Why are people against euthanasia?

[newave3]

All citizens of the world, even those under oppressive governments, talk about and fight for their rights.
There is one right all of us need—THE RIGHT TO DIE A PEACEFUL DEATH.
Outside of the Netherlands,Belgium, Colombia, Luxembourg, Western Australia,Canada and some US states, it is illegal. Even in the countries I just listed where it is legal it is too restrictive.
Pentobarbital alone or in combination with other drugs to facilitate and ease the dying process should be inexpensive and readily available to any person in any country that wants to no longer live. It is our
Proprietary right as human beings to die with dignity.

End of rant

 

[Meditation guide]

think this could only work if they have spect machines to determine if people really have chronic illnesses vs people that want to go because its a "trend" or because

It's easy to see by medical records if people have chronic illnesses. Don't you think it should be the decision of each individual for whatever reason, instead of a set of judges making that decision?

 

[Superdeterminist]

I think this could only work if they have spect machines to determine if people really have chronic illnesses vs people that want to go because its a "trend" or because they're in a temporary rough spot....this will prove that the person really has a illness that may be incurable..1 year would be enough to determine this 6 months of natural supplements + therapy, if that doesnt work 6 months of medication and obviously since u tried everything you could throughout that whole year, you should get the green light to go..this would prove to pro lifers the person really tried everything they could without any relief and this would protect the operation from being shutdown...obviously funding it would be questionable but this will never happen so whatever

Why aren't "temporary rough spots" or "wanting to follow a trend" valid reasons to ctb? If someone really wants to, does the reason really matter? Why stop them?

 

[Bigpink]

All citizens of the world, even those under oppressive governments, talk about and fight for their rights.
There is one right all of us need—THE RIGHT TO DIE A PEACEFUL DEATH.
Outside of the Netherlands,Belgium, Colombia, Luxembourg, Western Australia,Canada and some US states, it is illegal. Even in the countries I just listed where it is legal it is too restrictive.
Pentobarbital alone or in combination with other drugs to facilitate and ease the dying process should be inexpensive and readily available to any person in any country that wants to no longer live. It is our
Proprietary right as human beings to die with dignity.

End of rant

Exactly. Why should we have to resort to desperate and barbaric methods?

 

[Meditation guide]

Our bodies are not owned by us apparently. We are supposed to not kill ourselves. Makes no sense.

 

[262653]

Why aren't "temporary rough spots" or "wanting to follow a trend" valid reasons to ctb? If someone really wants to, does the reason really matter? Why stop them?

Could be personal interest.
If I would want to keep someone alive, I could say that they're not in a sound mind, or that they would burn in hell, or that things will get better. If I'm the one wanting to die, then I'd focus on the body autonomy arguments. It's my body, my life, and my choice to make. If I dislike my life, then I have the right to rid myself from it, just like I would dispose of a rotten apple.

I think it's important to keep in mind the intention behind arguments. That a person might use certain arguments not because they're sound or valid or relevant, but because they're expected to convince the other party to choose a particular course of action, to adopt a certain kind of belief or attitude, that is beneficial for the arguer.

 

[gnomeboy17]

Why aren't "temporary rough spots" or "wanting to follow a trend" valid reasons to ctb? If someone really wants to, does the reason really matter? Why stop them?

Exactly!! Pain is pain and it doesn't matter how long it will last because it's still severe pain. I agree they should try and discourage people if they've been suicidal less than a year, but once your passed that recovery is difficult and becomes less likely every year.

And I definitely agree that if someone wants to the reasons etc, shouldn't matter because we should have a right to die

 

[Mer]

Why are people against euthanasia?​

Because the dead can't produce taxes or more children (and therefore more future wage slaves). The machine requires cheap labor; more unskilled people = cheap labor. If the peasants start killing themselves off more than usual, the government and other powers-that-be will freak out and screech "but who will pay for social security if you don't have kids?!" (cause the dead can't reproduce anymore). They try to scare us into living and having kids to feed that machine.

Some will try to argue that they're against it for religious reasons, but those reasons tend to end up being the same as the secular reasons, just described with different words.

