What kind of advice do you give?

[Ben]

I'm curious as to what users here think about this survey. This is a pro-choice forum, so that means support of both life and death are allowed. It's the right we have to pick one that unites us.

That said, it's clear that death holds the majority of discussion here, so I'm wondering if you, in general, want to see people live or want to see people die. There is no right or wrong answer. Nobody is going to judge you if you're campaigning for death. We know it's not malicious, you just want to see the end of peoples pain...but are there also users here that would encourage people to fight through the pain and try to conquer their problems?

This question is completely hypothetical. You know nothing about this hypothetical person, just that they are undecided on living or dying, and they have come to you to ask what YOU think they should do. They do not share their story or any context with you, they just want to know your unfiltered opinion.

 

[1234dave]

Any indecision, obviously to live.

Bit sick encouraging someone to die when they are not 100%.

 

[TiredHorse]

The path to the bus stop should be the absolute final option explored.

The reason I signed on after lurking for a while was that this site isn't a place where people encourage others to ctb. We're all standing at the edge of the cliff, but there's no jostling, no pushing, no jeering or taunting, and when someone goes over the edge but reaches back at the last second, there are always a dozen people waiting to pull them back and hold them as they weep.

 

[Jen Erik]

so I'm wondering if you, in general, want to see people live or want to see people die.

Ben, what's your answer?

Do you want to see people live or do you want to see people die?

 

[Ben]

Ben, what's your answer?

Do you want to see people live or do you want to see people die?

100% live. I always try to encourage people to get better, but I respect any decision they make.

 

[Ben]

Any indecision, obviously to live.

Bit sick encouraging someone to die when they are not 100%.

I've seen it before here so I wanted to ask

 

[Muri]

To live. You always have the option to die at a later time but not the option to come back to life.

 

[Virgo]

There should be a third option. I'm not going to encourage them either way.

 

[Ben]

There should be a third option. I'm not going to encourage them either way.

No. It's a hypothetical question with only two answers, I made it like that for a reason.

May I ask, if you are not invested in any users life or death, what brings you here? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm genuinely curious.

 

[LifeSick]

No. It's a hypothetical question with only two answers, I made it like that for a reason.

May I ask, if you are not invested in any users life or death, what brings you here? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm genuinely curious.

If I may answer this myself, I think what brings me here is mostly loneliness. I have this possibly delusional idea that I will have a better connection with other people that are, well, sick of life like me. Besides that, I think I'm invested in helping people find their own answers, be that life or death.

 

[Smilla]

This is a horrible question and a stupid one.

It's not so black and white—and your hypothetical excuse for such a question is actually an abusive query in its own right.

 

[Ben]

If I may answer this myself, I think what brings me here is mostly loneliness. I have this possibly delusional idea that I will have a better connection with other people that are, well, sick of life like me. Besides that, I think I'm invested in helping people find their own answers, be that life or death.

That's not delusional at all. It's been a fact for me. We are all more alike then we probably will ever know. It's completely natural to feel most comfortable around people with similar views. Especially after having to hide your thoughts, or have been scolded for them for so long.

That's a fair answer! It's obviously not a requirement to try and help people live, but I just wanted to see what the vibe here was now that I came back. If I asked this survey a few months ago, I'd expect to see different results.

Personally, I would prefer to try and help somebody get better, but it's not my place to try and change their minds. Everyone here can do whatever they want, but I feel my efforts are best spent trying to positively influence somebody.

 

[Smilla]

No. It's a hypothetical question with only two answers, I made it like that for a reason.

May I ask, if you are not invested in any users life or death, what brings you here? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm genuinely curious.

I think this person answered your question.

 

[Mr. Bill]

Great to see the majority of people on this site are good at heart. Suicide is a drastic answer to your problems and I'd rather help someone live if they had any amount of hope to make things better for themselves and recover from whatever was bringing them down.

 

[Smilla]

That's not delusional at all. It's been a fact for me. We are all more alike then we probably will ever know. It's completely natural to feel most comfortable around people with similar views. Especially after having to hide your thoughts, or have been scolded for them for so long.

That's a fair answer! It's obviously not a requirement to try and help people live, but I just wanted to see what the vibe here was now that I came back. If I asked this survey a few months ago, I'd expect to see different results.

Personally, I would prefer to try and help somebody get better, but it's not my place to try and change their minds. Everyone here can do whatever they want, but I feel my efforts are best spent trying to positively influence somebody.

"What the vibe here was"?

Glad for the ignore button is all I can say.

I think it's patently obvious that suicide is
not the best outcome, we are all struggling here but your pro life bullshit isn't appreciated.

Just because we are suicidal doesn't mean I don't want others to be happy; for fucks sake I wouldn't wish my suffering on anyone.

