Why are ugly people expected to just accept it and move on? Why live like this when I can destroy this disgusting body that I was forced to exist in

[Siamese Believe]

How you look matters a lot, I'd be stuck with this crappy body for many many decades if I didn't intend to ctb. I didn't get a say in how I looked, just like I didn't a choice when it came to my family, my class, my height, my IQ, or my lack of neurotypicality. I want to be one of the high IQ, tall attractive guys with all the cash and the successful career. I want the mass admiration of my looks from women, I want all the benefits of pretty privilege. Life is so amazing when you're handsome and wealthy.

I know it sounds vain, but why should I be content with settling for this trash life as an ugly male? When I know that there's so much better out there. I'm told that I should be grateful because there's people that don't even have clean water, food, internet, housing. But this argument never works, it does nothing for me. Your chance of being born was incredibly low, you had to beat millions of other potential people for the chance of being born. As far as we know, we only get once chance at life. This is the shit life I got, ugly, short, autistic, low IQ, wholly physically undesirable. And I'm told to accept that and make the most of it.

What do I gain out of making the most of it? I will forever watch as other men get to live the life that I have always wanted. I envision my perfect dream life sometimes, it is so much nicer than the life I have now, I can't even begin to describe it. It is absolutely beautiful and words cannot describe how utterly breathtaking it is. Sometime I get lost in day dreams about it.

I can't even play games that envision my ideal life too much because it brings me great sorrow, stardew valley for example. Incredibly fun and addicting, but painful to play. The music, the atmosphere, the settings, the npcs… it stings.

 

[martyrdom]

Life is so amazing when you're handsome

No it isnt. What has even made you think this? Hopefully not incel looksmaxxing bullshit.

 

[Bruce]

I want to be one of the high IQ, tall attractive guys with all the cash and the successful career.

I have yet to see one of these creatures with a high IQ.

 

[U. A.]

Literally everyone is expected to accept "it".
Women are expected to accept violent misogyny from men.
Minorities are expected to accept horrible oppression from government.
Disabled people are expected to accept eugenics from the medical system and basically all able-bodied people.
Yeah humans give preferential treatment to those in line with current beauty standards but this isn't some niche or unique suffering. Lots of "ugly" people are wildly successful in whatever avenue of life; career, "love" (which to you sounds like "getting laid"), whatever else.

 

[Bruce]

Literally everyone is expected to accept "it".
Women are expected to accept violent misogyny from men.
Minorities are expected to accept horrible oppression from government.
Disabled people are expected to accept eugenics from the medical system and basically all able-bodied people.
Yeah humans give preferential treatment to those in line with current beauty standards but this isn't some niche or unique suffering. Lots of "ugly" people are wildly successful in whatever avenue of life; career, "love" (which to you sounds like "getting laid"), whatever else.

Wait, what do you mean by all that? I don't expect women or minorities or disabled people to expect that. I expect everyone to fight for what is right. I did it most of my life. I'm running out of gas, I can't wait to CTB, but I'm not expecting all that from those people.

 

[Tautochrome]

I get it. Why put in so much effort, try to make something out of what you're given, when you're not happy with the basic, foundational aspects of yourself, when you feel awful in your own skin. For the principle that life is worth pursuing no matter what?

 

[Forg]

Life is so unfair. Has anyone else ever felt like everyone has some special quality and you have nothing, like you're inferior to everyone else?

 

[ForeverSubhuman]

Sorry brother the world is just not cut for us

Life is so unfair. Has anyone else ever felt like everyone has some special quality and you have nothing, like you're inferior to everyone else?

Yes. Like if I even have an obituary what positive things would they put in it?

 

[WeDontKnowTheFuture]

Beauty is a subjective thing, well there are the aesthetic criteria of society with models and so one but this is not real beauty. There are infinite variations of physical bodies ( if we include the person not yet born and the deceased one )and they are all shape by harmonious shape from nature so unless you are disfigured, you cannot be objectively ugly. It is all a matter of taste. If you think you're ugly you're most likely to appear it for other peoples cause your self perception will influence the impression you give off. being wealthy and handsome according to society standards will defintely not make someone happy. Happiness come from meaningful relationship, projects, health,...

