Why does society force people to live?

[NormaJeane]

The stone age man died of injuries and infections in nature, the medieval man died of the plague, the soldier died in war and the modern man has to commit suicide, alone or pay a doctor for it, to live and die with dignity. Suicide became a sin because of religion, but many people are not religious - death and suicide are taboo in anyway. Human life should be prolonged, regardless the cirumstances, but our pets can be killed at the vet to avoid suffering.

Many people here on Sanctioned Suicide are fragile and have several suicide attempts behind them, myself included, with methods that did not work or methods that failed, which is not strange because the body is not created to kill itself - a doctor should give euthanasia to the person who wants to die.

The modern life is too long, people live longer than the body can handle. Life expectancy is far too high - and how many in healthcare understand this? People are expected to die of old age and when we live long enough we will suffer from diseases, disabilities and the circumstances. Modern medicine prolong our life - the doctors want to cure all diseases and disabilities. But can people not choose to die of the disease instead?

Why are we forced to live in a world where we all are going to die eventually? How can there be any meaning of human life when everything will die in the end? No one will remember us in a distant future. Why are people forced to meaningless suffering? What is wrong with the society and the politicians when they treat our pets better than humans? It is terrible that people end up here on the Internet writing about suicide, which we should be able to talk about with our loved ones. How can some people be in such denial of death, how can they be so programmed to live? All humans should have the right to euthansia, whenever they want to die. Stop forcing people to live!

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Misery loves company.

 

[8evergo]

there don't give a shit about you, everything has an economic purpose

 

[-FrozenRobot-]

People are thinking they are being optimistic by being pro-life. I absolutely hate it. I think it would take another 2 centuries to normalize euthanasia for mentally ill people. People are so patronizing and condescending.
I hate it when someone feels sorry for me when I express I'm suicidal. B**tch!!! You're the reason I'm suicidal.

 

[8evergo]

society don't give a shit about you, everything has an economic purpose

At that time one could also sacrifice oneself as human sacrifice was highly regarded and was completely legitimate

 

[Darkover]

Stefan Molyneux - The Story of Your Enslavement

The Lie We Live

 

[BlazingBob]

Because there's money in suffering and a lot of people are sadists. It's also about control. Ctb is the one freedom our control freak psychopath owners can't take away, and they hate it. Religions hate it because dead people can't tithe.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Because there's money in suffering and a lot of people are sadists. It's also about control. Ctb is the one freedom our control freak psychopath owners can't take away, and they hate it. Religions hate it because dead people can't tithe.

I mean right?! I mentioned this to someone in real life and they freaked out and told me I was scaring them. It is so hard to relate to other people when you are suicidal. This place is the first time in my life where I actually felt understood.

 

[Someone123]

The stone age man died of injuries and infections in nature, the medieval man died of the plague, the soldier died in war and the modern man has to commit suicide, alone or pay a doctor for it, to live and die with dignity. Suicide became a sin because of religion, but many people are not religious - death and suicide are taboo in anyway. Human life should be prolonged, regardless the cirumstances, but our pets can be killed at the vet to avoid suffering.

Many people here on Sanctioned Suicide are fragile and have several suicide attempts behind them, myself included, with methods that did not work or methods that failed, which is not strange because the body is not created to kill itself - a doctor should give euthanasia to the person who wants to die.

The modern life is too long, people live longer than the body can handle. Life expectancy is far too high - and how many in healthcare understand this? People are expected to die of old age and when we live long enough we will suffer from diseases, disabilities and the circumstances. Modern medicine prolong our life - the doctors want to cure all diseases and disabilities. But can people not choose to die of the disease instead?

Why are we forced to live in a world where we all are going to die eventually? How can there be any meaning of human life when everything will die in the end? No one will remember us in a distant future. Why are people forced to meaningless suffering? What is wrong with the society and the politicians when they treat our pets better than humans? It is terrible that people end up here on the Internet writing about suicide, which we should be able to talk about with our loved ones. How can some people be in such denial of death, how can they be so programmed to live? All humans should have the right to euthansia, whenever they want to die. Stop forcing people to live!

Part of the problem is that many people who attempt suicide end up regretting it and go on to live happy lives, and so they want to rescue others in the same situation, so this is actually done with good intentions. However for some other people it gets to where suicide is their best option for stopping their pain, and these attempts to rescue some people end up harming others by making them stay in a life that has been too painful for too long.

There is no easy answer that I can think of for resolving this. I think on the site people are trying to do this, by providing caring for people who want to stop their pain and encouragement for those whoo show signs of hope. Some people disagree- in some news stories some people have been very upset about their children who ctb using information and support from this site or any other sources like it.. I understand why, because in some cases it appears that they were in a period of temporary stress which, if they had gotten through, they would have had good lives.

