Death by tricyclic is a THING. The problem is getting enough of them. I tried with 160 Nortryptiline years ago, but it took years to save up that many. I presume those YEARS interfered with their efficacy, since my first wife died of an ACCIDENTAL Elavil overdose. (The toxic dose and high recommended dosages are not far apart.) It would seem acquiring a couple of hundred Elavil 50's would be a helluva lot easier than getting to Mexico or enduring being endlessly scammed. Or swallowing volcanic SN. Not easy either, but it seems a very obvious strategy which no one has mentioned.
It has been mentioned and is a documented method.
Please see attached thread and quote from another user that includes links you can read.
Please see attached thread and quote from another user that includes links you can read.
This was my method 1 year ago . It probably doesn't matter exact benzo timing . Ami is slow but can still be very harsh . So preferably benzos before Ami to ease things (but not too soon: fall asleep) . My plan was to preparing Ami (soaking->honey / capsules) , take benzo , wait 10m , take Ami .
Be cautious: Amitriptyline is fatal but takes time ; may include seizures (hence benzos) ; coma if rescued or low dosage . I'd still use it , but be mindful .
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/atta...books-open-books-for-an-open-world-pdf.17944/
Amitriptyline Cocktail - ASH
web.archive.org
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/amitryptiline-cocktail-archive-wiki-extra-info.29464/
That's silly. Amitryptiline is perfect. You fall asleep and die in your sleep. I experienced it first hand, with my first wife. It was harsh, all right. FOR ME.
Why have you not used the search function? It is definitely being discussed.
Fragile
Broken
- Jul 7, 2019
- 1,496
this is a good method, but it has many downsides that can make it very unappealing to some and i can see why it's not a very popular method.
i did extensive research on it last year before i got my N, it really seemed perfect at first, you just die in your sleep with minimum to no discomfort.
but the downsides are painfully obvious, and the main one is that it can take a lot of time for it to work once you drink the cocktail, some people report up to 48 hours for it to kill you, and that's where this method usually fails. not everyone has 2 days where no one is looking for them, some people barely have hours of privacy.
and then there's the issue with getting all that you need for it to be really lethal. you need A LOT of amitriptyline, i'm talking hundreds of pills to reach lethal doses, then you also need the antiemetic and a strong benzodiazepine if you want to ensure that you die peacefully. all of those are prescription only in most places.
and if you fail, the recovery is hell on earth apparently.
SN may come with more body discomfort, but it's way easier to get and it kills you in a fraction of the time. although if you have everything needed for the amitriptyline cocktail, including a lot of free time, then it's definitely better.
i did extensive research on it last year before i got my N, it really seemed perfect at first, you just die in your sleep with minimum to no discomfort.
but the downsides are painfully obvious, and the main one is that it can take a lot of time for it to work once you drink the cocktail, some people report up to 48 hours for it to kill you, and that's where this method usually fails. not everyone has 2 days where no one is looking for them, some people barely have hours of privacy.
and then there's the issue with getting all that you need for it to be really lethal. you need A LOT of amitriptyline, i'm talking hundreds of pills to reach lethal doses, then you also need the antiemetic and a strong benzodiazepine if you want to ensure that you die peacefully. all of those are prescription only in most places.
and if you fail, the recovery is hell on earth apparently.
SN may come with more body discomfort, but it's way easier to get and it kills you in a fraction of the time. although if you have everything needed for the amitriptyline cocktail, including a lot of free time, then it's definitely better.
autumnal
Enlightened
- Feb 4, 2020
- 1,950
'Why has no one mentioned the search function?
Existing threads about amitryptiline are a THING'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/attachments/autumnal-rtfm-search-only-extended-information-png.34273/
Existing threads about amitryptiline are a THING'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/attachments/autumnal-rtfm-search-only-extended-information-png.34273/
Quarky00
Enlightened
- Dec 17, 2019
- 1,956
I understand you speak out of a traumatic experience . I have answered you on the original thread . You should be free here to express your pain and agony without judgment
I wouldn't say Amitriptyline is "perfect" , that one just "sleeps" , or that warnings are "silly" ... Surely you understand that a personal case doesn't mean that's the way it would always happen for everyone . I don't see a point in expanding on that . You may share your story etc .
It was suggested on the 6 other posts. Along with several suggestions'Why has no one mentioned the search function?
