Venting what the fuck is the point of escapism

[Hate you]

repetitiveness hopeful toxic positive garbage until we die. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Exactly. People think it's easy just to distract ourselves and move on. It just is not.

 

[FuneralCry]

I do not see any point to living at all. Life is just passing the time until we die, nothing makes me feel better, it is all so depressing. Anything positive just makes me feel worse, to me there is nothing to be happy about in a world that is as horrible as this.

 

[Mashedout]

I do not see any point to living at all. Life is just passing the time until we die, nothing makes me feel better, it is all so depressing. Anything positive just makes me feel worse, to me there is nothing to be happy about in a world that is as horrible as this.

Learning how to suffer is our most important use of time here. We may be forced to participate somewhere else just as we were forced to participate here. Regardless of the framework of the experience, pleasure and suffering will also exist. Pleasure needs no preparation. No one needs to teach you how to endure your favorite food, hobby, etc. You do need to learn how to endure putrid garbage shoved down your throat and an existence of wage slaving on the other end. If you can learn to walk through hell with a smile on your face, hell no longer exists.

People are much stronger than they give themselves credit for. If anyone has ever suffered for a lengthy time then that takes great strengh. The trouble is they aren't applying that energy in the correct way and as a result are stuck in loops. If only they could apply that strength to break free then could level up in so many ways.

 

[Achlys]

I always hated being suggested to go outside and meet with friends or to do something to take my mind off things, as if that was a solution to my problems. All that would ever happen is I'd be depressed and miserable, but outside.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

No escape

 

[its-about-time]

I would say escapism IS the point… I would argue that spending all day on a suicide forum fantasizing about or meticulously planning our deaths is just another form of escapism.

 

[Worndown]

Everyone needs to escape at times.

 

[WonderingSoul]

Learning how to suffer is our most important use of time here. We may be forced to participate somewhere else just as we were forced to participate here. Regardless of the framework of the experience, pleasure and suffering will also exist. Pleasure needs no preparation. No one needs to teach you how to endure your favorite food, hobby, etc. You do need to learn how to endure putrid garbage shoved down your throat and an existence of wage slaving on the other end. If you can learn to walk through hell with a smile on your face, hell no longer exists.

People are much stronger than they give themselves credit for. If anyone has ever suffered for a lengthy time then that takes great strengh. The trouble is they aren't applying that energy in the correct way and as a result are stuck in loops. If only they could apply that strength to break free then could level up in so many ways.

This sounds like toxic positivity with extra steps. "Learning how to suffer" you mean going through life's bullshit without getting any meaningful reward out of it ?

Have you thought how everyone is in a different situation that got themselves into such a low point in life ? It can be mental illness with one person or a case of addiction with another. Not some black and white bullshit where it's like nobody is applying their energy into anything. MAYBE, there might be no preparation in pleasure but it's absolutely way harder to prep while suffering. Also it's not like hell can just unexist especially if you walk out of it; depending on the situation, trauma can still follow you throughout your whole life.

 

[Mashedout]

This sounds like toxic positivity with extra steps. "Learning how to suffer" you mean going through life's bullshit without getting any meaningful reward out of it ?

Have you thought how everyone is in a different situation that got themselves into such a low point in life ? It can be mental illness with one person or a case of addiction with another. Not some black and white bullshit where it's like nobody is applying their energy into anything. MAYBE, there might be no preparation in pleasure but it's absolutely way harder to prep while suffering. Also it's not like hell can just unexist especially if you walk out of it; depending on the situation, trauma can still follow you throughout your whole life.

The meaningful reward is the strength you build. The knowledge that you can endure any situation that is thrown your way by raising your level of stress management the same way an athelete raises their level of cardio. A couch potato forced into the adversity of running a marathon will be broken by it as they aren't conditioned. A marathon runner who experiences that frequently is prepared and is unbroken by it.

