I gave you some examples, the driving narrative behind is what we call woke or whatever you want to call it. It seems that your problem is the way that they are addressed rather than the actual situations. The only stupidity here is discussing semanticsas a way of dismissing them. SJW, wokeness, DEI, cultural marxism, you can choose. They all have that self-loathing, dividing message. You were able to aknowledge that The West is just an useful shorthard for a much complex set of cultures and civilizations that DO exist. Wokeness is also a wide term with a similar utility.

I'm free to complain. Your view of "live and let live" is childish, no offense, from the perspective of someone that also sympathises with classic liberalism ethics. I can complain about all of these things the same way you can argue about your unorthodox opinions. I'm not enforcing anything on anyone. You are just pissed, that's about it. It's not good faith to be a reductionist and just say that whoever complains about woke just doesn't like gay people, women or whatever. I couldn't care less, trust me, I just hate myself and that's about it lol. I care about being told what to do or think, maybe that's not so stupid.

 

[mango-meridian]

Hard thread to read. OP was clearly in pain and it had nothing to do with the topic. I hope they are doing better.

All I really remember is laughing my ass off over an unexpected mention of Hungry Hungry Hippos

 

[Myforevercharlie]

Stay on topic please

 

[nattys5thtoenail]

Erm first of all, this is a suicide forum. Go to off topic if you want to discuss this.

Also I'm sorry that it's not socially acceptable to call minorities slurs anymore, you're free to do that on 4chan anytime you want.

 

[Chinaski]

Stay on topic please

Yes because it's absolutely vital that reactionary political positions and tedious personal bigotries are given due care and attention on this forum for the umpteenth time

 

[sevennn]

what are you guys even on about

 

[pyx]

Stay on topic please

no topic at all really, was posted in the suicide section, clearly misplaced invectives from the part of everyone in this thread

Yes because it's absolutely vital that reactionary political positions and tedious personal bigotries are given due care and attention on this forum for the umpteenth time

lol at this, OP's post wasn't even cogent anti-wokeposting, you all just made the connection in your minds to the typical conservitard masticating Trumpean cum on X

you lot all froth at the mouth each time the four-letter-word is mentioned, it's unreal. at least there's genuine hatred in rightoid-posting, which is interesting but largely ineffectual; libtards all get ensnared within the same meaningless dialectic, it's just parodical at this point, you're all clueless and honestly i don't see how people here can do anything but larp when outside of the sphere of serious suicide discussion and forum games