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We're all going to die eventually
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If we're all going to die eventually, then what's the point of forcing us to suffer until we're old? The idea that everyone should go through life no matter how life turns out is a moral failing on behalf of our society. There is only one answer.
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If we're all going to die eventually, then what's the point of forcing us to suffer until we're old? The idea that everyone should go through life no matter how life turns out is a moral failing on behalf of our society. There is only one answer.
Right. Everyone's job here at this point should be nothing other than making this world a better happier more loveing place to live. FUCK money and politics and tv and everything else. When we can as a group say "THIS WORLD IS FIT FOR ANOTHER CHILD" that is when our job is done. This world is not fit for children now and has not been for far too long. This world isnt even fit for adults as we constantly hurt and ignore each other.
We are allowed to leave! At any time anyway that we see fit. We are freely allowed to leave. Even though at times that seems like a hard and sad and difficult thing for anyone to do. We do not have to stay here. We can go any time we choose. It would be nice if there was an easier way to go but that's not how it works. Even though it makes others sad or angry or we have to give up on the ones we love who stay behind WE ARE ABSOLUTELY ALLOWED TO JUST GO. If you have had enough just go. If you don't see a way our just go. If you are tired from any pain or discomfort in this life so far just go. Nobody can take that from you. I also think that CTB has good outcomes as well because more and more people left behind will have a chance to wake up and see what we need to change here. So its good to keep that in mind. It will take a long time to fix this world but suicide will actually help with that. More suicides means we are not there yet. Less suicides means we are finally on the right track. It will sadly take a long time from now but who knows when the final suicide(s) will cause an actual change? ❤
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Right. Everyone's job here at this point should be nothing other than making this world a better happier more loveing place to live. FUCK money and politics and tv and everything else. When we can as a group say "THIS WORLD IS FIT FOR ANOTHER CHILD" that is when our job is done. This world is not fit for children now and has not been for far too long. This world isnt even fit for adults as we constantly hurt and ignore each other.
We are allowed to leave! At any time anyway that we see fit. We are freely allowed to leave. Even though at times that seems like a hard and sad and difficult thing for anyone to do. We do not have to stay here. We can go any time we choose. It would be nice if there was an easier way to go but that's not how it works. Even though it makes others sad or angry or we have to give up on the ones we love who stay behind WE ARE ABSOLUTELY ALLOWED TO JUST GO. If you have had enough just go. If you don't see a way our just go. If you are tired from any pain or discomfort in this life so far just go. Nobody can take that from you. I also think that CTB has good outcomes as well because more and more people left behind will have a chance to wake up and see what we need to change here. So its good to keep that in mind. It will take a long time to fix this world but suicide will actually help with that. More suicides means we are not there yet. Less suicides means we are finally on the right track. It will sadly take a long time from now but who knows when the final suicide(s) will cause an actual change? ❤
Here's the thing. I don't think we can ever truly fix this world. We will always have problems. The battle never ends. You should not be obligated to fix the world. Most people aren't cut out for that. Just find something that makes you happy. What about people who can't give back because they're irreparably damaged?
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Here's the thing. I don't think we can ever truly fix this world. We will always have problems. The battle never ends. You should not be obligated to fix the world. Most people aren't cut out for that. Just find something that makes you happy. What about people who can't give back because they're irreparably damaged?
This is also true but what im saying is that if we had "one job" while we did our best to be happy then that would be to try and make this a place worth living. There are good things here even though its sometimes hard to see that when we are down.
This is definitely something I can't understand. Whenever you mention suicide the sentiment is "Stay strong!" "Keep fighting!" etc etc etc
but I don't understand why? We're all going to die anyway so why drag out an excruciating existence? All of your effort will disappear in the end anyway along with everything else.
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They should't impose their views of life on other people when they've lived easy and carefree lives or at the very least have only had temporary or situational problems. The idea that everything is fixable and life is always worth living is a naively optimistic illusion created by normies that know fuck all about life.
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I agree with this view. If every human being has the right to live, shouldn't that also mean that they should have the right to die when they so choose?
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I agree with this view. If every human being has the right to live, shouldn't that also mean that they should have the right to die when they so choose?
Most people don't have the capacity to think that far, they just repeat what they've been hearing their whole life, like some parrots "Everyone has the right to live! Every life is precious!"
What I find really hypocritical from pro-lifers is that most of them are proabably pro-choice when it comes to abortion, deciding about other being's life is fine to them, but if you want to end yours you must be mentally ill... And just to be clear I'm not against abortion, it's just that they aren't consistent.
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There is no objective purpose to life. The reason people are against suicide is because they are delusional or they are selfish. They are delusional because they believe that everyone can be happy in this world. Or they are selfish because they don't want to live life with the grief or sorrow of a loved ones death, even if that loved one desperately wants to die and is suffering . A true friend would be happy and relieved for their friend who is no longer suffering and got what they desired. Even if they miss that person. They know it would be wrong not to support them.
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As an anhedonic you need an obsession, and at the very end of that obsession will be moments of beauty and wonder that will make you forget, for that moment, that you are anhedonic. It's an epic journey though.
This is definitely something I can't understand. Whenever you mention suicide the sentiment is "Stay strong!" "Keep fighting!" etc etc etc
but I don't understand why? We're all going to die anyway so why drag out an excruciating existence? All of your effort will disappear in the end anyway along with everything else.
Haha! That's why we lovingly call it CATCHING THE BUS OUTTA HERE! Everyone seems just fine sinking with the ship. Nobody wants to grab a bucket of thatch or scoop some water or something.
