When people partial hang they always succeed if they really want to...

[bacardirum]

Think about it, Harold Shipman knew he had to die on that day for his wife to benefit financially later on (he was a doctor who killed hundreds), actor Robin Williams decided that night he would ctb, he did. If you are serious about ctb, you will, if not, you fail and you are not ready yet. Anyone can do it, if you really want to you will...

 

[FauxEmotions]

I completely agree. Especially after doing it in my office bathroom but not anchoring the other end. I got to a point of almost blacking out and lost motor skills for a bit so I let go of the rope I was holding. Oddly enough, it's given me so much release. I no longing "practice" or do "mock hangings" (for lack of better term). I still find myself thinking of CTBing, but it's more of a back of the head thought now or it's not rushed.
That being said, I now do find my tolerance before getting irritated by things is so much lower. Like I find myself saying I could just end it all over trivial things.

 

[TimeToDie]

We only hear about the attempts that succeed, which makes it sound so very easy. We have no idea how many times that these famous people may have tried to kill themselves and failed. Given the extreme difficulty that most of us face, and how most suicide attempts fail, it seems reasonable to suspect that famous folks may also have had difficulty getting dead.

 

[bacardirum]

That's true, apart from Shipman had always been on suicide watch, so there was no previous records as it would have been reported seeing as he was in a cell, so he was 1/1 from what we know.
It makes sense, a doctor succeeding so easily, as he knows how the body functions more, not to mention he has nothing to lose, he's jailed for life, that could make it easier I guess.... It sort of answers the Q too, if you had millions would you not do it, and live, Robin Williams was very wealthy, money means nothing when you want to die...

 

[SinisterKid]

How long has Shipman been banged up for now?

To say people only succeed if they really want to is a bit crass is it not? There can be a whole host of reasons why people fail and I doubt anything your opening post refers to is on the list. It almost pours scorn on anyone who doesn't manage to die, which is just total BS. Hopefully, I just picked you up wrong and its not what you meant.

 

[bacardirum]

Harold Shipman is dead, he had a few days to do it so his wife was guaranteed from a extra pension. I don't mean to say people who fail never meant to do it, I just mean to say people who really want to die do it... There is a little difference between both...

 

[SinisterKid]

You missed my point on Shipman, never mind, cant be arsed to explain it.

Glad you can see the difference there, personally, I dont, but them, I am just old and stupid so my opinion is moot

 

[TimeToDie]

I just mean to say people who really want to die do it...

Yeah, with rare exception that would be true. A rare exception would be a UK man who was "saved" while hanging from a tree. He was turned into a vegetable confined to a wheel chair, such that he was physically unable to kill himself now even if he wanted to. And since he can't talk, no word on whether he wants to be dead or not. That would surely be the worst case scenario.

Others remain alive as they decide they no longer want to die, like a young man who shot his face off and actually was thrilled to get a face transplant (with the donor face coming from another young man who shot himself in the head). And this particular guy could easily have killed himself as he was a hunter who kept his guns even after his suicide attempt. This produced numerous comments of "WTF are they doing letting him have a gun!?!"

 

[bacardirum]

I think in those cases, the answer is never to be found when ctb, to prevent being found... If you allow yourself to be found there is always a chance whatever method you choose you could be saved...

 

[bruisedmind]

I disagree with this point completely. Coming from someone who has tried and I mean really tried, it's a difficult thing to do properly. Survival instinct being hard to push past (instinct being the operative word), every individual body behaving differently meaning all instructions are no more than guidelines, the odds are against anyone trying to kill themselves.

 

[Conflicted Cat]

Disagree, very hard hard disagree. Posts like these is what makes people afraid to come back to the community if they so happen to fail, because suicide is apparently this easy thing that even a monkey could do, which makes them feel even more useless and incompetent. Lemme tell you, it's not. Survival instinct, and

We only hear about the attempts that succeed, which makes it sound so very easy. We have no idea how many times that these famous people may have tried to kill themselves and failed. Given the extreme difficulty that most of us face, and how most suicide attempts fail, it seems reasonable to suspect that famous folks may also have had difficulty getting dead.

 

[FauxEmotions]

I personally think if you really do, survival instinct wouldn't be an issue. I think survival instinct is another way of saying you still hope somewhere, whether it be consciously or subconsciously. I say this because why would survival instinct keep you alive but then you evidently do it anyway? This is just my opinion and it could be wrong, but I just can't but to think this way, especially for those who seemingly have it all. They "have reasons/things" to help them cope, but even those can only last for so long.

 

[TimeToDie]

I think survival instinct is another way of saying you still hope somewhere, whether it be consciously or subconsciously. I say this because why would survival instinct keep you alive but then you evidently do it anyway?

