Who are the enemies of this forum?

[faex42]

Twisted pro-lifers

 

[FuneralCry]

Family members of those who have ctb. They blame this forum instead of focusing on what actually made them ctb in the in the first place.
In general just pro lifers who want to keep us alive as long as possible and do not respect the right to die and how it is a basic human right, ending our lives when we feel the time is right.
These types of people have more than likely never been suicidal, so they cannot comprehend what it is like. They cannot understand somebody being in so much pain that they do not want to exist.

 

[dead]

I sort of sympathise with people who are against this site. I'm actively suicidal and have been for almost 25 years. I've never acted upon it due to a sense of responsibility to those who would be upset if I killed myself.

Suicide is a complex issue with deep moral and societal implications. People don't want to confront the fact that society can and does fail people consistently. It's easier to say "ban the websites that cater to suicidal people"than to wrestle with the morality of suicide or to try to change fundamental issues within our culture which contribute to suicides.

I'm probably rambling but I don't see much value in being adversarial with pro-lifers. They are just understandably grief stricken and misdirecting it.

 

[motel rooms]

I don't see much value in being adversarial with pro-lifers. They are just understandably grief stricken and misdirecting it.

And heartlessly torturing people who are in excruciating pain 24/7 by denying them access to euthanasia.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/so-much-pain-my-hearts-stops.69748/#post-1276062

 

[unperson]

To be fair, the pain of losing a loved one, particularly a child, to suicide must be absolutely agonizing and unbearable. I can't blame many of the parents of Fixthe26 for feeling the way that they do. That being said, I have to wonder if the pain would be any more bearable if their child had died by hanging, jumping, or gunshot. These are the "traditional" methods of suicide, for lack of a better word. The one thing these folks have in common is that their child died by using SN, which, to be honest, most people don't know about as a method until they come on this site. That is certainly how I found out about it. Now what I'm about to say may not be very popular on here, but I'm going to say it anyway. I think we should all have a little more compassion for these people when we talk about them. They're dealing with profound grief, after all, and our loved ones will be in their exact same situation if and when we die by suicide. Note that I'm not using "ctb". I'm calling it what it is - suicide, because ctb merely trivializes it. Yes, these were adults who made the momentous decision to end their own lives, but to these parents, they will always be their children and they'll never be convinced that they were acting in their right minds. While I support our right to choose, I think we need to be a little more sensitive to those left behind who have to deal with the aftermath of a death by suicide. So, I'm suggesting that we should try to rise above the hatred and be more empathetic with the Fixthe26 folks, rather than judge them so harshly in our posts.

Hmm I kinda agree with this...

manipualtive parents , whom used to abuse their kids and exploit them for their own gain like slaves

But I realllllllllly like this one... :|

 

[Weary Soul]

I sort of sympathise with people who are against this site. I'm actively suicidal and have been for almost 25 years. I've never acted upon it due to a sense of responsibility to those who would be upset if I killed myself.

Suicide is a complex issue with deep moral and societal implications. People don't want to confront the fact that society can and does fail people consistently. It's easier to say "ban the websites that cater to suicidal people"than to wrestle with the morality of suicide or to try to change fundamental issues within our culture which contribute to suicides.

I'm probably rambling but I don't see much value in being adversarial with pro-lifers. They are just understandably grief stricken and misdirecting it.

I sympathize with people against this site as well, in the sense that I find it heartbreakingly sad that it is, IMO, needed to help those who cannot find help anywhere else. Every-single-damn-time someone takes their own life - it absolutely breaks my heart. But I do understand.

You said, "People don't want to confront the fact that society can and does fail people consistently. It's easier to say ban the websites that cater to suicidal people than to wrestle with the morality of suicide or to try to change fundamental issues within our culture which contribute to suicides."

Exactly!

Often times people hide behind thinking that we are a humane society; we are not. To force people to live, without helping them, truly helping them in the way they need, is the antithesis of a humane society. Time to put the human back into humanity in a real way - but I doubt this will actuall happen - if ever.