 

[ForeverSubhuman]

Beauty is a subjective thing, well there are the aesthetic criteria of society with models and so one but this is not real beauty. There are infinite variations of physical bodies ( if we include the person not yet born and the deceased one )and they are all shape by harmonious shape from nature so unless you are disfigured, you cannot be objectively ugly. It is all a matter of taste. If you think you're ugly you're most likely to appear it for other people cause your self perception will influence the impression you give off. being wealthy and handsome according to society standards will defintely not make someone happy. Happiness come from meaningful relationship, projects, health,...

It comes from both.

 

[WeDontKnowTheFuture]

It comes from both.

how can you argue then than a lot of beautiful people, according to standard, and wealthy people still are unhappy and kill themselve. What makes the difference is charisma definitely not the shape of your head or nose.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

In order for there to be winners, there has to be losers... that's how this pointless game is designed. (and that's for all sentient life).

I agree with the general premise here, that I will neatly sum up as "I can't lose, if I refuse to play"...

People who tell you that you get what you deserve in this life, or you get what you earn etc etc... It's gaslighting. It's simply not always true. The game is rigged against many people. Dressing that up as an opportunity for "personal growth" or "character building" is insulting to many people's intelligence or lived experience.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Literally everyone is expected to accept "it".
Women are expected to accept violent misogyny from men.
Minorities are expected to accept horrible oppression from government.
Disabled people are expected to accept eugenics from the medical system and basically all able-bodied people.

What? Not the same, not even remotely.

 

[SeekingSerenity]

What? Not the same, not even remotely.

How's it not even remotely the same?

 

[badatparties]

The game is rigged, the only winning move is not to play. I'm not a gnostic, but they were definitely right in their basic views on life, the OG antinatalists.

 

[U. A.]

What? Not the same, not even remotely.

You're right; men who are only deemed somewhat unattractive but are of their location's racial majority and also able-bodied are in a far more fortunate position than someone in the rest of those groups.

 

[SanagiMezamete]

It doesn't sound vain to me at all. I don't think people are obligated to feel happy or content if they don't have the life they want, whatever that life may be. People just don't want to deal with others' problems and the vast majority are some level of Social Darwinists without realizing it, so they will tell you the equivalent of "go away and stop complaining" in less direct terms.

I agree with martyrdom that good looks don't guarantee a good life, not even a little bit, but I do think bad looks generally preclude certain happy and "normal" lifestyles like having a typical dating experience or finding/keeping friends easily. A lot of people don't want to believe that looks affect how people treat you but they do. Ugly people of all races, sexes, and cultures are inherently disliked and trusted less by humans on a biological level and have been since the beginning. People just don't like to be around them. Whether it's interpersonal relationships, legal outcomes, or just how the cashier at the store treats you. That's what I mean about the Darwinism; we're hard wired to surround ourselves with beauty and to push away ugliness. It's an evolutionary thing. But it's a really unpleasant truth and people don't want to believe that life is so unfair so they cover their eyes and turn away. Ofc, they don't have an obligation to care, but you have a right to feel this way and to express it.

Not to say ugly people can't be happy or have a normal life either, but it's usually an uphill battle.

I relate to the thing about media depicting a happy life often upsetting me. Stardew Valley doesn't usually do that to me but it's why I never play life sims or watch a lot of movies/tv. I miss the days when I could feel happy seeing those kinds of things. These days it makes me happier to experience media which is unrelated to my own personal insecurities but still happy, or at least engaging and emotionally impactful.

 

[davestrider]

i completely understand. obviously being beautiful won't miraculously solve someone's problems, but anyone who looks upwards of decent can't understand what it's like to be overlooked and ridiculed non-stop because you're unattractive or fat. an enormous number of people in the world will constantly look down on you and refuse to take you seriously if they don't consider you physically attractive, and one only really recognises the extent of the problem once they've faced it for themselves and seen how they're treated by others in social settings versus how someone who's average to good looking is treated in the same situations.