After all, a dead Christian/Muslim/whatever can't spread their faith anymore. Nor can they produce anymore children to be indoctrinated into the faith. So the major religions rely on the myth of hell (or something like it) into scaring people into staying alive. More followers = more power for that faith.

And lastly I think a part of it is actually jealousy: Some people would love to be able to escape our current reality, but are too scared to CTB, so they try to convince themselves and everyone else around them from doing the same. When a friend or family member commits suicide, they get pissed because deep down they know the dead person is the one that is truly free.

Basically, suicide along with being anti-natalist = the ultimate escape from bullshit that our governments and religions force upon us. Thus, the masses are brainwashed into demonizing it.

 

[Buffy5120]

Why aren't "temporary rough spots" or "wanting to follow a trend" valid reasons to ctb? If someone really wants to, does the reason really matter? Why stop them?

because the operation would be shut down by pro-lifers if they saw that many people who were granted euthanasia from the clinics, didnt at least didn't try 1 month or 2 to get better vs people who have tried over and over again but failed for many years, ( which btw brain scans would show this and prove them wrong/shut them up). I'm only saying this to protect the procedure from being shut down, I obviously would let anyone who wants to ctb I would grant them that, but like "justnanotherhuman6" said "Exactly!! Pain is pain and it doesn't matter how long it will last because it's still severe pain. I agree they should try and discourage people if they've been suicidal less than a year, but once your passed that recovery is difficult and becomes less likely every year.

All im trying do is protect euthanasia rights from pro-lifers....in order to "shut them up" and protect the operation from shutting down, you have to at least have proof that these people who ctb from it tried to get better at least a couple months to to 1 year, and also brain scans verify that these people were really suffering from incurable illnesses. the scans help people that have invisible illnesses which are obviously mental, show pro-lifers they had a logical reason to ctb, and they even went threw a trial to get better, and it "still" didnt work so this should be enough to shut pro-lifers up, ban them from protesting against it, and legelize euthanasia...but yeah this will never happen this was just an idea...

It's easy to see by medical records if people have chronic illnesses. Don't you think it should be the decision of each individual for whatever reason, instead of a set of judges making that decision?

It should be the decisions of the individual exactly I actually know a guy who right now applied for euthanasia, but actually changed his mind. He told me he wanted to give life more time and the doctor who does the euthanasia told him try to see if life can get better and if not then he can come back. He said hes going to try to move to Spain give a year. He has tinnitus and hypacusis like me thats his reasoning he wants to get it.

 

[profoundexperience]

Because the dead can't produce taxes or more children (and therefore more future wage slaves). The machine requires cheap labor; more unskilled people = cheap labor. If the peasants start killing themselves off more than usual, the government and other powers-that-be will freak out and screech "but who will pay for social security if you don't have kids?!" (cause the dead can't reproduce anymore). They try to scare us into living and having kids to feed that machine.

Some will try to argue that they're against it for religious reasons, but those reasons tend to end up being the same as the secular reasons, just described with different words.

After all, a dead Christian/Muslim/whatever can't spread their faith anymore. Nor can they produce anymore children to be indoctrinated into the faith. So the major religions rely on the myth of hell (or something like it) into scaring people into staying alive. More followers = more power for that faith.

And lastly I think a part of it is actually jealousy: Some people would love to be able to escape our current reality, but are too scared to CTB, so they try to convince themselves and everyone else around them from doing the same. When a friend or family member commits suicide, they get pissed because deep down they know the dead person is the one that is truly free.

Basically, suicide along with being anti-natalist = the ultimate escape from bullshit that our governments and religions force upon us. Thus, the masses are brainwashed into demonizing it.

Very well said, @Mer! And nothing I can see in there, imho, doesn't trace back to, "What's in it for Me?" And they say suicide is "selfish"...