Pain is pain. Regardless of what path someone takes to reach the destination of wanting to die, it's the same for everyone once they arrive at the bottom. You can't go lower than wanting to give up on everything both good and bad. And that is the place where true growth can occur as you are open to anything, even changing your whole way of functioning in this temporary experience. Then you can develop the skills to endure. This does not mean problems stop, they never stop; but they don't stop you any longer.

I've asked the universe to kill me in my sleep for thousands upon thousands of days in a row, and I've been close to killing myself multiple times but always pulled back because I knew I had more in me. I could do this cycle for thousands of more days, then years, then epochs, then eons. The techniques that work to survive today will always work going forward. When I do actually kill myself, it won't be for the reasons that most people have. They do it out of a desire to escape, they have NEED to be free of pain as they can't endure it anymore. My reason will be I'm simply ready to move on as this place has nothing left to offer me, it's a choice as I could say and keep suffering also.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

The meaningful reward is the strength you build. The knowledge that you can endure any situation that is thrown your way by raising your level of stress management the same way an athelete raises their level of cardio. A couch potato forced into the adversity of running a marathon will be broken by it as they aren't conditioned. A marathon runner who experiences that frequently is prepared and is unbroken by it.

Pain is pain. Regardless of what path someone takes to reach the destination of wanting to die, it's the same for everyone once they arrive at the bottom. You can't go lower than wanting to give up on everything both good and bad. And that is the place where true growth can occur as you are open to anything, even changing your whole way of functioning in this temporary experience. Then you can develop the skills to endure. This does not mean problems stop, they never stop; but they don't stop you any longer.

I've asked the universe to kill me in my sleep for thousands upon thousands of days in a row, and I've been close to killing myself multiple times but always pulled back because I knew I had more in me. I could do this cycle for thousands of more days, then years, then epochs, then eons. The techniques that work to survive today will always work going forward. When I do actually kill myself, it won't be for the reasons that most people have. They do it out of a desire to escape, they have NEED to be free of pain as they can't endure it anymore. My reason will be I'm simply ready to move on as this place has nothing left to offer me, it's a choice as I could say and keep suffering also.

Bruh no one wants to hear that copium crap here. You're advertising to the wrong demographic.

If I wasn't mobile and in bed, I'd tear that argument apart limb from limb just like I've done to every other pro-lifer that has spouted that useless garbage. You woukdn't have been the first, and may not be the last.

 

[waitingforrest]

To run away from the thoughts and feelings and hope not to wake up the next day I guess.

 

[Mashedout]

Bruh no one wants to hear that copium crap here. You're advertising to the wrong demographic.

If I wasn't mobile and in bed, I'd tear that argument apart limb from limb just like I've done to every other pro-lifer that has spouted that useless garbage. You woukdn't have been the first, and may not be the last.

They may not want to hear it, but they need to hear it. I'm not a pro lifer, in fact I think life is a mistake and all of it should be erased. Read my statements again with that in mind. This is about preparation for eternity. None of us truely know anything about death and the full picture of reality. All we can do is prepare for possibilites, these are the hard truths. Not using this time here for getting good at enduring suffering is a foolish thing. Just as we were forced to participate here, we could be forced to participate again in the future under some other conditions outside our control. What if there is no suicide option in that life?

 

[WorthlessTrash]

They may not want to hear it, but they need to hear it. I'm not a pro lifer, in fact I think life is a mistake and all of it should be erased. Read my statements again with that in mind. This is about preparation for eternity. None of us truely know anything about death and the full picture of reality. All we can do is prepare for possibilites, these are the hard truths. Not using this time here for getting good at enduring suffering is a foolish thing. Just as we were forced to participate here, we could be forced to participate again in the future under some other conditions outside our control. What if there is no suicide option in that life?

No they don't. Coping is not going to make anything better for the majority of people here. Some people just can't contribute to society under their set of circumstances, nor do they want to.

Also, you say that enduring builds strength. It takes someone strength to decide that enough is enough with life and to have the courage to go out on your own terms despite society's opposition.

