Ways to blackout before SN kicks in?

[InTheAirTonight]

Any tips or instructions on losing consciousness or blacking out before you can feel the SN? I know Benzos like Xanax are an option but I don't know how many and for fast it works. And I don't think I can get Benzo prescription easily

 

[Aap]

There are a few issues. The first is that SN does not do well in an acidic or reactive environment. This basically rules out taking SN with or immediately before anything. (This basically necessitates IV delivery).

second, regardless of what the PPH, there are PLENTY of reports here that indicate death comes in 1-2 hours, rather than 20m.

third, the vomiting is an issue. If you are unconscious, aspiration is likely, and I suspect the damage and pain to lungs will be quite nasty. Waking up in this condition would not be fun.

There are solutions, but IV drugs are likely heavily involved.

 

[return-nil]

There are a few issues. The first is that SN does not do well in an acidic or reactive environment. This basically rules out taking SN with or immediately before anything. (This basically necessitates IV delivery).

second, regardless of what the PPH, there are PLENTY of reports here that indicate death comes in 1-2 hours, rather than 20m.

third, the vomiting is an issue. If you are unconscious, aspiration is likely, and I suspect the damage and pain to lungs will be quite nasty. Waking up in this condition would not be fun.

There are solutions, but IV drugs are likely heavily involved.

Risk of inhaling vomit can be mitigated with antiemetics and lying belly down with your head facing your side to reduce inhilation risk should the antiemetics not be sufficient. Even if you have convulsions you're not likely to flip yourself over so this should keep you safe from any major lung damage

 

[a.n.kirillov]

You could also lay down like this. Best would be on a couch, with your back against the backrest and you mouth over the edge. Otherwise do it on the bed, but practice the position and see that it is very stable. Although I'm not sure whether this position will hold in case you should have convulsions.

That's what I intent on doing anyway.

 

[return-nil]

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You could also lay down like this. Best would be on a couch, with your back against the backrest and you mouth over the edge. Otherwise do it on the bed, but practice the position and see that it is very stable. Although I'm not sure whether this position will hold in case you should have convulsions.

That's what I intent on doing anyway.

Can confirm that this position is pretty stable, it's how I sleep! The mass of your leg keeps you from rolling over. If your back is to something there's no risk of you rolling over as well should your leg move for whatever reason while you're unconscious

 

[Aap]

Recovery position aside, you can still aspirate. The issue of how unconsciousness is achieved is still present in the sense that timing a large enough dose of whatever with SN is very tricky and could convert nitrite to nitrate.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Recovery position aside, you can still aspirate. The issue of how unconsciousness is achieved is still present in the sense that timing a large enough dose of whatever with SN is very tricky and could convert nitrite to nitrate.

Really? Hoe fast is that process? I mean fifteen or thirty minutes aren't gonna be a problem, are they?

Let's say I took rohypnol, couldn't I simply do a test run with that? Can you take benzos in any other way than orally? Rectally maybe? The knock out drug into the rear end and the SN orally?

 

[RayoSinSol]

I've ordered some Nitrous Oxide canisters in the form of whipped cream canisters to try out as a rehearsal to blacking out before I take SN. Hopefully once that comes I can give some input on the effectiveness of using that to blackout before taking Sodium Nitrite as a method of ending my suffering.

20 minutes- 1 hour is too variable a time for me to cope with. If I can black out on Nitrous Oxide ( which I've never tried before) I plan to, since it it perfectly legal and apparently easy to blackout on.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

I've ordered some Nitrous Oxide canisters in the form of whipped cream canisters to try out as a rehearsal to blacking out before I take SN. Hopefully once that comes I can give some input on the effectiveness of using that to blackout before taking Sodium Nitrite as a method of ending my suffering.

20 minutes- 1 hour is too variable a time for me to cope with. If I can black out on Nitrous Oxide ( which I've never tried before) I plan to, since it it perfectly legal and apparently easy to blackout on.

Isn't nitrous oxide very short acting?

 

[RayoSinSol]

Isn't nitrous oxide very short acting?

