Why are suicide discussions always shut down on many internet forums?

[olvalgon]

I frequent many internet forums and it seems that in most of them, discussing suicide leads to getting the topic removed and/or a warning that further suicide threads will lead to a ban.

Why is this? Do they not realize that by doing this, you further make people isolated and more suicidal?

Is it a legality issue?

 

[sighplus10]

some forums simply don't want to deal with certain topics much like politics and religion, others believe letting people freely discuss suicide without preventing them from saying anything that can be construed as encouraging or "pro-choicey" in regards to suicide will cause people to kill themselves, and they believe we can't have that in this world because "life is sacred"

 

[chocolatebar]

I think part of this is due to juridical concerns, because being convenient or encouraging suicide is illegal in most places and the interpretation of what it means to encourage someone is taken by a judge's mind.

 

[BobMorane]

I think it's got to due with people writing about methods. Thats what's not allowed. And people often break that rule so the post gets deleted by mods. That's what happened with SS/reddit I think.

 

[whywere]

I wonder if the core issue is a biological one where procurement of the species is number 1. Living and reproducing the next generation is core hard wired into all life on this rock.

Now add on top of that religion, different sets of values and beliefs and then suicide is a no, no. People either on their own or by societies virtue think that suicide is wrong and speaking of it is wrong.

Hopefully we will progress enough to over come this way of thinking AND let people think and act for themselves along with media becoming a fair and level place for all to discuss.

Walter

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Out of sight, out of mind.

I know facebook in particular has very strict rules. In many chronic illness support groups, you cannot even mention the word suicide or you will be banned and have your posts removed.

Most platforms have very sanitised and censored dogmas about suicide. It is not uncommon for someone to fear that their group, server, message board, etc will be taken down if someone mentions ctb in a non-pg, no sugarcoating manner. (Such as sharing honest feelings rather than posting the same 2 hotline numbers over and over again)

The discussion of how to deal with suicidality has been astroturfed by individuals with no firsthand experience of the despair we endure. Instead, technocrats, psychiatrists, and acquaintances of those who have died of suicide- rather than suicidal people themselves- have control over how we express ourselves.

It is funny, we have all these suicide awareness and prevention campaigns, yet no platform outside of SS actually allows suicidal people to vent freely. Those in charge of prevention measures don't want to actually want to be aware of the real issues, only a watered down, diluted version of what they think suicidality is.

 

[imamess]

people are afraid of the unknown, simple as that

 

[Versailles]

Out of sight, out of mind.

I know facebook in particular has very strict rules. In many chronic illness support groups, you cannot even mention the word suicide or you will be banned and have your posts removed.

Most platforms have very sanitised and censored dogmas about suicide. It is not uncommon for someone to fear that their group, server, message board, etc will be taken down if someone mentions ctb in a non-pg, no sugarcoating manner. (Such as sharing honest feelings rather than posting the same 2 hotline numbers over and over again)

The discussion of how to deal with suicidality has been astroturfed by individuals with no firsthand experience of the despair we endure. Instead, technocrats, psychiatrists, and acquaintances of those who have died of suicide- rather than suicidal people themselves- have control over how we express ourselves.

It is funny, we have all these suicide awareness and prevention campaigns, yet no platform outside of SS actually allows suicidal people to vent freely. Those in charge of prevention measures don't want to actually want to be aware of the real issues, only a watered down, diluted version of what they think suicidality is.

Internet rules sweat me, MEME, which is the closest thing to a Latin version of SS, was born from Facebook, where there are more than a thousand members in the group, if you use terminology like CTB and avoid publishing gore content, groups like this it can exist for a long time. As my signature says ...

 

[Lost Magic]

Because suicide and death are taboo subjects in general. Mainstream society is afraid to face their mortality (to their detriment).

 

[lostangel]

Out of sight, out of mind.

I know facebook in particular has very strict rules. In many chronic illness support groups, you cannot even mention the word suicide or you will be banned and have your posts removed.

Most platforms have very sanitised and censored dogmas about suicide. It is not uncommon for someone to fear that their group, server, message board, etc will be taken down if someone mentions ctb in a non-pg, no sugarcoating manner. (Such as sharing honest feelings rather than posting the same 2 hotline numbers over and over again)

The discussion of how to deal with suicidality has been astroturfed by individuals with no firsthand experience of the despair we endure. Instead, technocrats, psychiatrists, and acquaintances of those who have died of suicide- rather than suicidal people themselves- have control over how we express ourselves.

