Want to reduce SN due to weak stomach. Help please!

[shame]

I don't want to through it all up. As I have weak stomach and I'm reaaaaly petite, guess ~16g would be enough (and 60-70 ml of water). Any thoughts, please.

 

[DarkestSoul]

Usually in every SN protocol , recommended water qty is twice the gms of SN.
But if you have a weak stomach you can try around 40-50 ml of water.
And you still can't bring yourself to drink it ; you can go for 60-70ml of water but you'll have to make sure that you do not throw up.

The reason for less water qty is you can realise how much of SN you puked out and if extra cup of SN is required or not after the vomit.

Hope you find peace.

 

[ChefTesta]

I've been looking into putting SN into capsules, as I too know I will throw up if i partake of SN in water. and while I know it is not recommended, a very helpful individual just sourced me 3 threads of successful CTB with SN in pill form. Look at the recent thread I just created if interested. I apologize, as I do not know how to attach threads or posts yet as I am new to this site.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Any amount of SN that is going to be lethal to you is going to be recognized by your body as an invader (poison), and the body is going to take measures to expel it (vomit). The best chance of success is by following full protocol, especially AE's, even if you have a weak stomach. I can't speak to successes via capsule. Were the stories corroborated, or are they only anecdotal?

 

[ChefTesta]

Any amount of SN that is going to be lethal to you is going to be recognized by your body as an invader (poison), and the body is going to take measures to expel it (vomit). The best chance of success is by following full protocol, especially AE's, even if you have a weak stomach. I can't speak to successes via capsule. Were the stories corroborated, or are they only anecdotal?

Of the 3 threads I read, all 3 took capsules and did not continue to post on their goodbye thread, so I would assume that's considered as close to a confirmation as you can get

 

[Richard Langford]

Of the 3 threads I read, all 3 took capsules and did not continue to post on their goodbye thread, so I would assume that's considered as close to a confirmation as you can get

Possibly.

Possibly. Can you put up the threads pleaae?

 

[Richard Langford]

Do you know how to link/attach threads? I'm sorry I'm new to this site

Just copy and paste

 

[ChefTesta]

Are there any confirmed/documented cases of a successful CTB with SN in pill form?

I understand that this is not the recommended method, just curious as to if it's been done

sanctioned-suicide.net

Located in the thread I just recently created

 

[shame]

Of the 3 threads I read, all 3 took capsules and did not continue to post on their goodbye thread, so I would assume that's considered as close to a confirmation as you can get

Thanks. I was shocked to read your post about 35 g and survived. Did you vomit immediately?

 

[ChefTesta]

Thanks. I was shocked to read your post about 35 g and survived. Did you vomit immediately?

No. I backed out twice smh. Ended up pouring both doses down the drain on separate occasions. I just knew I would throw up as I have a weaker stomach+the combination of the taste+SI I suppose lol. Why I have been looking into capsules recently as I have extensive experience popping pills lmao and won't have to worry about saltiness/taste. Still going to do antiemetics tho

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Of the 3 threads I read, all 3 took capsules and did not continue to post on their goodbye thread, so I would assume that's considered as close to a confirmation as you can get

Possibly

This^

From the PPH:

A drug's lethal efficacy usually depends on a rapid rise in the level of the drug in a person's blood (ie. at a rate that is too fast for the body's normal excretion mechanisms to operate effectively). Slow Release forms of a drug do not cause a steep rise in the blood level of the drug. Crushing or dissolving the drugs before consumption is unlikely to alter this. Powdered, slow release drugs are still slow release. Morphine (NOT the NOC 42058-901.01 best end of life drug - see Chapter Morphine 1 ae is often prescribed in slow elease tablet forms to ensure long Sulfate periods of pain control, and is less Extended-Release effective in this form. Tablets Enteric Coating (EC) is a way of treating some pharmaceuticals so that the active ingredient passes to a more receptive part of the gut before being absorbed into the bloodstream. Examples of EC drugs include those that may be partially destroyed by the strong acid environment of the stomach, but yet are stable, potent and
readily absorbed in the alkaline duodenum and upper small intestine. Drugs with Enteric Coating will inevitably slow the release of the drug in question and are best avoided. Some antiemetic (anti-vomiting) drugs come in EC forms.

Since SN is effectively being used as a drug to ctb, I think that by putting SN into a capsule, that (slowing release of drug) is essentially what you're doing and the desired rise in blood concentration levels will not be achieved quickly as desired, if at all. I think by putting SN into a capsule, you're just introducing another variable into an already complicated protocol. Of course, as with anything, ymmv. You gotta do what you feel is best for you. Good luck.

