Why did sasu got so anti social?

[Dejected 55]

There are also the people who will read someone's thoughtful post describing what they are suffering over, who feel compelled to chime in with how that person has no right to feel bad because their problem "isn't as bad" as what others suffer. Comparison of trauma is an evil thing to do... but I've seen countless times of a person revealing a thing only to have someone else tell that person their pain isn't painful enough.

There are also the side-pickers... folks who have pre-decided to be on a particular "team" or "side" so if you post and are on the "other side" they will pounce on you to tell you that your problems don't count because your "team" or "side" doesn't count for whatever reason.

Bottom line... people are people... and if you concentrate a bunch of traumatized people in a room, they will inevitably find things divide and fight and oppress each other over moreso than try and identify common points and feelings to commiserate over. People don't have enough compassion wired into them as a rule.

 

[SpanishLullaby]

I think the idea that there's some great conspiracy and people are infiltrating the site because they hate suicidal people and want them to suffer the horrible fate of potentially getting better is so out of touch with reality

What you typed is perfectly contradicted by some of this site's haters. And yes a few people actually typed things wishing people on SaSu met horrible painful deaths verbatim. So No, absolutely NOT "out of touch with reality." even people laughing on Twitter.

Pretty disgusting...

 

[whosready4tmrw]

Lot's probably just stop posting and disappear without doing either.

Lol let's not pretend this is the most heartwarming and inviting place. It can help a lot of people but I understand why some can't stick around

 

[madwoman]

I think for me it's a few things. I worry about saying the wrong thing. Like how to respond to an active attempt or goodbye post… and then I'm afraid what I'll say will add to reasons CTB is a good idea for them… and sometimes I don't have the emotional capacity. I like the emoji reactions bc at least they can know I read it and show support that way. And I also can't help others when I feel the way I do, - maybe the recovery part which I've never been in is better for that. I like feeling less alone and talking freely about suicide on here so that's where it makes a difference for me. I am sorry for your pain and that you feel alone here too :/

 

[SpanishLullaby]

Lol let's not pretend this is the most heartwarming and inviting place. It can help a lot of people but I understand why some can't stick around

It used to be before the drama and infiltrators. Thats my main point. (even if you are not aware.)

Even before when there were iterations of drama. SaSu still tried to recalibrate even though it never fully recalibrated to its previous state.

I dont think there is even any room for recalibration at this point.



Nonetheless, Im still happy it exists b/c that means "they" didnt win. Even if the site is just a shell of what it used to be.

 

[Terrible_Life]

I think for me it's a few things. I worry about saying the wrong thing. Like how to respond to an active attempt or goodbye post… and then I'm afraid what I'll say will add to reasons CTB is a good idea for them… and sometimes I don't have the emotional capacity. I like the emoji reactions bc at least they can know I read it and show support that way. And I also can't help others when I feel the way I do, - maybe the recovery part which I've never been in is better for that. I like feeling less alone and talking freely about suicide on here so that's where it makes a difference for me. I am sorry for your pain and that you feel alone here too :/

That was a very good explanation it helped to understand it all better so thanks for that. Yes unfortunately I also feel alone here maybe I was just never made for this world. I lived a very lonely life and thats it. It hurts me to be honest because lots outside circumstances destroyed me and robbed me a fulfilled life where I'd belong to something.
I guess I just had bad luck and I should accept it and finally hang myself. Tomorrow I'll finish the last remaining preparations for my suicide then I only need to choose the date.
What a shame that this was my life . I wish I would have died in the hospital after I was born then so much pain and Traumata would've never happen to me

It used to be before the drama and infiltrators. Thats my main point. (even if you are not aware.)

Even before when there were iterations of drama. SaSu still tried to recalibrate even though it never fully recalibrated to its previous state.

I dont think there is even any room for recalibration at this point.



Nonetheless, Im still happy it exists b/c that means "they" didnt win. Even if the site is just a shell of what it used to be.

Wow I just saw you're here since 2019 thats a long time….may I ask: how was it on sasu back in 2019 ? Were people more active? Were there already so many information about the different methods available and was sn already found as a suicide method??