People do not want to confront (either as an individual or a group), their complete and utter failure at helping someone. Much easier to lambast a site than to confront their own failure. Also, I suspect (just a theory of mine), that SI does not only impact an individual, it is so very strong, that it has become group think, and a pesudo moralistic precept.

As far as changing fundamental issues - I totally agree. I don't think that (IMO) people realize that we have never really progressed beyond feudal times - while we may have a shiny new veneer, skyscrapers, and indoor bathrooms (ie, tech), that leads people to think we have progressed, fact is, we still have overloards who collect taxes, armies to fight for the overloards laws, merchants, and serfs. Today - this would be equivalent to presidents, middle class, the working class, and those who are poverty stricken.

I too do not see a benefit of fighting with so called pro-lifers. The grief they feel is likely evescerating. The only exception to this is when they become the similar to the people who drive the vulnerable here (aka bullies who attack people here).

Those who are here are already vulnerable - and this is like adding gasoline to a fire that is already raging - it does not help in any way, and actually perpetuates the problem. I do feel for anyone who has lost a child or loved one to sucide, but instead of making the problem worse for others - IMO, they should work to help those in novel ways, because clearly - the current system clearly does not work.

@dead, personally, I would not say rambling - or if I did, I would say some pretty throughtful and insightful rambles there.

:)

 

[Deleted member 8579]

And heartlessly torturing people who are in excruciating pain 24/7 by denying them access to euthanasia.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/so-much-pain-my-hearts-stops.69748/#post-1276062

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/quadriplegic-man-denied-right-to-die.66533/

 

[Symbiote]

I too do not see a benefit of fighting with so called pro-lifers. The grief they feel is likely evescerating. The only exception to this is when they become the similar to the people who drive the vulnerable here (aka bullies who attack people here).

Fixthe26 are only a very very small minority of pro-lifers that actively attack and bully suicidal members of this forum, post stalking users in order to incur emotional pain and trauma upon their victims. Suicide bereavement sites offer support that doesn't involve lashing out in anger and targeting other suicidal people for their personal gratification. Fixthe26 has shown constantly that they do not care about suicidal people and believe that all suicidal people should be locked up in cages, burn in hell, and/or grow up. They've been running a poor manipulation campaign which I still can't see how that's going to help their cause other than cause more suicides, but then that's probably what they want to feel "in power".

 

[MountKecske]

I can understand mothers..I'd be dead a thousand times if my mom didn't provide me affection and hope, always putting me before her needs, which actually I feel extremely guilty for.. I'm doing better than Van Gogh having sold a few pieces prior to my death, but she's my Theo. She keeps buying me things, while I feel all I deserve is brushes, paint and paper(except cigarettes and alcohol). I used to have vain worries will people remember my art after my death, but I lost myself and my ability to enjoy life. I'd be fine if I had 10 more years I can fully enjoy, but it's long gone. While Ray Kurzweil and Aubrey Grey babble on about immortality, people don't realize medicine doesn't have solutions to much simpler problems yet.

 

[Weary Soul]

Fixthe26 are only a very very small minority of pro-lifers that actively attack and bully suicidal members of this forum, post stalking users in order to incur emotional pain and trauma upon their victims. Suicide bereavement sites offer support that doesn't involve lashing out in anger and targeting other suicidal people for their personal gratification. Fixthe26 has shown constantly that they do not care about suicidal people and believe that all suicidal people should be locked up in cages, burn in hell, and/or grow up. They've been running a poor manipulation campaign which I still can't see how that's going to help their cause other than cause more suicides, but then that's probably what they want to feel "in power".