It is funny, we have all these suicide awareness and prevention campaigns, yet no platform outside of SS actually allows suicidal people to vent freely. Those in charge of prevention measures don't want to actually want to be aware of the real issues, only a watered down, diluted version of what they think suicidality is.

In your own words what do you think the ''real issues'' are?

 

[NormaJeane]

In Sweden the rules are tough on the Internet forums, if you start to discuss a method of suicide, the post will be deleted and you will get turned off the forum. A man wrote about a failed hanging and was shut down immediately from Flashback. But then people will only get more lonely with their anxety.

 

[Lost Magic]

In Sweden the rules are tough on the Internet forums, if you start to discuss a method of suicide, the post will be deleted and you will get turned off the forum. A man wrote about a failed hanging and was shut down immediately from Flashback. But then people will only get more lonely with their anxety.

We are so lucky to have this forum. I just love being able to share my feelings to people who get it.

 

[FuneralCry]

Because society wants to keep us alive at all costs. Censorship will not reduce suicides, it will just make people more desperate and isolated. The only way for society to reduce suicide is to focus on what makes people suicidal in the first place. I think if people were allowed to discuss suicide more openly, it would shatter the delusion that many people hold that life is always worth living. People do not want to accept the fact that things can get that bad that somebody wants to leave this world.

 

[Marktheghost]

Why do they object to discussing methods that don't work so you know what not to do? Would they really prefer you to end up paralysed from a failed attempt than risk you trying a method likely to work instead?

 

[Tamz]

I also think it is based on fear and possible interpretation of encouragement. I think encouragement is seen in various ways really. Professionals also have a duty of care so I would assume websites would need some part of that too. Largely, I think it is fear and myths.

 

[deadverysoon]

Out of sight, out of mind.

I know facebook in particular has very strict rules. In many chronic illness support groups, you cannot even mention the word suicide or you will be banned and have your posts removed.

Most platforms have very sanitised and censored dogmas about suicide. It is not uncommon for someone to fear that their group, server, message board, etc will be taken down if someone mentions ctb in a non-pg, no sugarcoating manner. (Such as sharing honest feelings rather than posting the same 2 hotline numbers over and over again)

The discussion of how to deal with suicidality has been astroturfed by individuals with no firsthand experience of the despair we endure. Instead, technocrats, psychiatrists, and acquaintances of those who have died of suicide- rather than suicidal people themselves- have control over how we express ourselves.

It is funny, we have all these suicide awareness and prevention campaigns, yet no platform outside of SS actually allows suicidal people to vent freely. Those in charge of prevention measures don't want to actually want to be aware of the real issues, only a watered down, diluted version of what they think suicidality is.

just - yes...

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

In your own words what do you think the ''real issues'' are?

I think chronic suicidality is the biggest one. The idea that someone can want to die for years, if not decades, shatters the narrative that suicide is a permanent solution to a "temporary" problem.

Most prevention strategies only focus on acute short-term mitigation, thinking that if someone has been talked down for the night, it will somehow be the impetus for broader change in the days to follow- this script is the gospel to all the crisis and chat lines. Remember, they view suicide as a one-off crisis rather than a long lasting misery that can plague one for years or a lifetime.

This approach treats the suicidal person as not being in their right mind, and ignores any socioeconomic factors, health concerns, and relationship dynamics that might throw them right back into the hole.

Refusal to acknowledge these environmental forces is another huge issue that I think is being swept by the wayside in an attempt to label the individual as the problem. You're the mentally ill one, there's nothing sinister about the conditions that made you feel this way in the first place, type rhetoric.

When I tried to ctb a few days ago, the cops and medical staff who barged into my house and insisted on talking me keep insinuating I was not in my right state of mind, that I needed to talk to a doctor and be pushed through for antidepressants and counseling. I'm not depressed, but they had a caricature in their heads already of what a suicidal person looks like.

This one size fits all approach only makes people more isolated and ostracised when their problems do not fit into the confines of what you are allowed to say. People want you to admit to irrationality or inability to build resilience. They don't want to hear things like, "I am suicidal because there are no treatments for my condition and no government will help me."