 

[madwoman]

That was a very good explanation it helped to understand it all better so thanks for that. Yes unfortunately I also feel alone here maybe I was just never made for this world. I lived a very lonely life and thats it. It hurts me to be honest because lots outside circumstances destroyed me and robbed me a fulfilled life where I'd belong to something.
I guess I just had bad luck and I should accept it and finally hang myself. Tomorrow I'll finish the last remaining preparations for my suicide then I only need to choose the date.
What a shame that this was my life . I wish I would have died in the hospital after I was born then so much pain and Traumata would've never happen to me

Wow I just saw you're here since 2019 thats a long time….may I ask: how was it on sasu back in 2019 ? Were people more active? Were there already so many information about the different methods available and was sn already found as a suicide method??

you are not alone in feeling that way. I also feel super lonely even with some people in my life and I feel like I don't belong in life either. Like my whole existence feels like out of body experience and I have a hard time connecting to people in a real way. I wish I was born into another life where I was a happy person. Loneliness sucks

 

[NormallyNeurotic]

I've been trying to respond to posts, but sometimes I'm low on spoons and just leave a hug react. I've noticed less responses overall, though, I see what you mean.

 

[SpanishLullaby]

Wow I just saw you're here since 2019 thats a long time….may I ask: how was it on sasu back in 2019 ? Were people more active? Were there already so many information about the different methods available and was sn already found as a suicide method??

Yes most were VERY active. And there were specific personalities known for specific things or giving specific types of advice on "X" topic. Many of the older people were the originators of the megathreads discussing all the detailed information on specific "trusty" successful methods. Yes SN included. You could easily buy off Amazon back then.


It was easier to get N and roll off into the blue yonder...


There were no sensationalist posts. No posts of people trying to CTB by tying each limb to a separate vehicle and hoping someone pulls off while sucking on a bottle of bleach with a straw.


There weren't alot of young people on here. And if they were young they were certainly not young via their behaviors and experience. (yes a handful of underaged slipped through the cracks but they held their own until they were discovered months later talking about high school classes). I commend them to a huge degree especially b/c I too was a mature teen. The young people here handled the topic of suicide with maturity periodt...


There was a lot of venting. and responses of all types for days. Purely empathetic, cool people you wished you knew in real life. Very little caution and no suspicion of fellow posters.


The conversation was more so focused on "Right to Die" not really "Please give me relief today." Lots of debate on the human side of the issue.


Even a strong personality such as myself still had great interactions with those I disagreed with including PMs and all. I'd label that a specific type of empathy that saw everyone as human and worthy. NO matter how different. And I never ever really felt like I "fit in" with the typical member but my interactions were still pure of heart and quality. I really PM'd more people than I posted. Thats probably why my post count is so low. I always felt I could PM ANYONE and know for the most part we'd have valued interactions even if we didn't become deep "kinfolk" so to speak. I lived on the site though obviously I didn't post alot publicly.


A handful went to Dignitas and even felt comfy asking for an escort on the site w/o having to worry about being murdered / maimed. The requestor would offer to pay all expenses w/o fear of getting screwed. A few Partners even found their suicide match. No gruesome kill stories.


There was one unhealthy person who did wind up torturing and raping 2-3 people here; But theres ALWAYS one in ANY community hiding below ground. They certainly were NOT an active vocal person that disguised themselves. They absolutely acted below radar to be clear.



I left and came back multiple times....bc of that. It was really hard to come back this time knowing this place is no where even close to what it once was...



I truly miss it. I NEVER had a REAL home at any point in life. Even if this home wasnt perfect it still was better than ANYTHING I ever knew. Now its all just memories, sadness and nostalgia for me. (unfortunately.)

 

[sohopelessandempty]

Yes most were VERY active. And there were specific personalities known for specific things or giving specific types of advice on "X" topic. Many of the older people were the originators of the megathreads discussing all the detailed information on specific "trusty" successful methods. Yes SN included. You could easily buy off Amazon back then.


It was easier to get N and roll off into the blue yonder...


There were no sensationalist posts. No posts of people trying to CTB by tying each limb to a separate vehicle and hoping someone pulls off while sucking on a bottle of bleach with a straw.


There weren't alot of young people on here. And if they were young they were certainly not young via their behaviors and experience. (yes a handful of underaged slipped through the cracks but they held their own until they were discovered months later talking about high school classes). I commend them to a huge degree especially b/c I too was a mature teen. The young people here handled the topic of suicide with maturity periodt...


There was a lot of venting. and responses of all types for days. Purely empathetic, cool people you wished you knew in real life. Very little caution and no suspicion of fellow posters.


The conversation was more so focused on "Right to Die" not really "Please give me relief today." Lots of debate on the human side of the issue.


Even a strong personality such as myself still had great interactions with those I disagreed with including PMs and all. I'd label that a specific type of empathy that saw everyone as human and worthy. NO matter how different. And I never ever really felt like I "fit in" with the typical member but my interactions were still pure of heart and quality. I really PM'd more people than I posted. Thats probably why my post count is so low. I always felt I could PM ANYONE and know for the most part we'd have valued interactions even if we didn't become deep "kinfolk" so to speak. I lived on the site though obviously I didn't post alot publicly.