 

[Richard Langford]

This^

From the PPH:

A drug's lethal efficacy usually depends on a rapid rise in the level of the drug in a person's blood (ie. at a rate that is too fast for the body's normal excretion mechanisms to operate effectively). Slow Release forms of a drug do not cause a steep rise in the blood level of the drug. Crushing or dissolving the drugs before consumption is unlikely to alter this. Powdered, slow release drugs are still slow release. Morphine (NOT the NOC 42058-901.01 best end of life drug - see Chapter Morphine 1 ae is often prescribed in slow elease tablet forms to ensure long Sulfate periods of pain control, and is less Extended-Release effective in this form. Tablets Enteric Coating (EC) is a way of treating some pharmaceuticals so that the active ingredient passes to a more receptive part of the gut before being absorbed into the bloodstream. Examples of EC drugs include those that may be partially destroyed by the strong acid environment of the stomach, but yet are stable, potent and
readily absorbed in the alkaline duodenum and upper small intestine. Drugs with Enteric Coating will inevitably slow the release of the drug in question and are best avoided. Some antiemetic (anti-vomiting) drugs come in EC forms.

Since SN is effectively being used as a drug to ctb, I think that by putting SN into a capsule, that (slowing release of drug) is essentially what you're doing and the desired rise in blood concentration levels will not be achieved quickly as desired, if at all. I think by putting SN into a capsule, you're just introducing another variable into an already complicated protocol. Of course, as with anything, ymmv. You gotta do what you feel is best for you. Good luck.

I'm not sure. It may work. I'm prepared to see if it does successfully.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I'm not sure. It may work. I'm prepared to see if it does successfully.

You too, huh?

 

[NitrogenAfternoon]

The capsules idea has some promise to it, these threads can't be denied. It will just bring on more anxiety because it will probably take longer to take hold. But if you do this with a benzo and pass out, I really think this is the ideal way to go about it. We can't ignore the passing of previous members here, they have been thoughtful enough to post threads about this method and procedure and have had success with it. One of them even tried both the capsule and the drink and recommended the capsule. That is first hand advice and I choose to value it. I am considering capsules now too.

 

[ChefTesta]

This^

From the PPH:

A drug's lethal efficacy usually depends on a rapid rise in the level of the drug in a person's blood (ie. at a rate that is too fast for the body's normal excretion mechanisms to operate effectively). Slow Release forms of a drug do not cause a steep rise in the blood level of the drug. Crushing or dissolving the drugs before consumption is unlikely to alter this. Powdered, slow release drugs are still slow release. Morphine (NOT the NOC 42058-901.01 best end of life drug - see Chapter Morphine 1 ae is often prescribed in slow elease tablet forms to ensure long Sulfate periods of pain control, and is less Extended-Release effective in this form. Tablets Enteric Coating (EC) is a way of treating some pharmaceuticals so that the active ingredient passes to a more receptive part of the gut before being absorbed into the bloodstream. Examples of EC drugs include those that may be partially destroyed by the strong acid environment of the stomach, but yet are stable, potent and
readily absorbed in the alkaline duodenum and upper small intestine. Drugs with Enteric Coating will inevitably slow the release of the drug in question and are best avoided. Some antiemetic (anti-vomiting) drugs come in EC forms.

Since SN is effectively being used as a drug to ctb, I think that by putting SN into a capsule, that (slowing release of drug) is essentially what you're doing and the desired rise in blood concentration levels will not be achieved quickly as desired, if at all. I think by putting SN into a capsule, you're just introducing another variable into an already complicated protocol. Of course, as with anything, ymmv. You gotta do what you feel is best for you. Good luck.

In your opinion, do you think capsules that dissolve immediately or let's say a capsule that dissolves in 1 hour would work better?

In your opinion, do you think capsules that dissolve immediately or let's say a capsule that dissolves in 1 hour would work better?

What do you guys think? @NitrogenAfternoon @Richard Langford

 

[Richard Langford]

I'm watching carefully too. It'll certainly get 25g of the stuff in to you. It might stop the vomiting aspect. I'm open minded. All it takes is 5mg after all. If it works it then becomes extremely peaceful.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

In your opinion, do you think capsules that dissolve immediately or let's say a capsule that dissolves in 1 hour would work better?

I don't see how there would be any benefit, or difference, in taking SN in a capsule that dissolved imnediately vs just drinking the SN mixture. As far as the 1 hour capsule, it's going to act as time-release since some of the SN is going to release as the capsule dissolves, so we're right back at the "issue" of too small of amount of SN not achieving desired levels.

 

[Richard Langford]

I don't see how there would be any benefit, or difference, in taking SN in a capsule that dissolved imnediately vs just drinking the SN mixture. As far as the 1 hour capsule, it's going to act as time-release since some of the SN is going to release as the capsule dissolves, so we're right back at the "issue" of too small of amount of SN not achieving desired levels.

My understanding is the intention is that it wouldn't disolve in the stomach so no vomiting and of course no horrible salty taste.

The capsules idea has some promise to it, these threads can't be denied. It will just bring on more anxiety because it will probably take longer to take hold. But if you do this with a benzo and pass out, I really think this is the ideal way to go about it. We can't ignore the passing of previous members here, they have been thoughtful enough to post threads about this method and procedure and have had success with it. One of them even tried both the capsule and the drink and recommended the capsule. That is first hand advice and I choose to value it. I am considering capsules now too.

This could indeed be a game changer. SN in Gastric resistant Capsules that pass through the stomach releasing their contents further along the digestive tract - eliminating any vomiting.

