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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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Assuming that you do believe that, of course. But, I still get the sense that a lot of pro- lifers equate ideation as an automatic indicator that a person is mentally incompetent.

After the IC SN welfair checks, I was put in touch with a 'helpline' and, after guilt tripping didn't work: 'Think what it would do to your loved ones.' (It's not like I was imminently about to do it anyway.) They touched on mental competency. It made me so angry but, I felt it wiser not to show that. Now, I kind of wished I'd challenged them on that. Asked whether they were questioning my competency. But then, it felt safer not to rattle the cage. It was actually kind of terrifying that someone who was possibly manipulative could also become vindictive and had the power to section me if they saw fit. Not that the UK has the resources really. I doubt I'd be so very different to the staff in those places.

For me, I suppose I'd argue, it's because I don't see it as my only option. It isn't the option I've taken for the 35 years I've had ideation. I've made reasoned decisions that the pain it would likely cause loved ones would indeed be immense. So, I've done my best to struggle on. I've also tried multiple things to improve my life. From self help books, some therapy and meds, lifestyle and diet changes, career changes, moving around locations. I've tried multiple things. I also have clear reasons as to why even my best future doesn't seem worth the effort. I've taken the time to research suicide methods and prepare. Whatever I do, it won't be impulsive.

I'll concede that I may have very long- term depression but, the meds I did try did nothing. I also don't have the confidence in psychiatric healthcare- especially when it comes to drugs, to allow them to experiment on me. I don't believe they sufficiently know about the brain or, what they're doing with it. So- I think it's my reasonable right to refuse such treatment 'opportunities'. Not to knock what other people choose to do of course.

How about you though? Do you have full confidence in your mental competency? Especially with regards to your thoughts around suicide?
 
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Freedombus'25

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Shall reply later maybe
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
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"Do you have full confidence in your mental competency? Especially with regards to your thoughts around suicide?"

Yes. My suicide is the most rational act i could do by far

Is it rational or logical to waste many hours per day watching "youtube Videos news social media, Tv ? No

Why do i have to live another minute ? there is no objective reason.

anyone can do a rational pros and cons analysis and see that the suffering outweighs any dumb pleasure addiction. And there is always the probability of something extremely horrible happening to any human or other sentient animal.

what's worth even 10 minutes of the worst constant worst pain every second? imo nothing. to me nothing is worth even 1 second of the worst pain.
 
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Praestat_Mori

Mori praestat, quam haec pati!
May 21, 2023
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Do you have full confidence in your mental competency? Especially with regards to your thoughts around suicide?
Yes.

My suicidal thoughts are a result of external circumstances. Neither "helplines" nor medication can solve this.

It's a rational decision to problems if they cannot be solved otherwise.
 
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VoidButterfly

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May 17, 2025
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I have many reasons to believe I am fully capable of this choice.

My mental capacity is constantly and invasively reviewed and found to be sound.

I have lost track of the number of times mental health practitioners have told me they understand my reasons and that they're good reasons to avoid trying to sound like they're dismissing my problems. The problems are not fixable and they're going to get worse and I can't take them as they are. They cannot be fixed and will not get better.

I am bipolar and that does impact my ability to make this decision sometimes, but not all the time. Except for when I'm manic, I'm always suicidal. I suspect I've just come out of a depressive episode because the intensity generally has gone down and I'm still here and still wanting to ctb.
 
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SoulWantsHome

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Aug 6, 2025
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But, I still get the sense that a lot of pro- lifers equate ideation as an automatic indicator that a person is mentally incompetent.
People who believe that most suicidal people are "mentally incompetent" (although some suicidal people truly are mentally incompetent), demonstrate that they themselves are mentally incompetent.

Most suicidal people are suicidal based on a rational conclusion, regarding solving their problem in the best/most realistically effective way - which often happens to be suicide, due to their particular situation.



I also don't have the confidence in psychiatric healthcare- especially when it comes to drugs, to allow them to experiment on me. I don't believe they sufficiently know about the brain or, what they're doing with it. So- I think it's my reasonable right to refuse such treatment 'opportunities'.
This is spot on.



How about you though? Do you have full confidence in your mental competency? Especially with regards to your thoughts around suicide?
Definitely. To question my mental competency, would be a joke.
 
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WakingNightmare

WakingNightmare

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May 1, 2025
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I have no mental illness I just want to leave, also it's not up to others to decide whether I am competent or not
 
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chudeatte

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Aug 5, 2025
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I think it is the most rational decision ive come to. I know I will never succeed in life and I have tried for so long to combat these feelings, but it's the one outcome I always come back to. its inevitable in my mind, and no kind of help will ever fix the issues that I have currently and will face in the future, only prolonging the final decision and therefore making me suffer through life more. maybe im not fully competent because of my depression, but I am only being realistic about my life. no mental health professional will ever understand my perspective, so their help is limited by what they view as help, not what I think is help. and honestly, the only hope in fixing my issues is to ctb
 
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dontwakemeup

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People are uncomfortable with death no matter what the reason is. Is an older lady wants to stop chemo and aware they will die, people would never agree and encourage her to keep living. The person during chemo has several unpleasant side effects, but it's never justified to stop chemo. Are the mentally competent to decide to stop chemo? Absolutely, they are, in my opinion.

We are all here for several different reasons. I can explain my story of trauma, abuse, chronic pain, etc, and you will understand the why. What I find disturbing is people force me to keep going. If at any point I decide I don't want to continue dealing with all of this is where psychiatrist draw the line. This would be the time my competency is greatly judged. I'm able to work and function just like the pro-lifers do. I'm expected to keep going no matter the challenges I face daily. In reality, I challenge their competency to decide they know the magnitude and impact these situations have on people.

I've made a decision to never speak to a therapist/ psychiatrist forever. If I can't be honest and open then I don't see the value in using these services, but I've tried. I'm more than competent to say I'm ready to go and I simply can't say that to anyone. There is no chemical imbalance for my situation. So I'm just waiting to die. If I decide the time to attempt again has come, I will. I think people believe we have a bad day and snap and make an impulsive decision, that isn't true. We suffer for years in silence until we decide we can't do it anymore. At no time I believe I was ever incompetent to say I'm done.
 
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