Existing threads about amitryptiline are a THING'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/attachments/autumnal-rtfm-search-only-extended-information-png.34273/
Didymus
Clutching at invisible straws
- Dec 11, 2018
- 348
autumnal
Enlightened
- Feb 4, 2020
- 1,950
No, I do totally realise that. My response was a riff on their original subject line
Quarky00
Enlightened
- Dec 17, 2019
- 1,956
Considering one needs 8-9g , that's a lot of pills , and it costs around $150 including tracked shipping (could be less). If people have money they may consider paying few more hundred bucks for N which is more peaceful (although you've reported a single case that is different, and I believe you) . As said it's lots of pills , and I think you mentioned it yourself , so it does require preparation (you can't swallow 100s of pills) -- unlike N or SN .
SN is not "volcanic" . It does not erupt from a crust in the earth , but comes in plastic bottles (or bags) .
Unlike Elavil/Amitriptyline , SN costs $20 or less , so that's a fraction of your suggestion -- and some people here are very poor . It also acts quicker , around 15 minutes , compared to hours . I assume your wife did not die within 10 minutes of taking one pill .
Glad OP raised that issue since it allowed some nice summarized comparison (although we've done it before? forgetful Quarky).
| SN | Amitriptyline | N | |
| Availability | Readily available via regular shipping in most of Europe and in the US. Problems in Canada, Australia, and South America. | Readily available via online pharmacies | A |
| Price | $20 | $150 | $750 |
| Add ons | Meto , Benzo ? | Benzo ! (OP objects ; duly noted) | None |
| Preparation | Easy | Annoying | Ready |
| Side effects | Well death | death | death |
| Seriously though! | Vomiting, burning | Seizures, vomiting , brain damage (OP objects ; duly noted) | A! |
| Time to loss of consciousness | 15 minutes | 1 hour | 5 minutes |
| Time to death | 30 - 45 minutes (occasionally longer) | 3 - 30 hours (member reported saved after 29h) | 20 minutes |
| Another useless line | in our useless life | in this useless word | and this useless table |
I couldn't find the search page . :/
The Dark Chaos
Craving chaos..
- Apr 17, 2020
- 215
As far as I remember from somewhere I read uhh need around 5000mg of Amitriptyline + benzos + alcohol..
I'm not that sure though...
I'm not that sure though...
autumnal
Enlightened
- Feb 4, 2020
- 1,950
What on earth do you mean by 'volcanic SN'?!
DyslexicForeigner
Student
- Dec 27, 2018
- 135
Hey @Quarky00 please add not so useless SA table as well. SA is no longer an underrated/underdogs CTB method. I am dying with "volcanic" SA powder's configuration too ;)
Giving me a right good, desperately needed guffaw! Thank you, @autumnal'Why has no one mentioned the search function?
Existing threads about amitryptiline are a THING'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/attachments/autumnal-rtfm-search-only-extended-information-png.34273/
DyslexicForeigner
Student
- Dec 27, 2018
- 135
For illustration purposes only, this:
Attachments
Are you proposing SN is now to be called volcanic powder or VP for short?
autumnal
Enlightened
- Feb 4, 2020
- 1,950
I still don't quite get the reference/joke behind calling it 'volcanic SN'. Is it just because it comes as a white powder that one could concievably shape into a volcano?
Quarky00
Enlightened
- Dec 17, 2019
- 1,956
- Sodium Azide is explosive, it detonates, while Sodium Nitrite is flammable, it will burn
- Generally nitrites are used to prepare explosives, and specifically there is TNT
- Volcanic gases may include nitrogen, though it's not the main component
- In nature, nitrate and nitrite can be found in igneous and volcanic rocks
- SN is often said to have a 'burning' sensation , like an acid (it is not an acid though corrosive) , which may allude to some magma or 'burning chemicals'
- SN may be viewed by some to be a "violent" death (it isn't) , which may allude to some volcanic eruption ..
"Deconstruction of Language in Sanctioned Suicide Prose" (ISBN0239849087234)
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Is it really necessary to humiliate and belittle a 64 year old man who's terminally ill and frantically (and possibly
posting all over the forum on his first day clearly desperately hoping to find a way to end his agonizing pain?
there aren't many, but there are some older very sick or terminally ill members here who aren't tech savvy and need a little guidance. Infographics don't help these people. whenever I see frantic posting i check the post history to see what is going on before I reply.
Some deserve a very direct answer and even a bit of scolding for asking the same questions over and over, but we were all new once and didn't know where to find things... I posted My first question and was kindly put in my place for not knowing to search, but it also made me weary to post my questions and I'm not a shy person. If my question attracted this kind of belittling, I would have left this forum that day! I've seen it in many posts that just don't warrant it.