Maybe you know more about it than I do, because...I've never tried it before; I've only ordered it as a means of (hopefully) blacking out before taking SN.

How long do you suppose Nitrous Oxide lasts? My SN is supposed to ship to my house today, so I guess I'm extra anxious about making sure my (admittedly janky-ass) form of analgesic is effective before I hopefully use it to blank me out while my SN takes effect.

My nitrous oxide is supposed to arrive in about a week. Until then, I can't really be a genuine resource on its actual effectiveness as a 20 minute - 1 hour limit blackout tool.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

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Maybe you know more about it than I do, because...I've never tried it before; I've only ordered it as a means of (hopefully) blacking out before taking SN.

How long do you suppose Nitrous Oxide lasts? My SN is supposed to ship to my house today, so I guess I'm extra anxious about making sure my (admittedly janky-ass) form of analgesic is effective before I hopefully use it to blank me out while my SN takes effect.

My nitrous oxide is supposed to arrive in about a week. Until then, I can't really be a genuine resource on its actual effectiveness as a 20 minute - 1 hour limit blackout tool.

Peak drug effects, as reported by our subjects, occurred within 30 seconds after the last inhalation of nitrous oxide, persisted for about a minute, and then gradually subsided to near-baseline levels by 5 minutes post-inhalation.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjABegQIChAF&usg=AOvVaw3fjtsedo4xgnssblKpOnaz

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You could use it continuously to sedate yourself though and when you start getting dizzy make yourself black out.

 

[Aap]

I'd start with the mega thread as well as use the search bar. Many of the anecdotal cases here, especially the failures, should indicate that expecting 15-20 minutes to always be the number are mistaken.
If you are using nitrous oxide to blackout:

1. NO itself can cause extreme nausea
2. NO would not last long enough to do anything.

if you are using nitrous, you'd be better off exploring exit bag.

 

[InTheAirTonight]

There are a few issues. The first is that SN does not do well in an acidic or reactive environment. This basically rules out taking SN with or immediately before anything. (This basically necessitates IV delivery).

second, regardless of what the PPH, there are PLENTY of reports here that indicate death comes in 1-2 hours, rather than 20m.

third, the vomiting is an issue. If you are unconscious, aspiration is likely, and I suspect the damage and pain to lungs will be quite nasty. Waking up in this condition would not be fun.

There are solutions, but IV drugs are likely heavily involved.

Sorry but none of this is true. With proper dosage, unconscious is reached within 20-30 min, after which you will not be waking up without medical intervention. Choking to death on your vomit in this state is a non-issue. As for an acidic environment, that's what antacids are used for.

 

[Aap]

Ok, great. If you've made your mind up, then by all means don't let facts or pharmacology get in your way.

 

[Neville1]

@InTheAirTonight

If the funds can be raised and the possibility of legal punishment or sectioning is extremely rare, why wouldn't one try to acquire N? In your country, aren't the most likely bad outcomes being scammed or having it seized by customs. I've not read of anyone there being charged or sectioned for importing N.

 

[I’mDone]

Ok, great. If you've made your mind up, then by all means don't let facts or pharmacology get in your way.

Please can you provide some case histories or other reports? I've also read that sn makes you unconscious in 20-30 minutes. I'd like to understand the opposing view.

 

[Aliali1992]

It is a question that i am trying to answer. Xanax will start working after 30 Minutes to an hour...if it will knock you out or only make you very drowsy remains unclear to me...it depends on the person and tolerance....high doses between 50-100mg should do the job...but bare in mind this doses will increase the danger of side effects (vomiting-seizures) what is the lowest doses that is enough to knock you out? I still don't know and researching

 

[Aap]

opposing point of view? Um any of the failures reported on this site are an indication that one does not always expire peacefully after passing out in 20 minutes. There are Accounts of people who did not survive but did not expire after 20 minutes.

here is one of the common threads of SN: Those that don't succeed don't seem to have any long term damage, and, other than nausea And vomiting, most don't report it as being terribly discomfortable.

