Hi,
What is the best position for partial so that you don't wake up and save yourself unconsciously?
What is the best position for partial so that you don't wake up and save yourself unconsciously?
allKae
die
- Jan 14, 2024
- 32
good... I tested anchor points, one of the ones I liked the most was kneeling on the floor and throwing my body forward, keeping my belly down, in this way I began to lose consciousness quickly, however I didn't want to die that day so I got up. try.
good luck!!
good luck!!
AreWeWinning
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- Nov 1, 2021
- 442
You could try a position where your legs are extended forward (see below). That way, you can't stand up involuntarily. Or, you could just do full suspension, which would completely eliminate the problem.
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The following hanging videos show people using the above-mentioned position – got them from @JesiBel's comments (1, 2).
Thank you. Yes, that seems like a better position than standing and kneeling. How would I calculate how far the rope needs to be off the ground if I am 5'11 (180.34cm)?
I have a feeling I wouldn't pass out within seconds from full suspension. I have tried, but it just rips into my stern muscles because they are so tight. My sweet spot is under my Adam's apple, and putting is there during full suspension seems difficult?
The sweet spot is actually at the top of your neck, just under the jaw - it's called the carotid sinus nerve and although I'm not a doctor, everything I've read, which includes some medical journals, points to the carotid sinus nerve as to what is primarily responsible for immediate loss of consciousness.
With full suspension, it's not going to matter - as once you are fully suspended, the rope is going to ride to the top of the neck anyways. So it seems to me, it would be better to start out with the rope at the top of your neck.
I completely understand being hesitant though. While it seems that most people lose consciousness right away, there are some who do not. And the thought of hanging there choking and panicking discourages me from using this method. Full suspension is my backup plan though - I guess I'll just need to get to that point where I grit my teeth and say fuck it! and go for it.
My own wife died from full suspension. I woke up in the morning to find her hanging by an extension cord, which wasn't tied in a noose or anything - she simply wrapped the cord around her neck several times and then put duct tape over it. When I found her, her body looked completely normal - no bulged out eyes or discoloration - she just looked like she was sleeping. While I didn't witness it, she hung herself right next to an end table that had a lamp on it, and that lamp was just an inch or 2 away from her arm. Had she struggled, or panicked, there is no question the lamp would've been knocked over.
I just hate this in-between grey area of existing, desperately not wanting to, and not having a viable and peaceful way to CTB.
I really don't care to watch the videos, as I'm worried I will see something that will highly discourage me. Are the hanging videos of people suffering or something?
AreWeWinning
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- Nov 1, 2021
- 442
I'm not aware of any calculations or a standard way of doing this. Just use common sense, I guess. If I were to do this, I would probably aim for a height where my hips are about 50-60 cm above the ground. Or something like that... I would want to be high enough that there isn't a risk of it turning into sitting and to be low enough so it isn't easy to stand up.
If you're afraid you won't pass out quickly, then this wouldn't be any different in the 'legs forward' position either. You'd have the same problem. I can't think of a good solution. :/ Passing out rather quickly is one of the main positives of hanging, and if it doesn't work for you or you don't trust it, there isn't really a solution to that.
Have you tested passing out with the rope not fixed to an anchor point, by holding the other end in your hand and applying full weight (or as much as you can)? Or have you only experimented with the rope fixed to an anchor point? If it's the latter, you probably haven't experienced what passing out quickly feels like.
If you put the rope below your Adam's apple, it'll likely slide up. It's not guaranteed, just likely. If the noose tightens well, it might stay in place. When you say your sweet spot is below the Adam's apple, have you tested this in the way described above?
Carotid sinus nerve is primarily responsible for immediate loss of consciousness? Where did you read this?
According to what I've read, it's unclear whether carotid sinus nerve stimulation plays a role. Some sources say it's uncommon to be the cause. Some say it may play a role in older people with certain pre-existing diseases. (See quotes and references below.) I haven't seen any studies claiming that it's the primary cause.
As far as I'm aware, the primary cause is cut-off of blood flow to the brain. If that doesn't happen for some reason, the secondary cause is typically suffocation.
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I have managed to pass out with the rope above my Adam's apple and below it.
The time it was above my Adam's apple, I was testing the rope and didn't know how quickly I could pass out if I hit the carotid. I had the rope around my neck and was climbing down the step ladder until I was reaching toward the ground with pressure against my neck, and all of a sudden, I started losing control of my body, as if I was blacking out. I managed to save myself, but I realized I would have been a goner in a couple of seconds more.
I tried for weeks to replicate that, but all it did was tear up my sternocleidomastoid muscle because now I was in fear and tense, while before I was calmer and less tense. I also read somewhere that if that muscle is too tight, it will prevent carotid compression?
