Discussion Wanting to die out of curiosity.

[idiotmother]

I cant wait to become energy . There is a lot our human brain cant understand , its limited

Yes indeed. We are tiny dust mites in a football stadium basically, there's so much more out there.

 

[honorando]

i mean aside from the scientific aspect, It is quite interesting.
I dont really want to exist in this form again, maybe ill reincarnate or wake up as a 8D being. lol. Its a nice thought

 

[Sadbanana]

I would recommend looking into non duality. Maybe there is a way to experience unfiltered reality without dying.

 

[plsyapyap]

Anyone else feel this way? Don't get me wrong, I think there is something deeply wrong with this world - I've essentially been a prisoner in my own life for 30 years. No freedom, no relief. For the longest time, I was sure I wanted to kill myself because life was so unfair. Non-existence seemed appealing. But now my stance has changed. I am so curious about what happens after we die.

So many people seem to think we 'disappear' and our consciousness ceases to function. I don't believe that. I think consciousness is not confined to the body, and that after we die, we get to experience unfiltered perception. What if reality is just a simulation? And killing yourself is just the end of this save file? What if you can play another game after you die?

If you look at near-death experiences and OBE reports, most survivors seem to agree that consciousness persists and that 'dying' is like waking up from a realistic dream. In other words, we return to where we came from.

i used to feel this way when I was having an existential crisis. I was questioning everything, and that's when this thought hit me. I thought of dying out of curiosity, but I have a stronger curiosity toward things that can only be experienced by living — like what does it feel like to climb a mountain? or what does it feel like to be a millionaire?


And since my death is certain, i'll eventually find out what happens after death when I naturally die. That's why I dropped the thought of dying out of curiosity, but I did think of it.

 

[G50]

My concern is if our consciousness was miserable in this life will we continue being unhappy in the afterlife.

From the many NDE reports I have read, none of the pain or misery gets carried over into the afterlife realm. In this heavenly realm, there is only bliss and indescribably beauty. People who are a car accident, for example, and are in excruciating pain, report that once they leave their body, and become a conscious awareness floating outside of their body, there is only calm and tranquility.

One point to be aware of though: in a few NDEs, some people do not arrive in the heavenly environment, but land in a nightmarish Hell. These hellish environments may appear as a dark abyss, a barren wasteland, a fiery pit, or other desolate landscapes.

The strongest feature of this hellish world is not the landscape, however, but the overwhelmingly negative emotions felt, such as terror, despair, abandonment, hopelessness, shame, and a sense of being utterly cut off from love, light and God.

But individuals arriving in the hellish realm are usually able to escape and get into Heaven by calling out for help or focusing on love. In some cases, the person does not escape hellish world on their own; instead, a divine being, an angel or a deceased loved one arrives to rescue them.

However, the NDEs involving Hell are a minority, only around 15%. And there does not appear to be any relationship between whether you were good or bad in your life, and whether you land in Hell during an NDE. It's just random. But it's good to keep in mind the escape techniques that people have reported allowed them to escape from the hellish realm during their NDE, such as focusing on love, or calling out for help.

 

[divinemistress36]

From the many NDE reports I have read, none of the pain or misery gets carried over into the afterlife realm. In this heavenly realm, there is only bliss and indescribably beauty. People who are a car accident, for example, and are in excruciating pain, report that once they leave their body, and become a conscious awareness floating outside of their body, there is only calm and tranquility.

One point to be aware of though: in a few NDEs, some people do not arrive in the heavenly environment, but land in a nightmarish Hell. These hellish environments may appear as a dark abyss, a barren wasteland, a fiery pit, or other desolate landscapes.

The strongest feature of this hellish world is not the landscape, however, but the overwhelmingly negative emotions felt, such as terror, despair, abandonment, hopelessness, shame, and a sense of being utterly cut off from love, light and God.

But individuals arriving in the hellish realm are usually able to escape and get into Heaven by calling out for help or focusing on love. In some cases, the person does not escape hellish world on their own; instead, a divine being, an angel or a deceased loved one arrives to rescue them.