Society has nothing to offer me under my current set of circumstances, so I will pass on the COPIUM. If i get reborn into someone else, then so be it. I can at least hope that I am born correctly next time. It's a gamble I will take.

 

[Mashedout]

No they don't. Coping is not going to make anything better for the majority of people here. Some people just can't contribute to society under their set of circumstances, nor do they want to.

Also, you say that enduring builds strength. It takes someone strength to decide that enough is enough with life and to have the courage to go out on your own terms despite society's opposition.

Society has nothing to offer me under my current set of circumstances, so I will pass on the COPIUM. If i get reborn into someone else, then so be it. I can at least hope that I am born correctly next time. It's a gamble I will take.

Fuck society, this is about evolution of the self and working towards transcendence. Humanity isn't some pinancle of conciousness that people should be content with being. The goal is to leave humanity and all its flaws behind and grow beyond it into something better.

Of course it takes strength to die by your own design, I never said it didn't.

I'm not talking about being born into someone else only, I'm talking about being born into something else as well with a completely different set of rules. The limits of what we don't know could be far beyond where we are currently. Zoom out theory. Think of the awareness of bacteria, zoom out. Think of the awareness of your dog, zoom out. Think of the awareness of yourself and all you still don't know. There is no reason to think this is the final level. Think of a dog walking through a library and all it can't possibly understand that is contained in those books. We're likely just as ignorant. Imagine all the possible forms a reality could have and conciousness could be structured in. A nth dimensional fluid entity with trillions of tendrils reaching outward into its surroundings, a switching channel conciousness where you hop between beings frequently, an extremely restricted environment with a mandatory million year lifespan where you have no mouth but must scream, it goes on and on and on when you let the mind imagine.

Failing to learn the lessons here could set off a domino effect of misery that reverbs into forever and that's not a chance I'm willing to take. Nor should anyone else if they're being honest with themselves about just how ignorant we are. Ultimately though everyone has to make their own choices. I only hope people can see the big picture and do what is best for themselves in the longer term. Relative to all the possible horrors and challenges we could be forced to face, this life is short and endurable for anyone with the right thought processes.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Fuck society, this is about evolution of the self and working towards transcendence. Humanity isn't some pinancle of conciousness that people should be content with being. The goal is to leave humanity and all its flaws behind and grow beyond it into something better.

Of course it takes strength to die by your own design, I never said it didn't.

I'm not talking about being born into someone else only, I'm talking about being born into something else as well with a completely different set of rules. The limits of what we don't know could be far beyond where we are currently. Zoom out theory. Think of the awareness of bacteria, zoom out. Think of the awareness of your dog, zoom out. Think of the awareness of yourself and all you still don't know. There is no reason to think this is the final level. Think of a dog walking through a library and all it can't possibly understand that is contained in those books. We're likely just as ignorant. Imagine all the possible forms a reality could have and conciousness could be structured in. A nth dimensional fluid entity with trillions of tendrils reaching outward into its surroundings, a switching channel conciousness where you hop between beings frequently, an extremely restricted environment with a mandatory million year lifespan where you have no mouth but must scream, it goes on and on and on when you let the mind imagine.

Failing to learn the lessons here could set off a domino effect of misery that reverbs into forever and that's not a chance I'm willing to take. Nor should anyone else if they're being honest with themselves about just how ignorant we are. Ultimately though everyone has to make their own choices. I only hope people can see the big picture and do what is best for themselves in the longer term. Relative to all the possible horrors and challenges we could be forced to face, this life is short and endurable for anyone with the right thought processes.

I'm not interested in enduring it under the set of circumstances I was born into. I'm good.

 

[Hurt]

I always hated being suggested to go outside and meet with friends or to do something to take my mind off things, as if that was a solution to my problems. All that would ever happen is I'd be depressed and miserable, but outside.

Same. Even when I'm go out with my friends I feel suicidal. Nothing changes.