I bet pro-lifers would look at SS members and see how many have been here for months, even an entire year, and figure that "Hey, if they're still alive after a year then they must not really want to die." Do you really want to concur with that pro-life view?

The alternative explanation is that suicide is the most terrifying thing that one can possibly face in their entire life. All animals are designed by evolution to remain alive for as long as possible. We are slaves to that survival instinct even when logic tells us that suicide is clearly the right path. There are plenty of things that I find so terrifying that I've put them off for years, even decades. Things like avoiding a dentist for the last 14 years. Or avoiding education or employment for the last 24 years. Or avoiding introducing myself to my neighbors in the 3 years that I've lived here. And I would have been dead in 2011 if not for being too afraid to pull the trigger. I'm ruled by anxiety, anxiety has kept me alive thus far.

 

[I’vehadenough]

I personally think if you really do, survival instinct wouldn't be an issue. I think survival instinct is another way of saying you still hope somewhere, whether it be consciously or subconsciously. I say this because why would survival instinct keep you alive but then you evidently do it anyway? This is just my opinion and it could be wrong, but I just can't but to think this way, especially for those who seemingly have it all. They "have reasons/things" to help them cope, but even those can only last for so long.

I think survival instinct is the reason kurt cobain took a ahitload of heroin before shooting himself

 

[Jon86]

The thing that bothers me with partial is how many wake up after passing out from their body shaking violently (brains last ditch attempt at survival) which relieves pressure on the noose/loosens the knot. I must've read at least half a dozen of these incidents over the years, I don't think that'll happen to me but damn, can't imagine re-awakening in that state or worse.

In my mind, I feel a gun would be much easier but I don't have access to one so I can't give an honest opinion.

ODs again, in my mind seem very simple (given you have N) but it's not fair for me to comment as I don't have it.

Live or die, it doesn't matter, death has about as much appeal as life which is about zero.

 

[stoney126]

That's true, apart from Shipman had always been on suicide watch, so there was no previous records as it would have been reported seeing as he was in a cell, so he was 1/1 from what we know.
It makes sense, a doctor succeeding so easily, as he knows how the body functions more, not to mention he has nothing to lose, he's jailed for life, that could make it easier I guess.... It sort of answers the Q too, if you had millions would you not do it, and live, Robin Williams was very wealthy, money means nothing when you want to die...

Robin Williams is an exact example of what is wrong with pro-lifers. Rich, famous, lots of good/close family, but had a terminal illness. He didn't want to have people slowly watch him lose himself, and he didn't want to experience that himself. But because of the backward-ass regulations regarding CTB, he had to do it himself rather than just having a doctor assist him and make his death peaceful and tying up whatever personal lose-ends he had (will/money/goodbyes/etc.).

Pretty sad IMO. And I remember remarking IRL to friends (who are obviously pro-life, as most are in the real world) that if I was in Robin Williams shoes, I could see myself choosing the same fate. They looked at me like I was crazy, and told me as much.

 

[Jen0804]

I'm not ashamed to say I failed partial and I cannot wait to die

 

[I’vehadenough]

I'm not ashamed to say I failed partial and I cannot wait to die

How did you fail at partial

 

[FauxEmotions]

I think survival instinct is the reason kurt cobain took a ahitload of heroin before shooting himself

I think he did that because he was a junkie. Also, didn't Courtney kill him?

 

[I’vehadenough]

I think he did that because he was a junkie. Also, didn't Courtney kill him?

Doubtful. I read an article and his manager said he was depressed the week he saw him and had a suicide attempt 6 weeks prior

 

[FauxEmotions]

Doubtful. I read an article and his manager said he was depressed the week he saw him and had a suicide attempt 6 weeks prior

I mean, he was a junkie though. I can't confirm or deny Love's involvement.

 

[DoneWithThis]

Yeah, sure. And you can really become a millionaire IF you really want to. And you can cure cancer IF you really want to.

It almost makes it sound as all the individuals you've had the balls, the courage, to commit suicide, because they couldn't take any more of this existence, failed because they didn't want it bad enough. That's kind of fucked up.

So now we're comparing who's better at it? Really? Yeah, that's great, let's even judge someone on how successful they are at ending it. Damn, what weird world. Not that I'm any better. I'm just judging someone for judging. Ha!

 

[I’vehadenough]

I mean, he was a junkie though. I can't confirm or deny Love's involvement.

Idk, I'm sure she at least drove him to suicide

 

[LifeOver]

If you really want to, you would go with full suspension hanging instead of partial. Many people who try partial, myself included, find the urge to back out too overwhelming.