A handful went to Dignitas and even felt comfy asking for an escort on the site w/o having to worry about being murdered / maimed. The requestor would offer to pay all expenses w/o fear of getting screwed. A few Partners even found their suicide match. No gruesome kill stories.


There was one unhealthy person who did wind up torturing and raping 2-3 people here; But theres ALWAYS one in ANY community hiding below ground. They certainly were NOT an active vocal person that disguised themselves. They absolutely acted below radar to be clear.



I left and came back multiple times....bc of that. It was really hard to come back this time knowing this place is no where even close to what it once was...



I truly miss it. I NEVER had a REAL home at any point in life. Even if this home wasnt perfect it still was better than ANYTHING I ever knew. Now its all just memories, sadness and nostalgia for me. (unfortunately.)

I wasn't around for this site back then but so many replies are saying the same, that things were different in the past, that this place was better, etc etc. Do you think SaSu could ever go back to the way it was? I can't say whether the past was better, I've heard good and bad things. I like that the Recovery section exists and I'm pretty sure it didn't in the past. However, I am asking if the good parts of the past can ever be brought back. It almost makes me nostalgic for something I never experienced. Surely it's possible? Or is this one of those things where no matter what it just can't be replicated?

 

[SpanishLullaby]

I wasn't around for this site back then but so many replies are saying the same, that things were different in the past, that this place was better, etc etc. Do you think SaSu could ever go back to the way it was? I can't say whether the past was better, I've heard good and bad things. I like that the Recovery section exists and I'm pretty sure it didn't in the past. However, I am asking if the good parts of the past can ever be brought back. It almost makes me nostalgic for something I never experienced. Surely it's possible? Or is this one of those things where no matter what it just can't be replicated?

Nope sorry. Cant be replicated.


Since the one person who passed created a "hoopla" for this site; it will never be the same.


I also dont think times are the same. Just like pre-Covid and post-Covid times are different. You just cant go back.


Not to mention the wide rise in narcissistic traits and plain lack of empathy within human society is at its heights today. Remember a site is only made up of its people and people are just different now.

 

[whosready4tmrw]

It used to be before the drama and infiltrators. Thats my main point. (even if you are not aware.)

Even before when there were iterations of drama. SaSu still tried to recalibrate even though it never fully recalibrated to its previous state.

I dont think there is even any room for recalibration at this point.



Nonetheless, Im still happy it exists b/c that means "they" didnt win. Even if the site is just a shell of what it used to be.

You're right, and I will admit, I'm relatively new to this site. Not as new as my account creation date, but definitely in the last few months and have never experienced this forum in its prime before all the media attention and backlash.

I was just offering my speculation on why such a site as this could become antisocial.

 

[U. A.]

Kids these days.

 

[Claymore7274]

I read most posts, though sometimes i can't think of something useful to reply

 

[Agent_PS]

I'm honestly not active here. I thought things were gonna get better so I stopped lurking or browsing the site. I came back because well partly I got disillusioned/got a reality check that things aren't gonna change much and also because I have had so much suicidal thoughts in the past few days that yeah. I'm lonely, i'll admit it cuz rn im sitting behind a screen and my identity is unknown. My day to day life is v uneventful and unless someone actually tries to understand me, I won't appear as anything but a normal guy. Anyways connecting with others is difficult and even in a space where u r supposed to connect with like minded people, its v much possible that the interactions will most likely remain surface level.

 

[Terrible_Life]

The reason I posted this today was because in the last few weeks I suffered a lot, I even tried to call the damn suicide hotline where nobody picked the phone. All I wanted was not to be alone in these dark moments so I did post on sasu about my pain I even begged for help if anyone could maybe listen or just be there but none of my posts got even one single response so today after once again i went through hell i did another post and again nothing then I felt even more isolated and lonely and in general completely lost because I though at least here I have a warm place with nice people with whom i might chat about everything something I can't do irl because i have no friends no partner and with family I can't talk about my suicide plans.
So I got very angry and posted this.
I mean those posts I did were really in horrible moments where i felt very bad and the fact I didn't even have someone from the suicide hotline or someone here with whom i could chat made me much more hopeless and more suicidal…..
Idk maybe its the universe sensing me a notice that I am not made for this world that I can't even have an interaction online that it is finally time to leave this world and die….

 

[Whale_bones]

I wasn't around for this site back then but so many replies are saying the same, that things were different in the past, that this place was better, etc etc. Do you think SaSu could ever go back to the way it was? I can't say whether the past was better, I've heard good and bad things. I like that the Recovery section exists and I'm pretty sure it didn't in the past. However, I am asking if the good parts of the past can ever be brought back. It almost makes me nostalgic for something I never experienced. Surely it's possible? Or is this one of those things where no matter what it just can't be replicated?