 

[BrokenLine]

To pass the time till you find something you're not trying to escape from. It basically just things will get better, just try. It also makes others who know you're going through a tough time feel better too because it means they don't have to do shit, its a version of escapism for them too. Look they're doing better so basically lets run and you can fuck off that's based on my experience.

 

[Conker]

Fuck society, this is about evolution of the self and working towards transcendence. Humanity isn't some pinancle of conciousness that people should be content with being. The goal is to leave humanity and all its flaws behind and grow beyond it into something better.

Of course it takes strength to die by your own design, I never said it didn't.

I'm not talking about being born into someone else only, I'm talking about being born into something else as well with a completely different set of rules. The limits of what we don't know could be far beyond where we are currently. Zoom out theory. Think of the awareness of bacteria, zoom out. Think of the awareness of your dog, zoom out. Think of the awareness of yourself and all you still don't know. There is no reason to think this is the final level. Think of a dog walking through a library and all it can't possibly understand that is contained in those books. We're likely just as ignorant. Imagine all the possible forms a reality could have and conciousness could be structured in. A nth dimensional fluid entity with trillions of tendrils reaching outward into its surroundings, a switching channel conciousness where you hop between beings frequently, an extremely restricted environment with a mandatory million year lifespan where you have no mouth but must scream, it goes on and on and on when you let the mind imagine.

Failing to learn the lessons here could set off a domino effect of misery that reverbs into forever and that's not a chance I'm willing to take. Nor should anyone else if they're being honest with themselves about just how ignorant we are. Ultimately though everyone has to make their own choices. I only hope people can see the big picture and do what is best for themselves in the longer term. Relative to all the possible horrors and challenges we could be forced to face, this life is short and endurable for anyone with the right thought processes.

I mean, I get the point you're making..

This world and our bodies were not directly created by God (divine benevolent beings).
The foundation is horrific, airs of amnesia and whatnot.
It wouldn't be a stretch to say that evil aliens have trapped all of us inside of an ouroboros of blurry caves that are disconnected from the true universe.

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Good is higher-dimensional in nature, which is to say there is no such manifestation of it down here.
Only glimpses of it here & there unevenly distributed throughout this lifeless realm.

 

[Euthanza]

Death is not question of if nor why, it's about when and how.

People died for nothing, is a very common norm and practically must be accepted with no question. There's no answer to why, and it's the worst possible question in the world to ask for proof that one suffers enough in order to escape.

Why would someone escape? What is the point of escapism? These two are merely rhetoric. No one needs reason to, it's too obvious that reason is because nothing is blah blah blah is fucking bullshit.

What's the point of having right to inhale but not to exhale?
What is the meaning of meaningless? Nonsense.

 

[gwanath]

The meaningful reward is the strength you build. The knowledge that you can endure any situation that is thrown your way by raising your level of stress management the same way an athelete raises their level of cardio.

I completely disagree here. People don't need to endure extreme suffering in order to build strength. The resilience I gained from enduring my abuse and my illnesses is not a reward when I can't actually enjoy life. Unlike the athlete who pushes their boundaries to raise their level of cardio, this wasn't a choice. People don't need to be driven to suicide to develop tolerance or learn life lessons that can easily be learned otherwise.

They do it out of a desire to escape, they have NEED to be free of pain as they can't endure it anymore. My reason will be I'm simply ready to move on as this place has nothing left to offer me, it's a choice as I could say and keep suffering also.

How incredibly pretentious is it to assume everyone's reasons to CBT and then argue that you have the moral high ground because you're making a choice based on what you believe is an acceptable reason to end your life. Nah, we ain't gatekeeping suicide today folks.

Relative to all the possible horrors and challenges we could be forced to face, this life is short and endurable for anyone with the right thought processes.

Alternatively, people are already facing unimaginable horrors and challenges in this life. The fact that you're trying to argue that they can be overcome with the "right thought process" simply gives away your lack of understanding and imagination.

 

[Mashedout]

Alternatively, people are already facing unimaginable horrors and challenges in this life. The fact that you're trying to argue that they can be overcome with the "right thought process" simply gives away your lack of understanding and imagination.