However, the NDEs involving Hell are a minority, only around 15%. And there does not appear to be any relationship between whether you were good or bad in your life, and whether you land in Hell during an NDE. It's just random. But it's good to keep in mind the escape techniques that people have reported allowed them to escape from the hellish realm during their NDE, such as focusing on love, or calling out for help.

I have a couple of brain injury friends who were pronounced dead and came back and had ndes pretty cool

 

[copioushopelessness]

From the many NDE reports I have read, none of the pain or misery gets carried over into the afterlife realm. In this heavenly realm, there is only bliss and indescribably beauty. People who are a car accident, for example, and are in excruciating pain, report that once they leave their body, and become a conscious awareness floating outside of their body, there is only calm and tranquility.

One point to be aware of though: in a few NDEs, some people do not arrive in the heavenly environment, but land in a nightmarish Hell. These hellish environments may appear as a dark abyss, a barren wasteland, a fiery pit, or other desolate landscapes.

The strongest feature of this hellish world is not the landscape, however, but the overwhelmingly negative emotions felt, such as terror, despair, abandonment, hopelessness, shame, and a sense of being utterly cut off from love, light and God.

But individuals arriving in the hellish realm are usually able to escape and get into Heaven by calling out for help or focusing on love. In some cases, the person does not escape hellish world on their own; instead, a divine being, an angel or a deceased loved one arrives to rescue them.

However, the NDEs involving Hell are a minority, only around 15%. And there does not appear to be any relationship between whether you were good or bad in your life, and whether you land in Hell during an NDE. It's just random. But it's good to keep in mind the escape techniques that people have reported allowed them to escape from the hellish realm during their NDE, such as focusing on love, or calling out for help.

Thank you

 

[hell toupee]

Nope, there is no evidence that consciousness persists after death. I understand people trying to feel comfortable with this thought but there really isn't evidence.

Nothing to do with feeling comfortable.

You have a "belief" in absolutes, I don't.

The study of quantum physics should tell you that verifiable evidence is not based on the reality we find ourselves in - it's an approximation based on perspective.

Do you believe a wall is solid matter? Or just slow moving energy? What you perceive, and what exists in the form of "evidence", does not always square.

All that aside, how do explain numerous studies on near death experiences? Just an endogenous release of dmt from the pineal gland? Does DMT allow you to see and hear things when there is no electrical activity in the brain? If so, that flies in the face of proven science and how sensory organs work. The brain relies on electrical activity to operate, In the absence of such, how can someone perceive something where no electrical activity is measured? This would effectually force you to admit that we don't know all there is to know. Hence my second sentence above.

 

[nihilistkaze7]

We should be seeking out understanding and not just confirmation of our existing beliefs. The topic of life after death can be sensitive, but there are many rational ways to approach it beyond purely scientific frameworks. Philosophy can meaningfully challenge science on this subject, so it would be a mistake to close your mind to the full range of possibilities.

I don't think you're nuts. Seems like most people on here believe it's just nothingness which i don't think makes any sense. I mean it does given the limits of human knowledge but consciousness is such a broad, unique phenomenon it can't just disappear.

You can absolutely logicize the dissolution of consciousness. The problem is comprehension, because our minds are wired to experience everything through narratives. It's like asking a camera to photograph 'nothing' - not darkness, but the absence of any space in which a photo could exist. There's nothing to capture, not even the act of capture itself.

'The Ego Tunnel' by Thomas Metzinger is probably the gold standard on the subject, drawing heavily from neuroscience. It is worth a read no matter what you believe in.

 

[intr0verse]

Nothing to do with feeling comfortable.

You have a "belief" in absolutes, I don't.

The study of quantum physics should tell you that verifiable evidence is not based on the reality we find ourselves in - it's an approximation based on perspective.

Do you believe a wall is solid matter? Or just slow moving energy? What you perceive, and what exists in the form of "evidence", does not always square.

All that aside, how do explain numerous studies on near death experiences? Just an endogenous release of dmt from the pineal gland? Does DMT allow you to see and hear things when there is no electrical activity in the brain? If so, that flies in the face of proven science and how sensory organs work. The brain relies on electrical activity to operate, In the absence of such, how can someone perceive something where no electrical activity is measured? This would effectually force you to admit that we don't know all there is to know. Hence my second sentence above.