That combined with Benzo's that just put you to sleep peacefully from which you dont wake up.

Opinions on this please.

 

[losing hope]

I also have a weak stomach & throat due to heavy smoking. INSTEAD of capsules am considering drinking My SN in stages. Only a few seconds in between chugs (not sips!). As I think that might be more reliable potentially than capsules.

 

[Richard Langford]

I also have a weak stomach & throat due to heavy smoking. INSTEAD of capsules am considering drinking My SN in stages. Only a few seconds in between chugs (not sips!). As I think that might be more reliable potentially than capsules.

I think the GASTRIC RESISTANT capsules idea should be fully examined. It would (1) eliminate the salty taste and (2) eliminate any vomiting as they would deposit their contents in the intestines. This combined with Benzo's would 'potentially' be the holy grail wouldn't it? A peaceful passing in one's sleep?

 

[be or not to be]

Enteric capsules have always been my choice. But no one has documented the experience. We don't know how long it took for die.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

My understanding is the intention is that it wouldn't disolve in the stomach so no vomiting and of course no horrible salty taste.

The stomach is the only place it can dissolve. I don't think it works by passing directly to the small intestine and dissolving there. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Eudaimonic]

It seems like absorption would be poorer/slower, release might be inconsistent, overall effectiveness might be lower, and death could take longer.

I understand wanting to make the method more peaceful, but why introduce another potential cause of failure?

 

[ChefTesta]

"Yes, sodium nitrite is readily absorbed in the intestine, with studies showing that a large majority (around 90-95%) of ingested sodium nitrite is absorbed through the gastrointestinal tract, primarily in the small intestine, making its absorption highly efficient."

"Nitrite intake through the oral route results in its rapid absorption through the gastrointestinal tract"

Just found these quotes from medical sites

@locked*n*loaded

 

[locked*n*loaded]

"Yes, sodium nitrite is readily absorbed in the intestine, with studies showing that a large majority (around 90-95%) of ingested sodium nitrite is absorbed through the gastrointestinal tract, primarily in the small intestine, making its absorption highly efficient."

"Nitrite intake through the oral route results in its rapid absorption through the gastrointestinal tract"

Just found these quotes from medical sites

@locked*n*loaded

I was referring to dissolving of the capsule itself.

 

[oneeyed]

What about potato starch sheets? I'm sure there's a proper name for them but they're these super thin sheets of potato starch you can use to take herbal supplements and such. Put the supplement in the center, wrap it up, a quick dip in water seals it up and you swallow the thing whole.

 

[Richard Langford]

The stomach is the only place it can dissolve. I don't think it works by passing directly to the small intestine and dissolving there. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong (if you're talking about the medical concept).

Capsules that are gastro-resistant have a special coating that bypasses the stomach and digests in the intestines. Whatever the contents are medically will still get into you from there. Look it up.

What about potato starch sheets? I'm sure there's a proper name for them but they're these super thin sheets of potato starch you can use to take herbal supplements and such. Put the supplement in the center, wrap it up, a quick dip in water seals it up and you swallow the thing whole.

You dont need that. Just use gastro-resistant capsules. Science has done it for you.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

You're wrong (if you're talking about the medical concept).

Capsules that are gastro-resistant have a special coating that bypasses the stomach and digests in the intestines. Whatever the contents are medically will still get into you from there. Look it up.

That's fine. I asked to be corrected. Still, in the case of SN, it's not recommended to use capsules that dissolve thereby allowing the SN to "trickle" into one's system. It tells you that in the PPH. Look it up.

 

[Richard Langford]

That's fine. I asked to be corrected. Still, in the case of SN, it's not recommended to use capsules that dissolve thereby allowing the SN to "trickle" into one's system. It tells you that in the PPH. Look it up.

But the PPH is just plain wrong on certain things (it recommends). That's often said on here. And there's often no logically reason why it recommends why it does what it does.
And it wouldn't trickle. They all went into a person body at the same time so would all approximately be released at the same time. And 25mg isn't actually needed. Far, FAR less will do the job.

You seem to be dismissing this without proper investigation. That's not wise. Certainly when you don't even understand the basic science behind how gastro-resistant capsules work. It could make things far more comfortable for many who make this choice. Dont you think it merits fair chance in that context?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

And it wouldn't trickle. They all went into a person body at the same time so would all approximately be released at the same time. And 25mg isn't actually needed. Far, FAR less will do the job.

Bullshit. The capsule doesn't just dissolve all at once. Part of the capsule will dissolve first and a small amount of SN will enter the system. Then a little more of the capsule will dissolve and some more of the SN will enter the system. That's exactly the way you DON'T want the SN to enter your system. As far as the PPH is concerned, even if there are errors in it here and there, what's in it is based on a WHOLE LOT MORE real life examples than I'm sure you, or me, have ever been witness to concerning ctb. And it constantly gets revised as more info becomes known. If you want to take your SN via delayed release capsule, by golly, go for it. You can be something of a pioneer, charting a new course, going where no man has ever gone before. Good luck with that.