Discussion Why do so many people believe you don't have the right to leave this world?

[ericwilkinson]

They call it the "cowards way out". I can't believe anyone thinks you should just put up with a stupid existence you never asked for.

 

[Raggas]

They are sheltered or religious and have never been in the same position we have been in.

 

[woxihuanni]

I'm afraid it boils down to 'they are wilfully stupid'.

 

[Dutch]

In my opinion you have to be very strong to suicide, it's not an easy thing.
People that say only cowards suicide or weak people, they have no clue what they talk about and maybe a lack of empathy, or no life experience at all.

 

[Baskol1]

And they try to stop you at all costs. Of course that does not work on people who really want to die, someday they will sucessfully kill themselves.

 

[Alucard]

And they try to stop you at all costs. Of course that does not work on people who really want to die, someday they will sucessfully kill themselves.

You are right. But we deserve an easier and more serene conclusion. Pro-life does not respect human dignity.

 

[Darkhaven]

Because they can't imagine how life is for people like us.
If they could live like a month or two with a head like mine maybe they would change their opinion.

 

[JulienSorel]

Because it makes them feel good about themselves.

 

[Deivis]

Because they can't imagine how life is for people like us.
If they could live like a month or two with a head like mine maybe they would change their opinion.

Thats exactly what I said to my father when he tried to play smart ass with me as if he knows better.
The fucker ended up speechless and with rolling eyes... :)

 

[Sooniwontbehuman]

This us just an opinion, but I think for a lot of people it just comes down to fear. They are scared that the people they love will leave them, therefor they have to make suicide an evil, shameful thing. If someone goes around promoting suicide, they think the people that they care about might start to think about it.

 

[peaceminusbts]

A lot of people think not wanting to live means giving up.

 

[bluesky1972-2019]

People who say things like "cowards way out" obviously have no idea how much pain it takes to drive you to CTB. They have lead lives where they have never felt it or they wouldn't say that. Once you've been in the very dark place wanting to CTB takes you, you are awakened.
We will all die regardless of what anyone says or wants. To choose when to go is your absolute right and very brave. Most people fear death, but when you CTB you face and deal with what most others wouldn't have the guts to do!

 

[Fadinglife]

A lot of people think not wanting to live means giving up.

In someways it is, but i wouldn't call it a bad thing. Why has led you to choose ctb?

 

[peaceminusbts]

In someways it is, but i wouldn't call it a bad thing. Why has led you to choose ctb?

I simply don't see the point in living. Proton4ever worded it quite nicely.

"Do this 20+ years of school thing, then another 50+ years of work, deal with a bunch of BS, just to get old, sick and die after all the effort."

 

[c824767]

I have two university educated friends who understand, they both say that I should give the world another try, but if in a year I am still in the same frame of mind....

 

[JimFord99]

Some even believe doing it is a complete failure. It is not, in my opinion it shows courage and determination. Admirable.

 

[woxihuanni]

Thats why I don't follow the masses. I try as much as possible to have independent thinking. Majority of people just blindly follows the system. Do this 20+ years of school thing, then another 50+ years of work, deal with a bunch of BS, just to get old, sick and die after all the effort. If someone sees something wrong with this, they're literally just recommended to go to church and pray. After someone finally more "awake" gets depressed over this pointless cycle that they never asked for, they then label them with mental issues. And now we have to struggle with wanting to suicide, but end up further struggling because we don't want to hurt those that originally brought us into this world in the first place. If we do end up suiciding, we then get judged and misunderstood for it. Its definitely a complicated torture

I'm sorry but this sounds very young. There is nothing inherently wrong with effort. The school system is fucked and working conditions are fucked, it does not mean there is something wrong with passing on our intellectual inheritance or contributing to society in return for our sustenance. What is it, spend your life using technology and consuming art/entertainment while you despise the effort that goes into it? Eat food while you despise that it has to be produced?

Of course it is well within your rights to die simply because you don't want to put in any effort, because as you say we do not consent to be born. But no, that does not make anybody more 'awake' than anybody else.

There are plenty of people here who acknowledge that they still feel like a child and cannot deal with life, and do not want to put in any more effort. That is honest and valid. It's OK. It is not OK to belittle everybody else who don't feel the same.

Though I must say, I definitely share the hatred for church, or rather religion in general. And the workings of psychology, which is itself like religion.