 

[Buffy5120]

Because the dead can't produce taxes or more children (and therefore more future wage slaves). The machine requires cheap labor; more unskilled people = cheap labor. If the peasants start killing themselves off more than usual, the government and other powers-that-be will freak out and screech "but who will pay for social security if you don't have kids?!" (cause the dead can't reproduce anymore). They try to scare us into living and having kids to feed that machine.

Some will try to argue that they're against it for religious reasons, but those reasons tend to end up being the same as the secular reasons, just described with different words.

After all, a dead Christian/Muslim/whatever can't spread their faith anymore. Nor can they produce anymore children to be indoctrinated into the faith. So the major religions rely on the myth of hell (or something like it) into scaring people into staying alive. More followers = more power for that faith.

And lastly I think a part of it is actually jealousy: Some people would love to be able to escape our current reality, but are too scared to CTB, so they try to convince themselves and everyone else around them from doing the same. When a friend or family member commits suicide, they get pissed because deep down they know the dead person is the one that is truly free.

Basically, suicide along with being anti-natalist = the ultimate escape from bullshit that our governments and religions force upon us. Thus, the masses are brainwashed into demonizing it.

this is so so true!

 

[Superdeterminist]

because the operation would be shut down by pro-lifers if they saw that many people who were granted euthanasia from the clinics, didnt at least didn't try 1 month or 2 to get better vs people who have tried over and over again but failed for many years, ( which btw brain scans would show this and prove them wrong/shut them up). I'm only saying this to protect the procedure from being shut down, I obviously would let anyone who wants to ctb I would grant them that, but like "justnanotherhuman6" said "Exactly!! Pain is pain and it doesn't matter how long it will last because it's still severe pain. I agree they should try and discourage people if they've been suicidal less than a year, but once your passed that recovery is difficult and becomes less likely every year.

All im trying do is protect euthanasia rights from pro-lifers....in order to "shut them up" and protect the operation from shutting down, you have to at least have proof that these people who ctb from it tried to get better at least a couple months to to 1 year, and also brain scans verify that these people were really suffering from incurable illnesses. the scans help people that have invisible illnesses which are obviously mental, show pro-lifers they had a logical reason to ctb, and they even went threw a trial to get better, and it "still" didnt work so this should be enough to shut pro-lifers up, ban them from protesting against it, and legelize euthanasia...but yeah this will never happen this was just an idea...

It should be the decisions of the individual exactly I actually know a guy who right now applied for euthanasia, but actually changed his mind. He told me he wanted to give life more time and the doctor who does the euthanasia told him try to see if life can get better and if not then he can come back. He said hes going to try to move to Spain give a year. He has tinnitus and hypacusis like me thats his reasoning he wants to get it.

I see the point you're making with trying to appease pro-life people for practical purposes, but I'm not sure I agree with it, I don't think people should have to go through that month or two of basically pretending to make some kind of effort to 'improve' just to make them happy.

Exactly!! Pain is pain and it doesn't matter how long it will last because it's still severe pain. I agree they should try and discourage people if they've been suicidal less than a year, but once your passed that recovery is difficult and becomes less likely every year.

And I definitely agree that if someone wants to the reasons etc, shouldn't matter because we should have a right to die

I personally don't think that people should ever be discouraged per se (nor encouraged), I think they should be pointed towards potential solutions that have worked for others before, but there should be no obligation to go through with those.

 

[Buffy5120]

I see the point you're making with trying to appease pro-life people for practical purposes, but I'm not sure I agree with it, I don't think people should have to go through that month or two of basically pretending to make some kind of effort to 'improve' just to make them happy.

Yeah I 100% agree with you too its mainly to prevent them from shutting the clinics down though. If we do the process I was saying then, pro-lifers wont have anything to say when trying to ban euthanasia because theres legitimate evidence and proof, that people that ctb in the clinics, tried everything and exhausted all ways to get better. Its like a protection shield from pro-lifers. For example take a look at the abortion clinics. Pro-lifers are even now trying to shut those down as well. But I remember I saw a movie about abortion when I was a teenager and what caught my eye was mainly about how younger women who actualy had the baby, their lives turned out horrible not only for them but for the child because they didnt even have resources to provide for the child. This changed my view completely on abortion, even though I was never against it. I was young so I never once heard about it. So yeah films may help change other people's views on euthanasia. No one should ever be able to have a say on what someone should do with their life, simply because, those people have never lived their life or been in their shoes, but of course theres always pro-lifers intervening with this, and I noticed many people who are "pro-life" for the most part have never been through any type of grief or suffering. They are completely self centered brainwashed idiots like fixt26 for example. But yeah films really do help change perspectives on things because people can actually see what happens with their own eyes. If there was a film on euthanasia, I bet it may even help get it legalized, but like "mer" said its tricky and only harder because it involves money via her last post.