This calculus changes if one aspirates a Reactive or concentrated solution. It's not pleasant. If you have seen it, you know it's not pleasant. Posters have said they don't care if they aspirate if unconscious. Fair enough. The issue is that the sedatives being listed may not keep one unconscious. Want to spend your last 10 minutes vomiting and trying to cough the fire out of your lungs? Cool, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Even worse, if it is a fail, you turn a method that doesn't seem to have long term issues into one that can greatly worsen one's situation.

It's almost like saying I want a peaceful cbt, so I'm going to take Xanax, tie a rope around my neck, and then wait until I pass out to fall. You may black out, fall off the stool, and then realize you were not getting quite as peaceful a ctb as expected. Said another way, drinking drano can be fatal but horribly painful. You don't get around that by plugging Xanax

can this goal be achieved (blacking out before sn)? Sure, and I've already given an explanation for how. I can't in good conscious encourage what OP is asking

1. If fail, it significantly increases likelihood that SN goes from no long lasting symptoms to possibly severe and painful ones
2. If not fail, the pain, gag, and aspiration reflexes are powerful and at times revive a sedated individual to consciousness
3 there is a reason exit international/pph do not list a sedative in the SN regimen. They list them in plenty others , but not this

I'm out of this thread for now.

 

[Busdriver]

@Aap, you should stay please to keep the discussion alive, unless you really don't want to.

OP just wants CTB with SN to be as peaceful as possible.
A way too accomplish this is with benzos.
You need to test/practice with benzos dosage to see when you fall asleep.

Best thing is after practice you are sure that e.g. you fall asleep within 30 minutes after taken 30mg of Diazepam, you take 30mg of Diazepam and then around 28 minutes later you take the SN.

I think practicing and estimate the correct onset (time to kick in) is quite tough, because the onset creeps up on you, meaning you can fall asleep between e.g. between 25-35 minutes. It is hard to practice for exactly 30 minutes.

 

[Living sucks]

@Aap, you should stay please to keep the discussion alive, unless you really don't want to.

OP just wants CTB with SN to be as peaceful as possible.
A way too accomplish this is with benzos.
You need to test/practice with benzos dosage to see when you fall asleep.

Best thing is after practice you are sure that e.g. you fall asleep with 30mg of Diazepam, you take 30mg of Diazepam and then around 28 minutes later you take the SN.

I think practicing and estimate he correct onset (time to kick in) is quite tough, because the onset creeps up on you.

Even if you practice and you find that you fall asleep in 28-32 minutes let's say..., this is not under a condition of distres.. when the body senses distress there's no guarantee you're going to still pass out or fall asleep. If you are in pain you will stay awake.. drowsy but awake.

 

[Aap]

The issue I have is that fallIng asleep is not the same as being in an anesthetized state. Say a bone is broken or dislocated. I've seen the bone/joint reduction done with high doses of midazolam. The patient goes to sleep, and when the pain starts, they wake up and scream like a guy having a broken bone set. They just usually don't remember it or remember most of it.

This is NOT the case for propofol or similar. I understand the OP intention, and I don't fault OP at all. The issue I have is taking something that isn't the worst way to go (and if fail doesn't seem to have any long term effects) and greatly increasing the chance for pain either way due to aspiration and adding potentially life long pulmonary damage.

As I said before, there is a reason benzos are not in the PPH procedure for SN, though they are in many others.

 

[Busdriver]

I have the same worries about using benzos in combination with SN. I also wonder if it will induce a peaceful or painful 20 minutes.

I am convinced it can be peaceful according to this expert post of @Quarky00.

I don't know, guys. I think we should use SN with the recommended amount of benzos according to Stan's guide if it really bothers us.
Check Quarky00's posts there and draw conclusions and then discuss further

 

[Pryras]

There are a few issues. The first is that SN does not do well in an acidic or reactive environment. This basically rules out taking SN with or immediately before anything. (This basically necessitates IV delivery).

second, regardless of what the PPH, there are PLENTY of reports here that indicate death comes in 1-2 hours, rather than 20m.

third, the vomiting is an issue. If you are unconscious, aspiration is likely, and I suspect the damage and pain to lungs will be quite nasty. Waking up in this condition would not be fun.