I've been here since early 2020, so not quite as long as SpanishLullaby, but I remember seeing posts like this (saying the forum has changed, it's not the same, etc.) since I joined. Even 5 years ago, there were people feeling nostalgic for the way things had been, or feeling alone/othered, while at the same time there were lots of other people who felt a sense of community and comfort here. I think it's always been that way.

Members do come and go, it's the nature of any forum, but especially one like this one. So some notable personalities have left, but we still have plenty of great people here who make this feel like a community, like @whywere. And I could list lots of others too; the forum was smaller at the start, so maybe that contributed to people feeling like they knew one another more. But there's still good people around now.

The reason I posted this today was because in the last few weeks I suffered a lot, I even tried to call the damn suicide hotline where nobody picked the phone. All I wanted was not to be alone in these dark moments so I did post on sasu about my pain I even begged for help if anyone could maybe listen or just be there but none of my posts got even one single response so today after once again i went through hell i did another post and again nothing then I felt even more isolated and lonely and in general completely lost because I though at least here I have a warm place with nice people with whom i might chat about everything something I can't do irl because i have no friends no partner and with family I can't talk about my suicide plans.

Idk maybe its the universe sensing me a notice that I am not made for this world that I can't even have an interaction online that it is finally time to leave this world and die….

I'm really sorry you're feeling so bad, and I can atleast let you know I felt your pain reading this, even if I don't know if me saying that will make you feel any better. I hope you don't feel like it's a message from the universe, there's a lot of reasons that people don't reply, and sometimes they don't want to say anything that would make you feel any worse. Sometimes the chat is better if you're hoping for a quick reply, there's usually people in there.

 

[itsgone2]

I also dont think times are the same. Just like pre-Covid and post-Covid times are different. You just cant go back.

This might be the key. Nothing is better post-Covid. Nothing.

 

[Alpacachino]

There is one person I believe is a GOOGLE AI...I dare NOT say any usernames!!!

Expect all social media sites to be flooded with AI chat bots in the future. At the rate AI technology is progressing, we will see an influx of those bots masquerading as users. The worst part is these bots will be able to act more human than actual humans. They'll show empathy, they'll interact well with you, they'll DM you,post threads. Just watch. You can Quote this post in a few years

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

I mean I want to try to respond, even to those that I fundamentally disagree with, but how can I? I have a pretty unique view of life, even for someone who is on this forum. I'm trying as hard as I can with the knowledge that I have.

Escort as in escort to dignitas? Like a plane trip with someone who wanted to help and wanted to make sure you're okay? because you know I disagree with the other type of escort (prostitute) personally and I don't think it's a good thing if that happened.

 

[_Vasa&Me_]

Wow… this thread sure is something else, I guess it's best to approach it in points.

Firstly I find the "conspiracy" part hilarious, like sure, without a doubt there are certain ppl who fall under the said category, but majority? Or enough to have a sizeable impact on the community? Thats just silly

Secondly, I completely agree about certain people putting no real effort into their posts and then somehow getting lots of attention, or someone "known" inside the community posts and everyone flocks to them, meanwhile someone else is writing their heart out while sobbing and begging for someone to talk to with a post literally below the "popular" one and getting absolutely no attention, its soulcrushing and can lead to even more emotional harm for the poster.

Lastly I think a change from this "anti-social" community behaviour starts with each individual, especially those who themselves post, get responses, but rarely give back to others (you know who you are). Yes I understand that you might not have the energy, but at least do anything back, because they sure did push themselves for you. The last point is especially shameful imo, we really should do better in that regard.

So yeah… in a nutshell, next time you see a post with 20+ replies, instead of making another samey comment, how about you go check out the one above/below it with 0 replies and make that persons day by being there and listening? Do not abandon them like they were in high school, or by society at large, because if there is one place they should not be abandoned, it would be HERE.

 

[OzymandiAsh]

I disagree with virtually all of the criticisms made here about SaSu. I think this community and site is great, and I am grateful to have one.

 

[rozeske]

I believe sometimes it's more emotionally draining to offer help or try and connect on a deeper level what with everything people got going in their real life. Might get easier to simply read or just use reactions. Understanding that i usually post not expecting much in return but find it helps tremendously to just put my thoughts out there and of course it's a plus when i find people engaging with reactions or comments. I also personally find it easier to engage in discussions regarding methods. Most of my post count is from discussion regarding methods because it's about the only thing that makes sense to my brain these days and only thing that helps me cope.