 

[DoneWithThis]

I really liked the idea of partial suspension. That's how I wanted to go. Even IF you manage to black out. And that's a big IF. Yeah, yeah, you just need to compress the carotid artery properly and put sufficient pressure on it. So, even IF you pass out, survival instinct kicks in, body thrashing, convulsions. Which is going to affect weight distribution, pressure, angle, possibly loosening of the noose, you regain consciousness slowly. Ugh. It didn't work. It's not like you were doing this for shits and giggles. It's not like you were doing this for attention. I wanted to succeed. You read information about it. You planned it. You're on an online discussion forum informing yourself about it. Just putting that noose around your neck is a pretty brave and ballsy move in my opinion. It's not like it was some impulsive rash decision on a Wednesday because traffic was bad or they canceled your favorite TV series.

The topic of this post is:
When people partial hang they always succeed if they really want to...

You know what I say. People who who do full suspension hanging will succeed, whether they want to or not.
Which I mean really. Who the hell has a noose around their neck and about to CTB doesn't want to succeed?

Sorry for the rant, couldn't help myself.

 

[Jon86]

I just saw this headline and it reminded me of this thread.

'Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein is found 'semi-conscious with neck injuries' in his jail cell following a 'possible suicide attempt', a week after he was denied bail in his sex trafficking trial'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-cell-following-possible-suicide-assault.html

So, it appears you were wrong OP, this man has a damn good reason to die, he failed. Also, i'll add War Machine the mma fighter in prison for savagely beating his gf had a failed hanging attempt as well. When men attempt at home, they don't advertise there failed attempt, in prison they don't have that luxury. The Unabomber also had a failed hanging in prison as well.

So, no, you are wrong OP, these men clearly wanted to die but failed. Anyone whose, done serious research into hangings know of the other failed attempts that lead to permanent brain damage etc. I wish it easy, it is NOT. I understand your feelings though, you feel like a failure as you have failed to end your existence, so you think your a 'pussy' or 'weak'. Suicide is not easy, nor is it simply defined, many people live on in purgatory trapped between life and death, the suicide attempt to death ratio is so damn high for a reason.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

suicide is a pure question of will. everyone (given their not in a mental hospital, prison or physical handicpapped) could choose a hard method like jumping from a certain height, decapitation or long drop. this garantuees a certain death.

however partial hanging is more of a soft method and thus includes the possibilities of failure.

 

[Jon86]

suicide is a pure question of will. everyone (given their not in a mental hospital, prison or physical handicpapped) could choose a hard method like jumping from a certain height, decapitation or long drop. this garantuees a certain death.

however partial hanging is more of a soft method and thus includes the possibilities of failure.

All the methods you listed take seriously effort and planning, suicidal people are often so depressed they can barely get out of bed. Full suspension is not possible in most apartments, thus must be done in public or the forest etc. Actually had a co-worker who came to work one day with rope marks, he'd roped himself on a tree and the branch broke...To get the setup for a long drop to do a decapitation isn't easy either, that takes serious effort/planning etc. Even jumping doesn't always work, ie. Golden Gate bridge survivors, not everyone has easy access to jump points, I have a bridge nearby that's like 95% effective, those odds imo aren't good enough (although I may try my luck). A gun is the only real tried and true method that doesn't take much planning but not everyone has that luxury, much like N.

Partial is easy to setup and can be done basically anywhere, that's why its the #1 suicide method by a landslide globally (VAST majority of hangings are partial). You gotta respect the #1 reigning champion suicidal method, it does work, whether it's soft or not, is arguable.

The 'problem' like I think you alluded to is that partial gives you the ability to 'abort' an attempt whereas others don't have that, if you overcome that and die by partial it's clear you had an intense conviction to die.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

All the methods you listed take seriously effort and planning, suicidal people are often so depressed they can barely get out of bed.

literally proves my point that its only a question of willpower.

and almost everyone can buy a steelrope, go a bridge nearby which is taller than 6meter and do a nice 4m longjump...the rope will go through neck like butter and you will be dead.

instead of a bridge you can also use a car if you have a driver license and acess to a vehicle. combined with a steelrope around your neck its a sure thing

 

[Jon86]

literally proves my point that its only a question of willpower.

and almost everyone can buy a steelrope, go a bridge nearby which is taller than 6meter and do a nice 4m longjump...the rope will go through neck like butter and you will be dead.

instead of a bridge you can also use a car if you have a driver license and acess to a vehicle. combined with a steelrope around your neck its a sure thing

Kinda odd method, why not just use willpower to complete the most common suicide method used throughout human history instead of wasting time on some obscure fantasy method that basically never happens? Partial is the king suicide method and will remain so for the foreseeable future, nothing else comes close...(most kills)

Willpower will stop you from even attempting your fantasy technique, you'll likely realize how silly it is if you ever get all the materials and 'attempt'.