HumongousTheGod

HumongousTheGod

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Nov 29, 2018
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i'm at the point of ctb were i'm obsessed with death. holliday's only trigger me and this week i think i'll feel low enough to finally go though with it. i just hope there is no afterlife I just want to stop existing and be unconscious forever with no memories.
 
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Susannah

Susannah

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I believe that when you die, it's like eternal sleep, rest for body and soul. I'm not religious, but sometimes I think death sets you free. Meaning you're free to choose what happens.
 
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HumongousTheGod

HumongousTheGod

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Nov 29, 2018
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I believe that when you die, it's like eternal sleep, rest for body and soul. I'm not religious, but sometimes I think death sets you free. Meaning you're free to choose what happens.
you said "sometimes"... does that mean you sometimes doubt yourself?
 
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therhydler

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To be honest I sometimes like to think reincarnation is real. It is not that I don't want to live, feel, experience things... I just can't bare this life, I can't bare this suffering. If I could be given a life with a real prospect of happiness and fulfillment I think I would take it. But then again, it would end in death anyway... and suffering is inevitable in a way... so I don't know
 
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HumongousTheGod

HumongousTheGod

*444+222=41.9029° N, 12.4534° E
Nov 29, 2018
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To be honest I sometimes like to think reincarnation is real. It is not that I don't want to live, feel, experience things... I just can't bare this life, I can't bare this suffering. If I could be given a life with a real prospect of happiness and fulfillment I think I would take it. But then again, it would end in death anyway... and suffering is inevitable in a way... so I don't know
i wondered that too but idk how re-carnation would work logically ...
 
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Xaphous

Xaphous

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Nov 11, 2018
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I have been looking at the Kaballah tree of life/death Yggdrasil/Qlipoth. It's actually fucking terrifying because it seems almost inevitable that it would mean going to the infernal worlds, which apparently is more suffering that the human mind can even comprehend. I really wish this wasn't the case but there it is.. these people knew more than I ever will. I can't avoid the endless knowledge on this I've heard in countless lectures. I hate even writing this because its deeply unfair that it should even be a possibility. If someone can help me disregard this or has insight on this I would like to know.
 
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HumongousTheGod

HumongousTheGod

*444+222=41.9029° N, 12.4534° E
Nov 29, 2018
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I have been looking at the Kaballah tree of life/death Yggdrasil/Qlipoth. It's actually fucking terrifying because it seems almost inevitable that it would mean going to the infernal worlds, which apparently is more suffering that the human mind can even comprehend. I really wish this wasn't the case but there it is.. these people knew more than I ever will. I can't avoid the endless knowledge on this I've heard in countless lectures. I hate even writing this because its deeply unfair that it should even be a possibility. If someone can help me disregard this or has insight on this I would like to know.
googleing it brb
 
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Fear not - we are animals and nothing more. All the afterlife myths have been created by humans over time to take away our fear of death, or terrify us into living a certain way. If you have ever seen someone pass, or seen an animal die, it is the end. The bodily systems shut down, and that is that. No afterlife, no re-incarnation, no spirit heading upwards. Do not fear the afterlife. It doesn't exist.
 
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therhydler

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Fear not - we are animals and nothing more. All the afterlife myths have been created by humans over time to take away our fear of death, or terrify us into living a certain way. If you have ever seen someone pass, or seen an animal die, it is the end. The bodily systems shut down, and that is that. No afterlife, no re-incarnation, no spirit heading upwards. Do not fear the afterlife. It doesn't exist.

how do you know?
 
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Susannah

Susannah

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Jul 2, 2018
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you said "sometimes"... does that mean you sometimes doubt yourself?
Absolutely! I doubt everything in life (and "spirit"), always questioning meanings, destiny, justice, people... ;)
 
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HumongousTheGod

HumongousTheGod

*444+222=41.9029° N, 12.4534° E
Nov 29, 2018
62
Fear not - we are animals and nothing more. All the afterlife myths have been created by humans over time to take away our fear of death, or terrify us into living a certain way. If you have ever seen someone pass, or seen an animal die, it is the end. The bodily systems shut down, and that is that. No afterlife, no re-incarnation, no spirit heading upwards. Do not fear the afterlife. It doesn't exist.
reading that gave me peace
 
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Justanotherconsumer

Justanotherconsumer

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Jul 9, 2018
974
It certainly feels as if all afterlife death scenarios are but a fantasy once you are staring death in the face, it feels cold,empty and dreary without hope. The universe, the world the weather or any other natural process seems indifferent. Maybe your better off believing what gives you the most comfort? Because nothing else seems to.
 
