Venting Why is 19 considered too young for suicide?

[hunter_lewis]

Thanks for your permission:)

you don't need my permission, you are a free person.
Let us free ourselves from our misery

 

[Philip]

I'm 15, and I believe everyone should have the right to ctb. Age doesn't matter. Reasons doesn't matter.
Every reason is a (valid) reason. Every individual is different. Things that are nothing for one are everything for another.
It's everyones own decision, which is inviolable.
Everyone has the right to stop it when the suffering is unendurable.

Perfectly said.....

 

[MsM3talGamer]

This is a tough one, because I would never encourage anyone to CTB. But I do believe you have the right to choose.

I can add that from my personal experience, I am now 54 years old. I tried to kill myself 4 times as an adolescent. Then as an adult I went out into the world and lived a relatively normal (but never happy) life for about 32 years.

But every day of all those 32 years I wished I had killed myself when I was 13 years old.

Now I am 54 years old and in worse pain than I was as an adolescent. Now I am mourning a wasted life.

I don't believe life is easy for anyone, even the people who look like they have everything. For damaged people (like me) it can be horrible and tortuous.

Oh, and I HATE platitudes! Such bull@#$&!!!!!!

I wish you luck and peace with whatever you decide to do.

"Now I am mourning a wasted life". You hit the nail on the head.

 

[weedoge]

I think this hits the nail on its head, many people simply assume that just because we are young, we are choosing to commit suicide for some irrational reasons. But until one gets to know that person or walk a mile in his shoes, one shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

I get that too at 17. I suppose most other people find it sad when younger people try to ctb because they havent experienced enough of the good sides of life. Such as love or certain achievements.
It's not easy, considering what could've happend in the past.

i think it depends...eg if you are and 19 and suffer from an uncureable chronic disease i think 19 is not too young

if you are 19 and want to ctb bc you struggle at school/college/relationships i think you should think again bc a lot of "problems" get indeed better with time and are not as bad/dramatic as a lot of young people perceive them to be..

There are lots of good points of view here, it's nice not to hear dissenting opinions "pro-death'd" immediately because I understand its a sensitive topic.

One the one hand, I think out of respect for the intelligence of others, a persons decision and reasoning should never be directly questioned. This is rude and invalidating and can actually encourage the more mentally ill suicidal people react badly to this questioning.

I think that "any reason is a good reason" is a very interesting and enticing statement, I'd be very interested to heard a debate on this statement alone because it seems we all make assumptions based on it yet when emotions are involved we know it is different.

Going back to the OP I would say... I think the mental health system needs a change yes, I think we should stop denouncing suicide also yes, but I want the right-to-die for all to be taken very seriously by the whole world and so a lot of thinking and care is required.

Its certainly hard to come to a real moral belief/answer because each individuals moral opinions are likely affected and moulded by their beliefs on things such as after-death (reincarnation, metaphysical, or nothing at all). Personally I think we should only base our morals on what we *know* rather than so we can assume that each life only has one chance to be alive. Therefore it's not bad to have a young person understand these facts before resolving to "allow" them to take action.

I strictly believe being pro-choice is a spectrum and for any people of opposing opinions on this subject I think there is a lot of specifics and details that need resolving before any opinion can be deemed more than just an opinion. None of us here are wrong for either belief, imho, and people who want to die enough to do it by their own violition absolutely have every right to do it regardless of if I'm happy with it, but people also have the right to sort of shout "hey, come down for that ledge, just chat with me first and then if you feel the same I'll help you back up myself". (I'm tired sorry)

 

[Comatose11]

Jealousy. A lot of older folks can't stand it when the younger generation has it easier than they did. If they had to suffer for all these years, then you should have to suffer as well!

 

[weedoge]

Jealousy. A lot of older folks can't stand it when the younger generation has it easier than they did. If they had to suffer for all these years, then you should have to suffer as well!