No matter how many words and how complex phrases you'd use, these are actually showing there is no evidence for the persistence of consciousness. If there would be, it would be a fact. If someday, in my lifetime, someone would present evidence for the persistence of consciousness after biological death, i will accept it just as i accept gravity today but in the meanwhile there isn't. I would still think my current position was correct that is, not believing the claim until scientifically proven.
Regarding the NDE's, i think a team of doctors did a small experiment where they would write something on a piece of paper and place that above in the operating room asking thise who claimed to have an NDE to recall what was writen on it....well, none of them was able to tell. NDE' happens in the person brain most likely in waking-up phase and please don't tell me a person waking up from anesthesia would have a perfect sense of time. Near-death is not death.

 

[nihilistkaze7]

No matter how many words and how complex phrases you'd use, these are actually showing there is no evidence for the persistence of consciousness. If there would be, it would be a fact. If someday, in my lifetime, someone would present evidence for the persistence of consciousness after biological death, i will accept it just as i accept gravity today but in the meanwhile there isn't. I would still think my current position was correct that is, not believing the claim until scientifically proven.
Regarding the NDE's, i think a team of doctors did a small experiment where they would write something on a piece of paper and place that above in the operating room asking thise who claimed to have an NDE to recall what was writen on it....well, none of them was able to tell. NDE' happens in the person brain most likely in waking-up phase and please don't tell me a person waking up from anesthesia would have a perfect sense of time. Near-death is not death.
Oh, please read actual quantum physics and the mumbo-jumbo new age crap.

Do you think our current science might be missing aspects of consciousness that we can't yet observe? Or is it certain that what can't be measured today doesn't exist at all?

it's worth considering how we define evidence and whether our current methods can fully capture complex experiences like NDEs. To reflect on this is not necessarily abandoning science, it's just recognizing that we have limits of what we can measure.

 

[rustcohle4life]

Best case scenario it's lights out or something peaceful. Worst case is re-incarnation or some even worse existence. No one knows for sure, and no i don't think merely being curious about it is a good reason at all to CTB. You will eventually find out anyway.

 

[intr0verse]

Do you think our current science might be missing aspects of consciousness that we can't yet observe? Or is it certain that what can't be measured today doesn't exist at all?

it's worth considering how we define evidence and whether our current methods can fully capture complex experiences like NDEs. To reflect on this is not necessarily abandoning science, it's just recognizing that we have limits of what we can measure.

Some NDE's happen with traumatized brains, a small number of traumatized brains. Other NDE's happen with people looking for publicity, for themselves or for their religious/s[iritual/new age/ organizations.
I do agree that science currently doesn't know everything about how the brain works and maybe i won't even live to see it fully explained but from what they know so far, there is no evidence that "consciousness" can persist after biological death and my bet is there never will be.
There is an experiment where a women is implanted small electrods near her claustrum and when that part of the brain is stimulated, she's losing her consciousness but she's still awake, obviously she doesn't remember "freezing in time". Consciousness is just a term we give to the whole complex synchronized activity of all the parts of the brain rather than a mysterious entity that will persist after the brain rots.

 

[TooMuch.]

Anyone else feel this way? Don't get me wrong, I think there is something deeply wrong with this world - I've essentially been a prisoner in my own life for 30 years. No freedom, no relief. For the longest time, I was sure I wanted to kill myself because life was so unfair. Non-existence seemed appealing. But now my stance has changed. I am so curious about what happens after we die.

So many people seem to think we 'disappear' and our consciousness ceases to function. I don't believe that. I think consciousness is not confined to the body, and that after we die, we get to experience unfiltered perception. What if reality is just a simulation? And killing yourself is just the end of this save file? What if you can play another game after you die?

If you look at near-death experiences and OBE reports, most survivors seem to agree that consciousness persists and that 'dying' is like waking up from a realistic dream. In other words, we return to where we came from.

If that concept interests you you should look into shifting