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Help_Me

Help_Me

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Oct 21, 2018
516
I hope the same thing happened before I was born : eternal oblivion.
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
This subject has been done to death *pun intended*
Science has proven that all life comes from a single source. Therefore why should it be that only humans supposedly continue after dying?
Regarding reincarnation, I've recently concluded that nothing truly dissappears!
All dead things decompose into a more simple organic matter and become part of the biosphere. Even after cremation the ashes still exist.
 
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gingerplum

gingerplum

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Nov 5, 2018
1,450
I have been looking at the Kaballah tree of life/death Yggdrasil/Qlipoth. It's actually fucking terrifying because it seems almost inevitable that it would mean going to the infernal worlds, which apparently is more suffering that the human mind can even comprehend. I really wish this wasn't the case but there it is.. these people knew more than I ever will. I can't avoid the endless knowledge on this I've heard in countless lectures. I hate even writing this because its deeply unfair that it should even be a possibility. If someone can help me disregard this or has insight on this I would like to know.

I can help you. You're citing religious beliefs from the 13th century, when probably-- outside of Rome, anyway-- more than 70% of the people on the planet couldn't read or write. I think that is likely a generous estimate, and many of those who could read were clergy.

Even if they could read or write, the general population was completely scientifically ignorant. Keppler's laws of planetary motion and Copernicus' heliocentric theory didn't even come along until the 15th century. When Galileo later tried to further the acceptance of heliocentrism, he was found guilty of heresy by the Catholic Church and basically driven underground in his scientific studies.

In other words, what little scientific knowledge there was, was often quickly quashed by the church. At a time when people didn't understand basic ways in which the world around them worked, they used magic to explain it. Magic and superstition were the guiding forces, and they were controlled by the gods. Everyone's goal was basically to stay off the radar and not ask any questions that might draw the ire of the gods or the church that represented them.

What I'm saying is, why, for one second, would you even consider subscribing to the fevered dreams of the scientifically illiterate from over 600 years ago? The question shouldn't be how to disregard it, it should be why would you regard it in the first place?

This would essentially put you in the same category as modern flat-earthers and evolution deniers; of course you're free to believe what you want, but these theories can't stand up to even the slightest breeze of intellectual honesty or critical thinking.

I don't believe in life after death; in fact, I think to do so trivializes the limited time we have on Earth. I don't want to discourage anyone who needs that hope, but no, I don't subscribe to that belief.

Can I disprove it? No. I can't disprove a negative. I can tell you this: just because I don't understand something, or it's a complete unknown to me, doesn't mean the explanation should be "magic". No one who thinks critically should ever fall back on this, ever.

When someone offers an idea or explanation, your only questions should be, "How do you know? Can you prove it?" If they can't, you should automatically be skeptical.

As Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" .
 
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MsM3talGamer

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Nov 28, 2018
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I believe that when you die, it's like eternal sleep, rest for body and soul. I'm not religious, but sometimes I think death sets you free. Meaning you're free to choose what happens.
I like your explanation the most. Eternal sleep and rest sounds nice.
 
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RememberWhatUCameFor

RememberWhatUCameFor

dont cry for me im already dead
Nov 20, 2018
590
literally dont care what happens after death
 
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Smilla

Smilla

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Apr 30, 2018
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I can help you. You're citing religious beliefs from the 13th century, when probably-- outside of Rome, anyway-- more than 70% of the people on the planet couldn't read or write. I think that is likely a generous estimate, and many of those who could read were clergy.

Even if they could read or write, the general population was completely scientifically ignorant. Keppler's laws of planetary motion and Copernicus' heliocentric theory didn't even come along until the 15th century. When Galileo later tried to further the acceptance of heliocentrism, he was found guilty of heresy by the Catholic Church and basically driven underground in his scientific studies.

In other words, what little scientific knowledge there was, was often quickly quashed by the church. At a time when people didn't understand basic ways in which the world around them worked, they used magic to explain it. Magic and superstition were the guiding forces, and they were controlled by the gods. Everyone's goal was basically to stay off the radar and not ask any questions that might draw the ire of the gods or the church that represented them.

What I'm saying is, why, for one second, would you even consider subscribing to the fevered dreams of the scientifically illiterate from over 600 years ago? The question shouldn't be how to disregard it, it should be why would you regard it in the first place?

This would essentially put you in the same category as modern flat-earthers and evolution deniers; of course you're free to believe what you want, but these theories can't stand up to even the slightest breeze of intellectual honesty or critical thinking.

I don't believe in life after death; in fact, I think to do so trivializes the limited time we have on Earth. I don't want to discourage anyone who needs that hope, but no, I don't subscribe to that belief.

Can I disprove it? No. I can't disprove a negative. I can tell you this: just because I don't understand something, or it's a complete unknown to me, doesn't mean the explanation should be "magic". No one who thinks critically should ever fall back on this, ever.

When someone offers an idea or explanation, your only questions should be, "How do you know? Can you prove it?" If they can't, you should automatically be skeptical.

As Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" .

And Hitchens said "an assertion without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

Excellent points you made!
 
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gingerplum

gingerplum

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Nov 5, 2018
1,450
And Hitchens said "an assertion without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

Excellent points you made!

Admittedly, Hitchens could be a bit of an arrogant asshole, but I'm sure usually being the smartest person in the room will wear on anyone's nerves.

Thanks, Smilla. It's kind of my soapbox. Just weird to me that it's the year 2018 and still, still people cling to archaic superstions.

My personal belief is that if men of science hadn't had their work banished by the church, the entire industrial revolution would've happened at least 100 years earlier. Think about how much more advanced we might be today.

This is fascinating; I think you might like it:

 
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Mixk009

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Nov 26, 2018
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I can help you. You're citing religious beliefs from the 13th century, when probably-- outside of Rome, anyway-- more than 70% of the people on the planet couldn't read or write. I think that is likely a generous estimate, and many of those who could read were clergy.

Even if they could read or write, the general population was completely scientifically ignorant. Keppler's laws of planetary motion and Copernicus' heliocentric theory didn't even come along until the 15th century. When Galileo later tried to further the acceptance of heliocentrism, he was found guilty of heresy by the Catholic Church and basically driven underground in his scientific studies.

In other words, what little scientific knowledge there was, was often quickly quashed by the church. At a time when people didn't understand basic ways in which the world around them worked, they used magic to explain it. Magic and superstition were the guiding forces, and they were controlled by the gods. Everyone's goal was basically to stay off the radar and not ask any questions that might draw the ire of the gods or the church that represented them.

What I'm saying is, why, for one second, would you even consider subscribing to the fevered dreams of the scientifically illiterate from over 600 years ago? The question shouldn't be how to disregard it, it should be why would you regard it in the first place?

This would essentially put you in the same category as modern flat-earthers and evolution deniers; of course you're free to believe what you want, but these theories can't stand up to even the slightest breeze of intellectual honesty or critical thinking.

I don't believe in life after death; in fact, I think to do so trivializes the limited time we have on Earth. I don't want to discourage anyone who needs that hope, but no, I don't subscribe to that belief.

Can I disprove it? No. I can't disprove a negative. I can tell you this: just because I don't understand something, or it's a complete unknown to me, doesn't mean the explanation should be "magic". No one who thinks critically should ever fall back on this, ever.

When someone offers an idea or explanation, your only questions should be, "How do you know? Can you prove it?" If they can't, you should automatically be skeptical.

As Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" .

Scientism is extremely annoying and arrogant. It's dogma. Science should be taught amongst a variety of views to see the world in multiple truths and realities. Because that's all there is. No one perspective is perfect.
 
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gingerplum

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I'm sorry you feel that way. Nice to meet you, btw! What a pleasant introduction.
 
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Smilla

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Scientism is extremely annoying and arrogant. It's dogma. Science should be taught amongst a variety of views to see the world in multiple truths and realities. Because that's all there is. No one perspective is perfect.

It's not perspective. It's the scientific method.
 
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Smilla

Smilla

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Yeah and you're misuing the scientific method.

Hypothesis, testing, proof/evidence.

Repeat experiment to yield same results to confirm evidence or not.


????????

God hypothesis...how tested? Evidence?

Blind controls, data, etc etc.
 
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gingerplum

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Nov 5, 2018
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Yeah and you're misuing the scientific method.
How is anyone here "misusing the scientific method"? Can you please elaborate?
 
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therhydler

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Hypothesis, testing, proof/evidence.

Repeat experiment to yield same results to confirm evidence or not.


????????

But how can this be used to prove/disprove anything about what happens after death?
 
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gingerplum

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But how can this be used to prove/disprove anything about what happens after death?

It can't. That's why we can only discuss what we believe, and why.
 
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Buddyluv19

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Dec 13, 2018
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Admittedly, Hitchens could be a bit of an arrogant asshole, but I'm sure usually being the smartest person in the room will wear on anyone's nerves.

Thanks, Smilla. It's kind of my soapbox. Just weird to me that it's the year 2018 and still, still people cling to archaic superstions.

My personal belief is that if men of science hadn't had their work banished by the church, the entire industrial revolution would've happened at least 100 years earlier. Think about how much more advanced we might be today.

This is fascinating; I think you might like it:



Great video with Tyson. Since he brought it up regarding 'Naming Things', maybe it's time for a new 'heavy element'. I propose: 'Suicidium'. You'd have to look up the latest atomic number on the table and add '1' to it. I'm to lazy to do that.

But these discussions remind me of the 'larger scheme' of belief creation and how we got here. I find this discussion interesting and it gives me some distraction -but it does not motivate me to want to live. In fact, it just makes me feel ant to die more.
 
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Woohoo!!! Look at what I've kicked off!!
 
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