I don't believe this is true at all, even if it would fit, I don't think people say "oh my god this site is for child ctb?" Out of jealousy, more out of confusion and inability to process as @Crest33 quite nicely put it.

I don't ever think its jealousy, most who are still alive are still questioning their own decision to ctb and having very complex feelings regarding very "deep" subjects, trying to come to terms with certain things before they leave. I think few people have the time to be jealous of anonymous young people attempting to die.

 

[Philip]

I agree with the statement any reason is a good reason because we all have different brains......don't think it's right to question someone's reason because we are not inside their brain. As long as you don't hurt anyone else on your way out.....no problem with any one ctb at any age.

 

[Comatose11]

I don't believe this is true at all, even if it would fit, I don't think people say "oh my god this site is for child ctb?" Out of jealousy, more out of confusion and inability to process as @Crest33 quite nicely put it.

I don't ever think its jealousy, most who are still alive are still questioning their own decision to ctb and having very complex feelings regarding very "deep" subjects, trying to come to terms with certain things before they leave. I think few people have the time to be jealous of anonymous young people attempting to die.

I still think it might be a possible explanation at least for some people. Many older folks get all worked up about people not going through the hardships they did.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

@weedoge

I think that "any reason is a good reason" is a very interesting and enticing statement, I'd be very interested to heard a debate on this statement alone because it seems we all make assumptions based on it yet when emotions are involved we know it is different.

one example:

cocaine withdrawal comes with suicidal thoughts/suicides bc obviously your brain/dopamin system is fucked for a while. however this thoughts disappear in general once the dopamin system adapts and recover again


if a person now ctb under this condition over nothing do you really think that is a good reason?

i dont deny that suffering is highly subjective and thus the decision must be subjective aswell but still...its not that easy

 

[TheFinal]

"Your life will get better". It didn't.

 

[Xerxes]

Having a crappy life doesn't discriminate and neither does death. These are the same people that walks up a quadriplegic and tells them, "Don't worry, you'll be able to walk again." or "maybe you'll be able to get those bionic legs". They live life thinking the world is all peachy and spread their infectious bubbly attitudes to everything without tact or thinking about what they say.

 

[weedoge]

@weedoge



one example:

cocaine withdrawal comes with suicidal thoughts/suicides bc obviously your brain/dopamin system is fucked for a while. however this thoughts disappear in general once the dopamin system adapts and recover again


if a person now ctb under this condition over nothing do you really think that is a good reason?

i dont deny that suffering is highly subjective and thus the decision must be subjective aswell but still...its not that easy

I think its more complex. A person either believes they can't get better or its not worth the effort, somebody should not be forced to do something they do not wish, even entering recovery. But a person may also believe some things cannot change falsely. We should be able to respect both of these things at the same time.

I think the general unspoken opinion is that it is demeaning to question someone who is suffering such a way and even disrespectful. I'm sure there is a middle ground where we come from a place of compassion and don't force people to listen to or do anything, but we can respectfully take an approach that values a person coming to the correct decision and helping them to decide rationally in the face of intense emotions. I'm not implying the correct decision is anything more than an individual choice either.

To address your hypothetical situation, I can only speak anecdotally and say that I have had some drug issues in the past, and even currently, for many people these things don't just last for a few years but decades or longer, mental effects can be permanent and debilitating, but they also may not be. Every case is different. Edit: and I also agree, its not easy at all.

 

[weedoge]

Having a crappy life doesn't discriminate and neither does death. These are the same people that walks up a quadriplegic and tells them, "Don't worry, you'll be able to walk again." or "maybe you'll be able to get those bionic legs". They live life thinking the world is all peachy and spread their infectious bubbly attitudes to everything without tact or thinking about what they say.

You see I do have a potentially gatekeepery attitude but the line is very far out, there's no way I'd dare question almost any disabled person on their decision to ctb, I find it sick that people could hand platitudes like that, and this applies to a huge portion of the population in different circumstances undeniably.