There are solutions, but IV drugs are likely heavily involved.

Oh I'm glad you chimed in, I hadn't really considered that. I was planning on taking a heavy dose of Benzos before taking the SN but now I'm thinking twice

 

[WhatIsMyLife]

How long do you suppose Nitrous Oxide lasts?

Whipped cream canisters(or nangs) have a high of about 30 seconds. It's a nice legal high, but it won't be long enough to mask the effects of SN. DO NOT do more than two nangs within five minutes. It shuts off oxygen to the brain, and can be damaging.

 

[Quarky00]

There are a few issues. The first is that SN does not do well in an acidic or reactive environment. This basically rules out taking SN with or immediately before anything. (This basically necessitates IV delivery).

second, regardless of what the PPH, there are PLENTY of reports here that indicate death comes in 1-2 hours, rather than 20m.

third, the vomiting is an issue. If you are unconscious, aspiration is likely, and I suspect the damage and pain to lungs will be quite nasty. Waking up in this condition would not be fun.

There are solutions, but IV drugs are likely heavily involved.

Sorry , that is not true :)

1. Acidity
   1. According to Stan's Antacid Note not much will be contradicted by stomach acid, though it should be kept low
   2. The fact that acidity interacts does not "rule out taking SN with anything" ... not anything is acidic.
2. Deaths: There aren't "plenty" of reports of death that occurs only after 2 hours .
3. Inhale vomit:
   1. According to FAQ-Intake-Vomiting that's unlikely due to small volume intake
   2. SN even if vomited is fatal , no reported cases of 25g/50ml vomiting that cause SN to fail
   3. There have not been ANY reports of damage to the lungs after SN intake

3 there is a reason exit international/pph do not list a sedative in the SN regimen. They list them in plenty others , but not this

Again, not true.

1. Benzos are sedatives.
2. There are actually reports of using sedatives like Morphine though it will take twice the time, see here and here.
3. Ketamine – safe – member used
4. GBL – safe – Stan himself used some
5. What other methods recommend sedatives? ...

As I said before, there is a reason benzos are not in the PPH procedure for SN, though they are in many others.

Not realy .

1. There are dozens of reports here of people taking benzo with SN ...
2. PPH also rates the availability of 4-drugs cocktail as easy , and changed SN dosage from 15g to 25g , so it's not a bible.
3. There aren't "many" places where PPH suggests benzos ... For example in amytriptyline since it induces severe seizures. A benzo knockout is actually required there, but Ami takes 6h while SN takes 20m.
   1. This suggests benzo useful even if vomiting (common in Ami)

Oh I'm glad you chimed in, I hadn't really considered that. I was planning on taking a heavy dose of Benzos before taking the SN but now I'm thinking twice

The only reason you should think twice is due to the worry that you might fall asleep before taking SN -- benzo's effects and timing are are gradual and not precise (i.e. Xanax effects start in 20m and gradually reach peak in 40m). So that post's warnings like acidity and vomiting are not really the problems that you should consider ...

A way too accomplish this is with benzos.

1. You need to test/practice with benzos dosage to see when you fall asleep.
2. Best thing is after practice you are sure that e.g. you fall asleep with 30mg of Diazepam, you take 30mg of Diazepam and then around 28 minutes later you take the SN.
3. I think practicing and estimate he correct onset (time to kick in) is quite tough, because the onset creeps up on you.

Spot on. Exactly :)

 

[Aap]

This is why I should have done what I said earlier and not returned to this thread. Of course it is possible to achieve terminal sedation along with SN. I indicated this in my first post or two the compounds that you mention are generally MUCH better options than benzos

I'm only relaying what I have seen first hand, many times.