You "come back" and "want to see what the vibe is"?

Shallow and glib questions directed at people who are actually suffering.

Well done.

 

[Ben]

This is a horrible question and a stupid one.

It's not so black and white—and your hypothetical excuse for such a question is actually an abusive query in its own right.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I asked this for selfish reasons, I'll admit. I wanted to see what people's intentions are if all context is removed. I do not regret asking it.

 

[LifeSick]

This is a horrible question and a stupid one.

It's not so black and white—and your hypothetical excuse for such a question is actually an abusive query in its own right.

I think it's more of a thought experiment, and those are always positive IMO.

 

[Ben]

"What the vibe here was"?

Glad for the ignore button is all I can say .

Peace!

Let me answer the additon you added in your edit.

How am I pro-life? Pro-choice means the support of both life and death. Please point out where I've said people do not have the right to die. You are making assumptions of my opinions, maybe because I failed to clearly explain myself. Of course I don't think suicidal people don't want others to be happy. But look where we are friend, a place to share methods and discussions of killing yourself, so asking for peoples opinion on where they stand is completely justified.

I have NO agenda I'm trying to push, and if you think I do, or I'm pro-life, like you said, the ignore button is right there :)

 

[weedoge]

There should be a third option. I'm not going to encourage them either way.

I think this person answered your question.

Exactly right

 

[Virgo]

No. It's a hypothetical question with only two answers, I made it like that for a reason.

May I ask, if you are not invested in any users life or death, what brings you here? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm genuinely curious.

I'm not here to save or kill anyone.

 

[weedoge]

I think it's more of a thought experiment, and those are always positive IMO.

Maybe so but the poll...

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

If the person is 50/50, that means they still have hope and/or something to live for. I would definitely encourage them to live.

 

[Ben]

Maybe so but the poll...

I apologize if this question offends anybody. I'm completely surprised that this could be seen as a horrible and stupid question. I've seen instances of both on this site. If it's in poor taste, my bad, but this is not a inflammatory question. I just want to know if people are on the side of life or death, on a pro-choice forum lol

 

[LifeSick]

That's not delusional at all. It's been a fact for me. We are all more alike then we probably will ever know. It's completely natural to feel most comfortable around people with similar views. Especially after having to hide your thoughts, or have been scolded for them for so long.

That's a fair answer! It's obviously not a requirement to try and help people live, but I just wanted to see what the vibe here was now that I came back. If I asked this survey a few months ago, I'd expect to see different results.

Personally, I would prefer to try and help somebody get better, but it's not my place to try and change their minds. Everyone here can do whatever they want, but I feel my efforts are best spent trying to positively influence somebody.

I agree. I also voted on "encourage them to live" BTW. But it seems rather pointless to simply encourage to live. I don't believe I have ability to convince them to live and trying may just lessen my chances of actually helping them.

 

[AndyCurious]

As the rules states :

• Encouraging: Do not encourage users to carry out acts of any nature, only provide advice..

So the vote option isn't entirely correct..:)

 

[Smilla]

I'm sorry you feel that way. I asked this for selfish reasons, I'll admit. I wanted to see what people's intentions are if all context is removed. I do not regret asking it.

You can't remove context.

If you "came back" for entertainment and curiosity—well, that's a shitty reason imo.

I apologize if this question offends anybody. I'm completely surprised that this could be seen as a horrible and stupid question. I've seen instances of both on this site. If it's in poor taste, my bad, but this is not a inflammatory question. I just want to know if people are on the side of life or death, on a pro-choice forum lol

Neither.

Each individual here is struggling—your questions are inane.

 

[Smilla]

As the rules states :

• Encouraging: Do not encourage users to carry out acts of any nature, only provide advice..

So the vote option isn't entirely correct..:)

Exactly. Thank you for this.

I haven't seen encouragement on this site one way or another and that's the beauty of it, and how it should be.

As the Ash forum greeting went (so I heard)..."glad you found us but sorry you are here"

 

[Ben]

You can't remove context.

If you "came back" for entertainment and curiosity—well, that's a shitty reason imo.



Neither.

Each individual here is struggling—your questions are inane.

I'm going to end discussions with you instead of explaining how your accusations of me are
wrong. I've offended you to the point I've tarnished my character. I've said what I wanted to say, and anything further will not be productive.

 

[Ben]

As the rules states :

• Encouraging: Do not encourage users to carry out acts of any nature, only provide advice..

So the vote option isn't entirely correct..:)

Can you explain what the difference between providing advice and encouragement is?

 

[LifeSick]

You can't remove context.

You mean "shouldn't"? He obviously can, as he just did it. For me this is like the trolley problem, it's just a hypothetical situation to create an ethical dilemma.