If people would stop ignoring the reasons that cause others to be suicidal in the first place (Piss poor healthcare in the realms of both mental and physical ailments, in particular, stands out to me) and simply let those who are hurting speak their minds, I think that would open the door for potential solutions to issues that aren't being addressed, and right to die for the truly hopeless whose pain is being silenced in favor of purporting the temporary problem slant.

 

[deepinlimbo]

I think chronic suicidality is the biggest one. The idea that someone can want to die for years, if not decades, shatters the narrative that suicide is a permanent solution to a "temporary" problem.

Most prevention strategies only focus on acute short-term mitigation, thinking that if someone has been talked down for the night, it will somehow be the impetus for broader change in the days to follow- this script is the gospel to all the crisis and chat lines. Remember, they view suicide as a one-off crisis rather than a long lasting misery that can plague one for years or a lifetime.

This approach treats the suicidal person as not being in their right mind, and ignores any socioeconomic factors, health concerns, and relationship dynamics that might throw them right back into the hole.

Refusal to acknowledge these environmental forces is another huge issue that I think is being swept by the wayside in an attempt to label the individual as the problem. You're the mentally ill one, there's nothing sinister about the conditions that made you feel this way in the first place, type rhetoric.

When I tried to ctb a few days ago, the cops and medical staff who barged into my house and insisted on talking me keep insinuating I was not in my right state of mind, that I needed to talk to a doctor and be pushed through for antidepressants and counseling. I'm not depressed, but they had a caricature in their heads already of what a suicidal person looks like.

This one size fits all approach only makes people more isolated and ostracised when their problems do not fit into the confines of what you are allowed to say. People want you to admit to irrationality or inability to build resilience. They don't want to hear things like, "I am suicidal because there are no treatments for my condition and no government will help me."

If people would stop ignoring the reasons that cause others to be suicidal in the first place (Piss poor healthcare in the realms of both mental and physical ailments, in particular, stands out to me) and simply let those who are hurting speak their minds, I think that would open the door for potential solutions to issues that aren't being addressed, and right to die for the truly hopeless whose pain is being silenced in favor of purporting the temporary problem slant.

Very well spoken.

 

[stupidmansuit]

Because it runs contrary to corporate/capitalistic goals for people to talk about it, need more wage slaves that simply 'cope'

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

I think chronic suicidality is the biggest one. The idea that someone can want to die for years, if not decades, shatters the narrative that suicide is a permanent solution to a "temporary" problem.

Most prevention strategies only focus on acute short-term mitigation, thinking that if someone has been talked down for the night, it will somehow be the impetus for broader change in the days to follow- this script is the gospel to all the crisis and chat lines. Remember, they view suicide as a one-off crisis rather than a long lasting misery that can plague one for years or a lifetime.

This approach treats the suicidal person as not being in their right mind, and ignores any socioeconomic factors, health concerns, and relationship dynamics that might throw them right back into the hole.

Refusal to acknowledge these environmental forces is another huge issue that I think is being swept by the wayside in an attempt to label the individual as the problem. You're the mentally ill one, there's nothing sinister about the conditions that made you feel this way in the first place, type rhetoric.

When I tried to ctb a few days ago, the cops and medical staff who barged into my house and insisted on talking me keep insinuating I was not in my right state of mind, that I needed to talk to a doctor and be pushed through for antidepressants and counseling. I'm not depressed, but they had a caricature in their heads already of what a suicidal person looks like.

This one size fits all approach only makes people more isolated and ostracised when their problems do not fit into the confines of what you are allowed to say. People want you to admit to irrationality or inability to build resilience. They don't want to hear things like, "I am suicidal because there are no treatments for my condition and no government will help me."

If people would stop ignoring the reasons that cause others to be suicidal in the first place (Piss poor healthcare in the realms of both mental and physical ailments, in particular, stands out to me) and simply let those who are hurting speak their minds, I think that would open the door for potential solutions to issues that aren't being addressed, and right to die for the truly hopeless whose pain is being silenced in favor of purporting the temporary problem slant.

100%. Most suicidal people, perhaps the overwhelming majority even, will however become acutely depressed due to something temporary that's "blown out of proportion"--from the perspective of the majority. It's a really good strategy to push on whatever percentage of us that have wanted to die for 3, 4, 5+ years. I do know that my own personal reason for CTB is treated as some minor problem (by many users on here, even). People that are breathing air don't know how hard it is to go without it, a fish doesn't know water, etc.