From the posts I see here people here are trying to do the right thing- to encourage others to try to make their lives better when they see signs of hope and to provide emotional support for those who want to stop their pain, but it is very difficult to know how to best do this. Following the rules by not encouraging acts is important, but if someone asks how to make an attempt less likely to fail this gets a little grey, because a failed attempt can cause a lot of problems in a person's life. I try to find the right balance, but for some people who have lost children there is no right balance, topics on this site such as which methods are more effective or how to make a method more effective really upset them, and I understand why. But for people who need to find a way to stop their pain this is important information. It's a tough call, but we do have free speech in this country, and sticking to the rules of the site should help. I have not seen any posts that I thought encouraged people to ctb- people make their own choices about this.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

in some news stories some people have been very upset about their children who ctb using information and support from this site or any other sources like it.. I understand why, because in some cases it appears that they were in a period of temporary stress which, if they had gotten through, they would have had good lives.

I am not so sure how many cases are like that though. I would guess the majority of people here have serious or permanent problems that one cannot just snap out of.

I understand why some people might be upset at us. But we are not the bad guys. We are just looking for a dignified way to die. Providing information to a peaceful death is a valuable service. Otherwise we risk dangerous and ineffective methods that could mangle our bodies if we survive.

 

[Someone123]

I am not so sure how many cases are like that though. I would guess the majority of people here have serious or permanent problems that one cannot just snap out of.

I understand why some people might be upset at us. But we are not the bad guys. We are just looking for a dignified way to die. Providing information to a peaceful death is a valuable service. Otherwise we risk dangerous and ineffective methods that could mangle our bodies if we survive.

I agree completely and I do support this site. But one strength of this site is when people show signs of hope to encourage these- I see encouraging posts from people every day. I am just saying that where to draw the line is so hard to tell, but we do have free speech, and if people post with good intentions then we should do a lot more good than harm for sure. Everything has plusses and minuses though- someone can cook you some delicious meals and then in a couple of years those meals might kill or disable you through a heart attack or stroke. Matthew Mindler is a recent celebrity suicide that I look at and say- I think if he got the right kind of help he could have gotten through this crisis and could have gone on to live a long, healthy life. He needed help with pretty extreme social anxiety. But there is plenty of blame to go around. Most colleges don't have enough resources available to help kids who get overwhelmed when they first go out to college. The colleges need to do a lot more here. When you charge huge amounts for admission is this money allocated well- often not. More needs to go to help students and less to tenured professors who don't even teach that much, nowhere near as much as they should considering their compensation.

 

[Midgardsorm]

Mostly we are forced to live because of economic purposes. Our pets does not pay taxes, they do not buy things, they are simply not fitted for being a walking wage for those who "treats" them. That's why they are allowed to die.
Yes, pets need care and food, but as long as the adoption propaganda keeps on, it's "okay" to go for one to another. Notice how the attachment we had to a pet doesn't matter for them, just the fact that you have one.

Such are for children. Abortion is a taboo and one of the most complaints against lgbt people, religion aside, is "Same gender doesn't make children". Once this statement was about keeping the society on, nowadays is just to keep the money vault full.

The suffering of others are a business. As long people are old and fragile, more money are being generated.

Why nobody cares about the homeless? If you're poor it's okay to lie on the streets, fragile, sick and forsaken.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Mostly we are forced to live because of economic purposes. Our pets does not pay taxes, they do not buy things, they are simply not fitted for being a walking wage for those who "treats" them. That's why they are allowed to die.
Yes, pets need care and food, but as long as the adoption propaganda keeps on, it's "okay" to go for one to another. Notice how the attachment we had to a pet doesn't matter for them, just the fact that you have one.

Why do people think I am crazy when I say the same thing in real life. I swear SS is the only place I actually feel understood. I guess when you are suicidally depressed it is hard to relate to others.

 

[nerve]

I think it's a misguided attempt to prove to themselves that the world is a fair and just place and that all life is sacred. Someone being driven to suicide is not a fair or just process so preventing a suicide allows these people to go on another day believing that everything is all okay and everyone is vitally important so no one should actually kill themselves. The alternative, that we're all just randomly here with no inherent purpose and no "sacredness," is too painful for some people to process.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

I think it's a misguided attempt to prove to themselves that the world is a fair and just place and that all life is sacred. Someone being driven to suicide is not a fair or just process so preventing a suicide allows these people to go on another day believing that everything is all okay and everyone is vitally important so no one should actually kill themselves. The alternative, that we're all just randomly here with no inherent purpose and no "sacredness," is too painful for some people to process.