Then I read that for partial it's better to be under the Adam's apple (suicide wiki hanging). So I tried that and went out within seconds, but found myself unconsciously trying to stand back up and swaying around like a pendulum. I was probably only out for seconds. The rope was not short/taunt enough, I believe.
Have there been any reports of people waking up a few minutes after partial because of pressure around the neck loosening, or involuntarily standing up, or is that likely only to happen within a few seconds? I'm obviously worried about brain damage. I would not be found in time because of how remote I would be.
I haven't tried with the rope not attached before. Is there any danger to doing this?
My intuition is telling me that I will likely die from partial.
I did not know that the carotid sinus' role in loss of consciousness was debated. I am not saying it's you are wrong and I am right, only that what I read stated it as fact.
Unfortunately, though, I've read through so many medical journals and articles, I cannot honestly recall where I read this. I'm leaning towards the KRA Cuff study during WW2, though. It's easy to find on the Internet, and since that took place almost 80 years ago, indeed you may be correct in that this initial presumption could be wrong.
When the KRA Cuff was revised to be more dependable in occluding the carotid arteries, indeed they did put the cuff lower on the neck (at the base), so that the vertebral arteries were also effected. The fact that they moved the cuff further away from the carotid sinus nerve, tells me that you might be right.
On the other hand, I am currently having a discussion with another member here about the North Korean spy Black Venus, who claimed that instead of being issued a cyanide capsule like most spies, he was taught to commit suicide (if he was captured) using his fingers and some certain pressure point on the body. At first I thought this sounded a little ridiculous, but the other forum member I mentioned was able to dig up an article of a healthy, 20yo who accidentally dropped dead when his brother grabbed him by the throat, He did not choke him or occlude the carotids, because, it seems, pressure was applied quickly and then let go.
We are trying to figure out what in the hell happened, and thinking that maybe this is what the Korean spy was referring to. It would have to be something that would cause an instantaneous heart attack or something, because simple occlusion of the carotids would obviously result in a loss of pressure once the muscles relax after loss of consciousness.
Do you have any thought on this?
TheEmptyVoid
Experienced
- Jun 18, 2025
- 235
I could use a doppler ultrasound and start finding my vertebral arteries while using a ligature on each different positions and looking at each left and right vertebral artery and left and right internal/common carotid artery (definitely not want to only block the external carotid artery) and see if it obstructs the artery or not, and make sure the vertebral artery is exposed at the very bottom of the neck just above the collarbone because not everyone's neck is the same so I need to get a doppler ultrasound and see if it blocks all 4 arteries to the brain which is the 2 common/internal carotid arteries and 2 vertebral arteries.
In addition to what I mentioned about the supposedly healthy 20yr old who dropped dead from being grabbed forcefully around the neck, the other forum member I mentioned also produced an additional article of the same exact phenomenon happening. Someone in their 20's, was grabbed by the neck, and dropped dead on the spot. As previously mentioned, these were not cases of someone suffering from a blood or air choke, which would imply prolonged pressure.
Do you have an ultrasound available to you? Are you a doctor or in healthcare? You don't have to answer if you don't feel comfortable.
To be clear though, are you also insinuating that occlusion of the external carotid arteries still allows enough blood flow through the vertebral arteries to sustain life? If that is the case, how do most full suspension hangings produce almost instant loss of consciousness when the rope is all the way at the top of the neck (via gravity)? I might be wrong about this, but it would seem in the case of full suspension, the vertebral arteries remain unmolested. I'm pretty sure I've read that occlusion of the carotid arteries, when loss of consciousness is attained, is just a stage before brain death. In other words, if the flow of blood is stopped enough to produce LOC (hypoxia), then it's enough to instigate death. This is also brings to mind blood chokes in martial arts, such as a rear naked choke, where the airway remains unmolested, but the forearm and bicep block the blood flow in the external carotids. It seems to me in both of those examples, only the carotids/jugulars are occluded, not the vertebral arteries.
Thoughts?
TheEmptyVoid
Experienced
- Jun 18, 2025
- 235
I know vagus nerve stimulation makes the heart beat slow significantly, which stops blood flow to every organ including the brain, but it isn't like a electrical wire sending signals to tell the heart to slow down, it needs a chemical to actually slow the heart, and that is annoying, what if that chemical depletes in a minute??? I've seen someone saying here that they hanged themselves with a bed sheet and passed out and woke up while STILL being hanged but with an agonizing air hunger that felt so horrible that it made them want to stand back on the chair and get out. Air hunger is an abomination and it's impossible to endure.