 

[Dejected 55]

I wouldn't underline looks (whether subjective or objective) as being the single criteria determining success. It is true that pretty people also have problems, sometimes worse/different ones than non-pretty people... and it's also true that non-pretty people can have success and lives.

If you are rich and powerful, you can be ugly... and I mean "ugly" not just in the sense of how you look but how you are on the inside. The most disgusting people who have money and power get away with shit that poor pretty people can't even sniff. If you think for a few seconds you can come up with some very easy examples of this.

The bigger truth is... whatever thing that is holding you back is your biggest problem to deal with in the moment. This is true for everyone. It's just that some problems are "easier" for lack of a better word to deal with than others. You can exercise to gain muscle and get stronger if you don't have an underlying condition that prevents this... so you can compete with other people physically in that way. You can study and learn and do brain exercises to compete with smarter people. There are cosmetic surgeries and makeup and clothes that can level some appearance-related playfields as well.

But, if you are really dumb... or society deems you especially physically unattractive... society at large will make it harder for you. By the same token, some of the smartest people in the world feel isolated because people are threatened or just don't understand them and finding peers for social company is tough for them. The most societal agreed pretty people (male and female) are often underestimated for their looks, judged because of people thinking they have it "easy" in life, and they can feel their own isolation too.

On a microcosm, if its ugly dude vs handsome dude in a beauty contest, then yeah... the handsome one is probably going to have a major advantage. But those are very specific situations that cater to that. The rest of the time, it's really hard to say who has it easier on average if you pile up all the good and the bad.

I see lonely pretty people... I see non-pretty people who seem to have good lives. Some poor people are really making the best of things, and some rich people are depressed.

Generalizations are one thing... but absolutes are never a good idea.

 

[AcuteToxicity]

How you look matters a lot, I'd be stuck with this crappy body for many many decades if I didn't intend to ctb. I didn't get a say in how I looked, just like I didn't a choice when it came to my family, my class, my height, my IQ, or my lack of neurotypicality. I want to be one of the high IQ, tall attractive guys with all the cash and the successful career. I want the mass admiration of my looks from women, I want all the benefits of pretty privilege. Life is so amazing when you're handsome and wealthy.

I know it sounds vain, but why should I be content with settling for this trash life as an ugly male? When I know that there's so much better out there. I'm told that I should be grateful because there's people that don't even have clean water, food, internet, housing. But this argument never works, it does nothing for me. Your chance of being born was incredibly low, you had to beat millions of other potential people for the chance of being born. As far as we know, we only get once chance at life. This is the shit life I got, ugly, short, autistic, low IQ, wholly physically undesirable. And I'm told to accept that and make the most of it.

What do I gain out of making the most of it? I will forever watch as other men get to live the life that I have always wanted. I envision my perfect dream life sometimes, it is so much nicer than the life I have now, I can't even begin to describe it. It is absolutely beautiful and words cannot describe how utterly breathtaking it is. Sometime I get lost in day dreams about it.

I can't even play games that envision my ideal life too much because it brings me great sorrow, stardew valley for example. Incredibly fun and addicting, but painful to play. The music, the atmosphere, the settings, the npcs… it stings.

Life isn't easier when you are tall, thin, and pretty, but it definitely fucking helps. It wouldn't matter for the voices of self doubt and wisdom. If you want to die now, you'd want to die in that alternative universe where you are *just handsome*.


Hugs from oregon man, I feel you though as a fat butterface mfer.

 

[ForeverSubhuman]

how can you argue then than a lot of beautiful people, according to standard, and wealthy people still are unhappy and kill themselve. What makes the difference is charisma definitely not the shape of your head or nose.

they both matter. Everybodies different too.

 

[coldworld]

hmmm as i always say, a trip to turkey is like $10k, but suicide is free (mostly)!!