You have a low opinion of people. I know they're capable of more, there are million examples of it everywhere you look.

 

[gwanath]

Ac

You have a low opinion of people. I know they're capable of more, there are million examples of it everywhere you look.

I respect them enough to not be condescending. Just because people are capable of more doesn't mean they're under any obligation to attempt more, nor is anyone entitled to demand it of them.

There are also a million other stories of people who tried and failed. But you won't hear about those because they can't be used as inspiration porn. Would you rather live in a lie or know hard truths? I know my choice.

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

Thinking/planning suicide is escapism too..

 

[Graham]

I would say escapism IS the point… I would argue that spending all day on a suicide forum fantasizing about or meticulously planning our deaths is just another form of escapism.

Good point

 

[Aeathelina]

I find that escapism only last for so long in the form of money or drugs. When the clouds disappear there is just a empty sky of pain or nothing that is waiting for us....well me when I am sobering up after a binge

 

[WhatPowerIs]

Escapist media has always proved to be a delightful distraction. I'm sad when it's all over though - means it's back to reality.

 

[Superdeterminist]

Depends what's meant by escapism. Recreation like drugs and games I don't consider to be pointless. They may provide useful analgesia, ways to avoid the unrelenting cruelty of real life. I consider the hopeful toxic positivity garbage more like denialism.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Fuck society, this is about evolution of the self and working towards transcendence. Humanity isn't some pinancle of conciousness that people should be content with being. The goal is to leave humanity and all its flaws behind and grow beyond it into something better.

Of course it takes strength to die by your own design, I never said it didn't.

I'm not talking about being born into someone else only, I'm talking about being born into something else as well with a completely different set of rules. The limits of what we don't know could be far beyond where we are currently. Zoom out theory. Think of the awareness of bacteria, zoom out. Think of the awareness of your dog, zoom out. Think of the awareness of yourself and all you still don't know. There is no reason to think this is the final level. Think of a dog walking through a library and all it can't possibly understand that is contained in those books. We're likely just as ignorant. Imagine all the possible forms a reality could have and conciousness could be structured in. A nth dimensional fluid entity with trillions of tendrils reaching outward into its surroundings, a switching channel conciousness where you hop between beings frequently, an extremely restricted environment with a mandatory million year lifespan where you have no mouth but must scream, it goes on and on and on when you let the mind imagine.

Failing to learn the lessons here could set off a domino effect of misery that reverbs into forever and that's not a chance I'm willing to take. Nor should anyone else if they're being honest with themselves about just how ignorant we are. Ultimately though everyone has to make their own choices. I only hope people can see the big picture and do what is best for themselves in the longer term. Relative to all the possible horrors and challenges we could be forced to face, this life is short and endurable for anyone with the right thought processes.

You're absolutely right. The only way to thrive in life is to learn and grow and improve. But for some reason I've always lived under a black cloud and don't seem to have the inspiration to properly self improve. I've had periods of What I thought were intense Efforts at personal growth…. But I was mainly gaslighting myself… Now I would really like to just get out of the way and let other people carry on with their lives without worrying about trying to save me….

 

[FinalDestiny]

For me, escapism is a matter of not dealing directly with my pain but instead fooling myself into thinking I'm doing better. Its easier to not deal with pain. For me, escapism is the easiest choice to make.

Videogames, porn and even this forum is just a matter of disillusioning myself into thinking I'm doing something helpful but, its not completely pointless.
Escapism can also give us the chance to heal wounds that may just be too difficult to deal with immediately or directly. The harder part is that it may become so much of a habit that you no longer are able to escape the escapism when its no longer helping you.
Sometimes we do need an external push but again, not until you are ready yourself.

The truth is that depression still beats me down, every single day. Sometimes I wonder if I've even moved an inch from where I was 10 years ago.
I don't think its easy to choose to heal but I don't think a person should be forced to do so either. I think the only time that its a problem for a person to keep using escapism when it is no longer helping them.