Yes, FT26 is the main one. Sometimes I see the posts there (and have seen other things like videos, etc.) that scream of a seething cesspool of rage. It goes way beyond grief turned sideways. At least IME - and I have been at the bottom of that pit seeing the death of an innocent and holding her in my arms - I would never put that pain on someone else to the extent I have seen done with this particular site. Other than FT26, I saw initiation of a petition, FB groups, and there is one other person (I think) who has done some really horrible things (IMO) to people here who are vulnerable. I may well have missed others who oppose this site.

Not to get into too much detail, but at a minimum, what I have observed goes way beyond what I would consider acceptable and is hypocritical at best. For example, I have seen some who loathe this site and yet at the same time, have absolutely no regards for breaking the law in that they have violated already established legalities of online posting (eg., doxxing, harassment, bullying, etc.).

And yet "they" would try to get currently accepted laws that were put in place for a reason changed to their satisfation in order to dictate what others can or cannot post. SMH - what is next - someone objects to foul language online - so they petition to make a law so that no one can ever write fuck again. This may be a comparitively weak example, but the actions I have seen to date are so very hypocritical and such a double standard - it is a means to achieve an end no matter what the cost - reminds me of Hiroshima in many ways.

What really bothers me with respect to their bullying of members here (to put it mildly), is if they do this knowing that this kind of online behavior has already led to a multitude of kids, many of whom are young teens, taking their own life? If they do - then that paints a very different and terrifying picture to me.

Also, I wonder if they realize that online challenges through many different social media platforms have also led to the death of many innocents (eg., blue whale, hot water, marshmallow, choking, fire, momo, tide pod, etc). Since children have died trying to keep up with peer pressure or in an attempt to get attention through social media - why haven't all challenges in general been banned? I am not saying that all challenges should be banned, what I am trying to emphasize is that suicide in and of itself is not the underlying problem here - it is just one manifestation of what is so wrong with society today - these challenges also emphasizes the absolutely necessity of parental supervision when it comes to the net not to mention actually engaging with their child in all aspects in general.

I have seen some changes over time in the tone of the initial posts versus what is there now - it appears that there has been some pullback or more careful wording at that site (more recently) - but I cannot say if this is because they may finally get it or if they are more concerned that their actions will ultimately undermine their cause. As I am pretty cynical and given the totality of what I have seen so far, I suspect that latter.

Another thing that I have observed and am kind of getting e-whiplash because of, is that the FT26 accounts are being re-written, taken down, put back up, changed, sanitized, made private, posts removed, etc. If someone is going to take a stance - stand by that stance - do not rewrite history by engaging in these tactics (to me this is gaslighting - especially to those who do not know the history of what has been going on).

One thing that I am sure of with FT26 and others who condemn this site out of hand - none seem to get the bigger picture, specifically:

This site would disappear in an instant if people realized that our system is completely and utterly broken and take adequate measures to change the underlying problems in society that lead people to this heart-breaking end and that would, fundamentally, include recognizing that quality of life is vastly more important than quantity of life when that quantity of life is unbearable.

BTW: I wasn't too clear above - I meant to say, "I sympathize with people against this site as well, in the sense that I find it heartbreakingly sad that this site it is, IMO, needed to help those who cannot find help anywhere else. Every-single-damn-time someone takes their own life - it absolutely breaks my heart. But I do understand why they do, because so often there is no other option availble - it is why I am here."

Course, I can only speak to what I believe I have observed, and what I have written here reflects no one else's opinion but mine. I do stand by what I said about it breaking my heart every-single-damn-time someone takes their own life - it does break my heart at the same time, I understand why - it is why I am here.

 

[grail]

For me personally the religious moralists are the worst.

I think I could be considered a "religious moralist," but I'm very much anti-censorship and believe a site like this is really important. I don't like romanticizing and encouraging suicide. I haven't seen either of those things on here, though. Suicide encouragement is actually prevalent on something like 4chan. SS is more like a safe space to let like-minded people discuss the topic. It's also a great centralized source for suicide method info. I think it's much more preferable to have a source like this than force people to use whatever information they can dig up from Google, and possibly vegetate themselves because they were ill-informed.