Today and every day (depending on someone's mood) you will see miracles everywhere. The sun and moon and clouds and birds and the city and the country. The people get a little bit harder to see miracles in but even the shittiest person here is a miracle in their own way. However those miracles aren't worth a damn when most if us are so messed up inside that we cant enjoy them anymore. Another reason to go.
From a purely biological point of view it might be an attitude that has arisen from base mechanisms such as the need to survive, and because we evolved as herd animals these mechanisms are pushed onto a collective level - "I have to struggle through life, so you must do too." Though it is just a hypothesis that was thought up while posting this, so it could be wrong.
From a non-biological point of view, and aiming more toward a philosophical/social perspective: if you leave this world before you grow old then you are thought of as going before your time. Dying "before your time" is a standard created by others to decide whether or not you still have potential to benefit them. Just like a tool that is wielded because it serves some function; only after that device has been worn out is it thrown away. But the tool does not have a say in any of this, because it is only an object to its user; just like people that think about leaving this world before they are permitted - a one-sided situation.
When a person commits suicide "before their time" they are effectively removing themselves as a stepping stone for the ambitions of others around them. If anyone and everyone were allowed to end their own lives right now, without judgement or stigma, then the social heirarchy would fall apart. There would be no low-wage workforce to provide everyone else with cheap goods, at the expense of their own well-being. There would be no one to bully and ridicule. There would no longer be any lower-status individuals to look down upon; being at the top of a social order only carries power when there is someone else below to use it on, so those that were once powerful would then be powerless.
Others can choose to discard you once you have outlived your usefulness to them, but at the same time you are not allowed to discard yourself out of your own choice. It is hypocritical.
"You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it." - Sovereign (Mass Effect)
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As an anhedonic you need an obsession, and at the very end of that obsession will be moments of beauty and wonder that will make you forget, for that moment, that you are anhedonic. It's an epic journey though.
If we're all going to die eventually, then what's the point of forcing us to suffer until we're old? The idea that everyone should go through life no matter how life turns out is a moral failing on behalf of our society. There is only one answer.
You had me tell the last bit. Nothing is ever that cut and dry. There may only be one logical answer or conclusion for you but that will wildly vary from individual to individual.
From a purely biological point of view it might be an attitude that has arisen from base mechanisms such as the need to survive, and because we evolved as herd animals these mechanisms are pushed onto a collective level - "I have to struggle through life, so you must do too." Though it is just a hypothesis that was thought up while posting this, so it could be wrong.
From a non-biological point of view, and aiming more toward a philosophical/social perspective: if you leave this world before you grow old then you are thought of as going before your time. Dying "before your time" is a standard created by others to decide whether or not you still have potential to benefit them. Just like a tool that is wielded because it serves some function; only after that device has been worn out is it thrown away. But the tool does not have a say in any of this, because it is only an object to its user; just like people that think about leaving this world before they are permitted - a one-sided situation.
When a person commits suicide "before their time" they are effectively removing themselves as a stepping stone for the ambitions of others around them. If anyone and everyone were allowed to end their own lives right now, without judgement or stigma, then the social heirarchy would fall apart. There would be no low-wage workforce to provide everyone else with cheap goods, at the expense of their own well-being. There would be no one to bully and ridicule. There would no longer be any lower-status individuals to look down upon; being at the top of a social order only carries power when there is someone else below to use it on, so those that were once powerful would then be powerless.
Others can choose to discard you once you have outlived your usefulness to them, but at the same time you are not allowed to discard yourself out of your own choice. It is hypocritical.
"You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it." - Sovereign (Mass Effect)
It's kinda like the churches saying, "Suicide is a horrible sin so please keep living your miserable life while putting money you don't have in the basket and letting us prosper off all your misery.". They kinda keep you around but never do a thing to lift any of us up. Not every single church and preacher but as a whole they also keep us down in many ways. It is also a "learned" behavior therefore it's not exactly natural. Natural is a little more like what Dr.Jack did (the Canadian guy).
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Back when I was getting "hElP" (drugs that made me violent and impulsive, don't add energy to a soulless psyche) my doctor or whatever he was didn't know what anhedonia was. (The most important symptom of depression, which I was being "trEaTed" for). He asked if I was able to taste food. I replied that I have a sense of taste and can know if something is tasty or disgusting, but that I don't get anything out of it. He said that if I have anhedonia (which he just heard of for the first time) then I would not be able to taste the food. In that case I guess SN will taste like water if you're depressed enough.
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Back when I was getting "hElP" (drugs that made me violent and impulsive, don't add energy to a soulless psyche) my doctor or whatever he was didn't know what anhedonia was. (The most important symptom of depression, which I was being "trEaTed" for). He asked if I was able to taste food. I replied that I have a sense of taste and can know if something is tasty or disgusting, but that I don't get anything out of it. He said that if I have anhedonia (which he just heard of for the first time) then I would not be able to taste the food. In that case I guess SN will taste like water if you're depressed enough.
Yeah I had to look it up just now when I saw it. I would say it's like lethargic or apathy but still a little different. Like I guess it's just "blah" all the time. Like no joy in life. It's a good descriptive word.
And if you you're even more depressed your senses will go into the negatives, so that tasty things become disgusting, disgusting things become tasty, and SN will taste like vanilla sugar. Science!
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And if you you're even more depressed your senses will go into the negatives, so that tasty things become disgusting, disgusting things become tasty, and SN will taste like vanilla sugar. Science!
And hanging will feel like getting hugged by friendly bears. I wish I actually had anhedonia, but last time I checked I couldn't even drink cold coffee without wincing.
It's of course highly individual what beauty and wonder are, but to me it could be a hilarious joke, a beautiful woman (can of course also be a trigger), a silent forest, a mezmerising movie, an anarchic concert, and so on and so forth.
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