 

[262653]

And lastly I think a part of it is actually jealousy: Some people would love to be able to escape our current reality, but are too scared to CTB, so they try to convince themselves and everyone else around them from doing the same. When a friend or family member commits suicide, they get pissed because deep down they know the dead person is the one that is truly free.

I can already envision a meme with crabs in the bucket, where the jealous people try to pull back those who try to get out of the bucket.

 

[Thanatonaut]

You know that scene in The Matrix where all the humans are plugged in like batteries? Well it's kind of like that. Society sees us all as slaves below deck rowing, and they just want us to shut up and keep rowing.

 

[Meditation guide]

People are unthinking unfeeling zombies. The extent of their thinking goes like this:

living good, dying bad.

 

[gnomeboy17]

People are unthinking unfeeling zombies. The extent of their thinking goes like this:

living good, dying bad.

Living is only good (from their POV) if you're straight, cisgender, preferably white and preferably male. If not, then living isn't good and they won't do anything to help you want to live. They're pro life, unless you're a minority in which case they only want you for the machine and not because they care about your life

 

[Spitfire]

I think assisted suicide should be an available service free of charge for all people.

 

[suicidal257]

I think assisted suicide should be an available service free of charge for all people.

If it was available on demand with no medical papers required, it wouldn't cost so much.

 

[Spitfire]

If it was available on demand with no medical papers required, it wouldn't cost so much.

I would volunteer to help provide this as a free service for people. I am sure a lot of other people would too.

 

[Thanatonaut]

I think assisted suicide should be an available service free of charge for all people.

Check out this video from the Netherlands if you haven't seen it. The CTB part is around 22:30 if you don't want to watch the whole thing.
So jealous. Imagine just being able to relax knowing you're going to be seen off properly and peacefully. Sign me up! Will they do foreigners?

 

[gnomeboy17]

I think assisted suicide should be an available service free of charge for all people.

If conservatives brought it in, it would be at least £1000, as most people said the government would be scared of losing their labour. You could sell a kidney on the black market, you'll have no need for it anymore! j/

 

[Buffy5120]

Check out this video from the Netherlands if you haven't seen it. The CTB part is around 22:30 if you don't want to watch the whole thing.
So jealous. Imagine just being able to relax knowing you're going to be seen off properly and peacefully. Sign me up! Will they do foreigners?

Yeah I actually have the same illness as the first lady and I believe I may end up getting frontal temporal disease like the other guy its really fucked up because my memory is getting worse and im turning 25 in jan like that guys said "Im tired of fighting a disease that I know I'm not gunna beat" and so everytime I have to constantly remind myself I am not going to get better stop trying to think what if or etc...part of it is my cognitive memory is horrible i have other illnesses that 5 people were accepted for if i dont get accepted it wont make sense im 25 but pegasos accepts young its really fucked up because of my age and people think young cant have disease like older people do thats 100% not true

 

[Bauhaus]

I think it's all about power.
Docs/shrinks who play for God and have the power to decide whether you have the right to live or die.

 

[262653]

Docs/shrinks who play for God and have the power to decide whether you have the right to live or die.

Conjecture: If euthanasia would be not only legal but practically accessible, then docs/shrinks would lose a portion of their clientele, since euthanized people can't be treated anymore. And I'm assuming people don't want their job (something they specialize in) to be made redundant, just like companies that sell fuel for cars don't want electric cars (with reliable ways of recharging them) to become more widespread.