Those people are pro-life at all costs because they never experienced the level of suffering that drives people to suicide. To them suicide is unthinkable and that we must be crazy to even consider it.

What these idiots don't understand is that death is coming regardless. Suicide is just picking the time and not letting death happen to you.

 

[Midgardsorm]

One of the saying against suicide is: "Suicide doesn't end the pain, it just passes to somebody else."

It's terrible to say this, especially because there are people dearly to me, but when I ctb, they will know how much pain I had to endure. They will finally understand what is like to be in a constant pain and suffering.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

One of the saying against suicide is: "Suicide doesn't end the pain, it just passes to somebody else."

It's terrible to say this, especially because there are people dearly to me, but when I ctb, they will know how much pain I had to endure. They will finally understand what is like to be in a constant pain and suffering.

You know you are destined for suicide when those pro-lifer platitudes don't even apply to you. I have no family, friends or anyone who would notice I am gone. My body will decay in my apartment for weeks before someone discovers it.

 

[nerve]

Those people are pro-life at all costs because they never experienced the same kind of suffering that drives people to suicide. To them suicide is unthinkable and that we must be crazy to even consider it.

What these idiots don't understand is that death is coming regardless. Suicide is just picking the time and not letting death happen to you.

"Life at any cost" is a way I put it a lot. Doesnt matter how miserable or ill you are or how low your quality of life is, life is ~*~sacred~*~ and if you don't think so, prepare to get locked up buddy.

A lot of these proselytizers will say things like "I considered suicide too when I felt depressed" so I'm not sure that I agree with the sentiment that they're all just happy shiny pollyannas who know nothing of pain, just maybe that they can't comprehend the idea of somebody being in more pain and feeling even worse than they ever did. People like to imagine that their suffering is the deepest suffering that a human can endure and get defensive when presented with evidence that points the other way. You see this sometimes with people who don't believe systemic privilege is a thing. "What do you mean a different group of people faces more challenges than I do?? I face challenges too, you know!! My life is hard too!"

I remember reading something about some guy who was like "I was going to kill myself but things got better for me and I like being alive now so you will too!" and then I looked and he said the first time he experienced suicidal thoughts was at the age of 24. Twenty-four-years-old. There are a lot of people who've been in deep, intense, intractable pain for longer than this cocksucker has been alive. There are people whose suicidal thoughts began when they were toddlers. People who never got a chance to build a life separate from wanting to die. A lot of pro-life folks are in that kind of boat where they think their experiences with mental illness, no matter how paltry or time-limited, means that they're qualified to speak on behalf of or directly to the mentally ill in general. It's more about making themselves feel good and useful than actually helping anyone.

 

[blueclover_.]

The stone age man died of injuries and infections in nature, the medieval man died of the plague, the soldier died in war and the modern man has to commit suicide, alone or pay a doctor for it, to live and die with dignity. Suicide became a sin because of religion, but many people are not religious - death and suicide are taboo in anyway. Human life should be prolonged, regardless the cirumstances, but our pets can be killed at the vet to avoid suffering.

Many people here on Sanctioned Suicide are fragile and have several suicide attempts behind them, myself included, with methods that did not work or methods that failed, which is not strange because the body is not created to kill itself - a doctor should give euthanasia to the person who wants to die.

The modern life is too long, people live longer than the body can handle. Life expectancy is far too high - and how many in healthcare understand this? People are expected to die of old age and when we live long enough we will suffer from diseases, disabilities and the circumstances. Modern medicine prolong our life - the doctors want to cure all diseases and disabilities. But can people not choose to die of the disease instead?

Why are we forced to live in a world where we all are going to die eventually? How can there be any meaning of human life when everything will die in the end? No one will remember us in a distant future. Why are people forced to meaningless suffering? What is wrong with the society and the politicians when they treat our pets better than humans? It is terrible that people end up here on the Internet writing about suicide, which we should be able to talk about with our loved ones. How can some people be in such denial of death, how can they be so programmed to live? All humans should have the right to euthansia, whenever they want to die. Stop forcing people to live!

Companies need workers to be profitable. That's why they tell you to save women and children first in war, so that you can create more babies, more workers, more profit.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

"Life at any cost" is a way I put it a lot. Doesnt matter how miserable or ill you are or how low your quality of life is, life is ~*~sacred~*~ and if you don't think so, prepare to get locked up buddy.

A lot of these proselytizers will say things like "I considered suicide too when I felt depressed" so I'm not sure that I agree with the sentiment that they're all just happy shiny pollyannas who know nothing of pain, just maybe that they can't comprehend the idea of somebody being in more pain and feeling even worse than they ever did. People like to imagine that their suffering is the deepest suffering that a human can endure and get defensive when presented with evidence that points the other way.