This is supposed to be a supportive community for a very small and unfortunately hurting population of people.
Stop hurting them more.
posting all over the forum on his first day clearly desperately hoping to find a way to end his agonizing pain?
there aren't many, but there are some older very sick or terminally ill members here who aren't tech savvy and need a little guidance. Infographics don't help these people. whenever I see frantic posting i check the post history to see what is going on before I reply.
Some deserve a very direct answer and even a bit of scolding for asking the same questions over and over, but we were all new once and didn't know where to find things... I posted My first question and was kindly put in my place for not knowing to search, but it also made me weary to post my questions and I'm not a shy person. If my question attracted this kind of belittling, I would have left this forum that day! I've seen it in many posts that just don't warrant it.
This is supposed to be a supportive community for a very small and unfortunately hurting population of people.
Stop hurting them more.
autumnal
Enlightened
- Feb 4, 2020
- 1,950
I personally don't believe that potentially vulnerable individuals and expecting basic common-sense and netiquette are mutually exclusive.
If a member posted asking 'What is SN?' (and they do) rather than searching or browsing the resource compilation, there's no reason why they shouldn't be referred to either of these sources rather than simply being handed a definition and thus reinforcing that behaviour in them and other users. I personally consider the infographic to be ideal for this purpose, because it saves typing the equivalent in a worded response (which can get frustrating when you are doing it often for the same kinds of obvious questions), it doesn't contain links or anything to reinforce the members behaviour, and it is purely functional and unemotive. It is literally a graphic pointing the member to read a resource. There's no sarcasm, emotion or tone involved.
If a member posted asking how SN was taken, whether it needed some kind of liquid or you could eat it by the spoonful out of the packet (this post really happened!), then there may well be some gentle mockery of their question, as there should be practically no way in which one could learn of the existence of SN from this forum (Stan's Guide, megathread or PPH) without at the same time learning that it is mixed in water for consumption.
In the current example, if a member not only fails to search for a well-covered term before posting asking why it has never been mentioned before, but then goes on a rant including all-caps words about why nobody has ever mentioned it, then I'm sorry but they do leave themselves somewhat open to a bit of stirring. Note that the OP was only critiqued for the behaviour above, they were not in any way mocked for the fact that they had previously attempted nor that their wife had died accidentally.
I don't think most members here would either want or appreciate being wrapped in cotton-wool and excused for behaviour that would be less than ideal on literally any other kind of forum, or indeed in real life. Note that I'm not advocating disrespect or bullying towards members who make these kind of errors. But it is possible to separate the error from the member, and to acknowledge or even criticise the behaviour without it needing to be misconstrued as an attack on the member themselves, or on the vulnerable aspects of the member's situation. I also note that there is a difference between critiquing someone for a lack of common-sense, logic or netiquette, versus criticising someone for being suicidal. I would never endorse the latter behaviour.
I'm also going to point out that it is reasonable to expect a basic level of common-sense, logic and netiquette from every user by default, unless explicitly stated otherwise. Very few of us have time to individually research the author of each and every post to determine whether they in fact have an underlying mental disability, language issues or computer illiteracy that might shift their behaviour from annoying to understandable. This is why the post by the OP was judged on its merits (or lack thereof) before receiving responses from myself and other members. I didn't know at the time that the poster was 64 or terminally ill. But again, as I stated earlier, I don't think that member came onto this forum expecting to be held to a different standard of behaviour purely by virtue of their age or illness.
Finally, it's important to note that a response such as this, of this size and complexity, would not normally be warranted by the OP's original minor gaffe, which was responded to by a number of members including myself and then quickly moved on from. My response here is a direct (over)explanation on the topis raised by @Living sucks. I hope I have been able to address these calmly and comprehensively.
Justified critiquing based on personal expectations.
. But it is possible to separate the error from the member, and to acknowledge or even criticise the behaviour without it needing to be misconstrued as an attack on the member themselves, or on the vulnerable aspects of the member's situation.
The behavior IS the person so any criticism can be felt as an attack and taken personally.
as i said some posts and OPs deserve some criticism in certain situations ... not their first day.
I feel you missed the point of my response.
. But it is possible to separate the error from the member, and to acknowledge or even criticise the behaviour without it needing to be misconstrued as an attack on the member themselves, or on the vulnerable aspects of the member's situation.
The behavior IS the person so any criticism can be felt as an attack and taken personally.
as i said some posts and OPs deserve some criticism in certain situations ... not their first day.
I feel you missed the point of my response.