 

[snowman626]

Do this 20+ years of school thing, then another 50+ years of work, deal with a bunch of BS, just to get old, sick and die after all the effort.

some also believe in reincarnation so its restart all over again, all that previous learning and effort all for nothing. but where they reincarnate to is random and could be anything from same as last time to 3rd world slum, and the fucked up thing is they rather have THAT than to finally rest in peace eternally. what the fuck

 

[woxihuanni]

but where they reincarnate to is random and could be anything from same as last time to 3rd world slum

That is my idea of absolute worst form of hell.

 

[woxihuanni]

We all see that at a systematic level, it is to keep us under control. At an individual level, I think the reaction has very ugly roots. If I have clear terms on life, and decide to quit if I don't get what I want, what does it say about you? Especially if I have a 'better' life. It simply says your standards are lower, and nobody is willing to face that. It is the old story about crabs pulling one another down when one tries to climb out of the bucket.

Fucker, I wouldn't put up with your life. Just get over it.

 

[thx1138]

"The reason why doctor assisted suicide isn't legal: We are economic assets"


You don't have the right to leave this world, because then you can't be used as a workhorse. Society doesn't want you to die, because productivity over your whole lifetime will amount to thousands, even millions of dollars. Your family doesn't want you to die, because then they can't use you as financial support or emotional punching bag.

Suicide is "selfish", because refusing to be useful to others every waking moment is selfish. Notice how suicide is suddenly not considered "selfish" anymore, but "heroic", if it's to save someone else? It's not the act of suicide itself that's shocking, it's the refusal to obey society's rules.

 

[Rdc]

"Killing oneself is, anyway, a misnomer. We don't kill ourselves. We are simply defeated by the long, hard struggle to stay alive. When somebody dies after a long illness, people are apt to say, with a note of approval, "He fought so hard." And they are inclined to think, about a suicide, that no fight was involved, that somebody simply gave up. This is quite wrong."
― Sally Brampton, Shoot the Damn Dog: A Memoir of Depression

 

[Saroshi]

Although I don't push this thought onto others, I want my friend alive for my own selfish reason of enjoying their company. I understand the hypocrisy since I would like to die my self.

 

[GeorgeJL]

We are genetically programmed to not only help each other survive, but those we love too.

 

[ImSorryEmma]

I know, im confused just as you are, I see people posting things that bring awareness because September is teen suicide awareness month, and when i go to the posts about the awareness and try to make the arugument that people should have the right to die if they want to, im just attacked by there morons of what we call "pro-lifers" and say generic things like life is sacred and precious and all that. Funny enough some of those same people said they were "pro-choice" on the abortion debate. Oh the hypocrisy

 

[Sweet emotion]

I don't understand it either. I don't think it's the cowards way out or selfish. It's very hard to make that decision and go through with it. Animals get out down when they are sick. I would think we deserve the same treatment as a dog or cat. No one has to live our lives but us so no one has the right to judge. It's taken me years to decide I don't want to live anymore. I have been fighting a physical battle and I'm tired and in too much pain. No one knows how bad it is and I'm not even living I'm existing. There's nothing wrong with taking charge of your life or in this matter, your death.

 

[OnlyMercy]

I don't understand it either. I don't think it's the cowards way out or selfish. It's very hard to make that decision and go through with it. Animals get out down when they are sick. I would think we deserve the same treatment as a dog or cat. No one has to live our lives but us so no one has the right to judge. It's taken me years to decide I don't want to live anymore. I have been fighting a physical battle and I'm tired and in too much pain. No one knows how bad it is and I'm not even living I'm existing. There's nothing wrong with taking charge of your life or in this matter, your death.

These words echo my sentiments.

I believe that suicide is the greatest act of independence and autonomy.

One has no say in whether one is born. Similarly, one has no say in whether one can avoid death.

Perhaps the only true decision we have in this short life is to determine the TIMING of our exit from this dimension of existence. Everything else of note has already been predetermined for the most part.

 

[BipolarExpat]

I don't know why I'm putting this here....don't wanna start a new thread, I suppose.


"Sometimes the human experience is not God's miracle gift of sentience. It is difficult to imagine an existence of constant pain, of unending terror or of unyielding sorrow that only an everlasting sleep will soothe."
- Biff Smith

"When will we have a discussion that for some people ending it all is a good and rational choice?"
- Joseph Kinnebrew

^
[FB comments on]:

"I'm Still Here" by Clancy Martin

Learning To Live With A Chronic Urge To Die

I started thinking about killing myself when I was 3 or 4 years old. I've tried nine times. This is why I'm still here.

highline.huffingtonpost.com