1. Benzos are great for relieving anxiety
2. They are not great when used alone for rendering an individual unconscious under extreme stimuli. (There are tons of drug cocktails when placing someone in an induced coma say in the ICU for mechanical ventilation or for TIVA. None of these are benzo only. Alone, benzos are actually fairly safe because they don't produce the depth of sedation/anesthesia that barbs, propofol, or other compounds do. )
3. Trying to "time" oral benzo (or oral most things) use with SN to achieve what is being asked is a losing game. There will be extreme acute anxiety that will impact the time to unconsciousness. Likewise, taking a large quantity of pills can result in a beazor and delayed gastric emptying. A suspension of crushed pills will start to double or quadruple the volumes of water suggested and still not eliminate the timing issues.

I think the reason I view the pph more highly is the peaceful aspect and inherent desire of dr. n to avoid rampant speculation in favor of more medical or biochemical soundness. Absorption from the gi is complicated, and even more so when you add a reactive substance. There haven't been any aspiration reports with SN because SN isn't being taken in conjunction with high dose benzos. The individual is lucid enough to vomit.

Simply because SN works and taking a handful of Xanax can make most people sleep quite a while are both true does not mean both of these together are even better than one alone.

A standard dose of lorazepam, diazepam, or alprazolam an hour or 90 minutes before certainly could have a place. I've seen aspiration or pain stimuli under high doses of benzodiazepines alone. It isn't pretty.

 

[NoSentimentality]

Please note that if you intend to answer this post, do it strictly fact-based without any bs.
-I.e personal opinion, belief & preferance, thank you.


Does anyone (merited) know if SN + medium dose of syntethic morphine would be (close to an guarantee of) a peaceful "ctb"?

Would it be more effective before, simultaneously, or after? (Patient has zero tolerance.)

Should I specify substance? Suggestions (with fact-based motivations) are welcomed.


Is IV required?


(For the record, I am doing research for a novel/book.)

 

[Living sucks]

Please note that if you intend to answer this post, do it strictly fact-based without any bs.
-I.e personal opinion, belief & preferance, thank you.


Does anyone (merited) know if SN + medium dose of syntethic morphine would be (close to an guarantee of) a peaceful "ctb"?

Would it be more effective before, simultaneously, or after? (Patient has zero tolerance.)

Should I specify substance? Suggestions (with fact-based motivations) are welcomed.


Is IV required?


(For the record, I am doing research for a novel/book.)

I am not responding with any factual information for you... however, I'm attaching an actual fatal account using SN and morphine. And the other meds. Might help
You.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful.30211/post-567054

 

[NoSentimentality]

I am not responding with any factual information for you... however, I'm attaching an actual fatal account using SN and morphine. And the other meds. Might help
You.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful.30211/post-567054

Thank you, much obliged.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

opposing point of view? Um any of the failures reported on this site are an indication that one does not always expire peacefully after passing out in 20 minutes. There are Accounts of people who did not survive but did not expire after 20 minutes.

here is one of the common threads of SN: Those that don't succeed don't seem to have any long term damage, and, other than nausea And vomiting, most don't report it as being terribly discomfortable.

This calculus changes if one aspirates a Reactive or concentrated solution. It's not pleasant. If you have seen it, you know it's not pleasant. Posters have said they don't care if they aspirate if unconscious. Fair enough. The issue is that the sedatives being listed may not keep one unconscious. Want to spend your last 10 minutes vomiting and trying to cough the fire out of your lungs? Cool, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Even worse, if it is a fail, you turn a method that doesn't seem to have long term issues into one that can greatly worsen one's situation.

It's almost like saying I want a peaceful cbt, so I'm going to take Xanax, tie a rope around my neck, and then wait until I pass out to fall. You may black out, fall off the stool, and then realize you were not getting quite as peaceful a ctb as expected. Said another way, drinking drano can be fatal but horribly painful. You don't get around that by plugging Xanax

can this goal be achieved (blacking out before sn)? Sure, and I've already given an explanation for how. I can't in good conscious encourage what OP is asking

1. If fail, it significantly increases likelihood that SN goes from no long lasting symptoms to possibly severe and painful ones
2. If not fail, the pain, gag, and aspiration reflexes are powerful and at times revive a sedated individual to consciousness
3 there is a reason exit international/pph do not list a sedative in the SN regimen. They list them in plenty others , but not this

I'm out of this thread for now.

Quality post