Man this is the TRUTH. There is a huge difference from a normal person who is going through a temporary setback in adult life, to a person who has experienced decades of trauma and suffering starting from an early age.

They are not qualified to speak on our behalf and it is ridiculous we are labelled as crazy. Suicide is a logical conclusion when faced with life long suffering.

 

[DontGiveAshiit]

because you cant pay taxes when you are dead, basically

 

[FuneralCry]

Of course, even know the society takes away the peaceful methods and expects us to suffer for decades, nobody is actually forced to live unless they are being watched by someone at all times and that person would prevent them from ctb. There is always ways to exit this horrible life, even know they may not be ideal ways to exit.

Many people are under a delusion that life is always worth living. If euthanasia was legal it would shatter this false belief. Some people live in denial of the fact that things can get that bad that one would consider ctb. Those people dismiss suicidal people as always being irrational. It is cruel how we are denied euthanasia. It is our life, our decision and nobody else has any say in it.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Many people are under a delusion that life is always worth living. If euthanasia was legal it would shatter this false belief. Some people live in denial of the fact that things can get that bad that one would consider ctb. Those people dismiss suicidal people as always being irrational.

I wonder how many people would ctb if there was an easy way out. Over a million people kill themselves each year. 1 in 50 deaths is due to suicide.

We all know that the majority of attempts end in failure due to lack of information and access to effective methods. Not to mention actively making attempts is hard even if you want to die.

The true number of people who secretly want to die must be astronomical. At least that is what I tell myself.

 

[Emu]

The stone age man died of injuries and infections in nature, the medieval man died of the plague, the soldier died in war and the modern man has to commit suicide, alone or pay a doctor for it, to live and die with dignity. Suicide became a sin because of religion, but many people are not religious - death and suicide are taboo in anyway. Human life should be prolonged, regardless the cirumstances, but our pets can be killed at the vet to avoid suffering.

Many people here on Sanctioned Suicide are fragile and have several suicide attempts behind them, myself included, with methods that did not work or methods that failed, which is not strange because the body is not created to kill itself - a doctor should give euthanasia to the person who wants to die.

The modern life is too long, people live longer than the body can handle. Life expectancy is far too high - and how many in healthcare understand this? People are expected to die of old age and when we live long enough we will suffer from diseases, disabilities and the circumstances. Modern medicine prolong our life - the doctors want to cure all diseases and disabilities. But can people not choose to die of the disease instead?

Why are we forced to live in a world where we all are going to die eventually? How can there be any meaning of human life when everything will die in the end? No one will remember us in a distant future. Why are people forced to meaningless suffering? What is wrong with the society and the politicians when they treat our pets better than humans? It is terrible that people end up here on the Internet writing about suicide, which we should be able to talk about with our loved ones. How can some people be in such denial of death, how can they be so programmed to live? All humans should have the right to euthansia, whenever they want to die. Stop forcing people to live!

Well put

 

[chocolatebar]

The stone age man died of injuries and infections in nature, the medieval man died of the plague, the soldier died in war and the modern man has to commit suicide, alone or pay a doctor for it, to live and die with dignity. Suicide became a sin because of religion, but many people are not religious - death and suicide are taboo in anyway. Human life should be prolonged, regardless the cirumstances, but our pets can be killed at the vet to avoid suffering.

Many people here on Sanctioned Suicide are fragile and have several suicide attempts behind them, myself included, with methods that did not work or methods that failed, which is not strange because the body is not created to kill itself - a doctor should give euthanasia to the person who wants to die.

The modern life is too long, people live longer than the body can handle. Life expectancy is far too high - and how many in healthcare understand this? People are expected to die of old age and when we live long enough we will suffer from diseases, disabilities and the circumstances. Modern medicine prolong our life - the doctors want to cure all diseases and disabilities. But can people not choose to die of the disease instead?

Why are we forced to live in a world where we all are going to die eventually? How can there be any meaning of human life when everything will die in the end? No one will remember us in a distant future. Why are people forced to meaningless suffering? What is wrong with the society and the politicians when they treat our pets better than humans? It is terrible that people end up here on the Internet writing about suicide, which we should be able to talk about with our loved ones. How can some people be in such denial of death, how can they be so programmed to live? All humans should have the right to euthansia, whenever they want to die. Stop forcing people to live!

One thing that intrigues me a lot is the story and origins of suicide. Did the early humans commit suicide? They lacked methods, but had much more freedom. And what about the first suicides? When and where did it happen? I think a lot about this.

 

[yive]

exploitation. we are all slaves