Resource Using psychological techniques to overcome SI / other roadblocks to ctb

[thenamingofcats]

And yet I am here. I know both sides.

For the past days I've been looking at no or low cost therapy options bc I'm not totally against it but this thread was what I needed to stop looking.

 

[4_science]

You demonstrate you don't even understand the premise of what I'm suggesting and you are using your purported authority as a therapist to call it harmful. This is a site to help people suffering severely. You should at least understand what you're critiquing before *you* go around harming others with your narrow minded, uncreative, unanalytical "therapist" opinion.

Therapists are insufferable and I've noticed they go into the field precisely bc they have little success with people outside out of their jobs where people are forced to listen to them.

I don´t have any authority. I use my opinion based on my training, experience and personal opinion to offer a different perspective. You are free to believe or think anything you find beneficial for you. Not sure you´d beat up a biologist calling out false information in methods in the same way.

Sarcasm spoiler: Generalization always work best. Personal and professional skills do not apply or matter. They just let anyone lose to do deal some damage.

I won´t address or engage in any further insults or attacks. I am asking you to refrain from that in return. This is not why I am here.

 

[thenamingofcats]

Traditional Psychoanalysis goes back to Freud and Jung (1930s). In my opinion it is very outdated but still standard. Doesn´t mean it is beneficial, feasible or sufficient. You can talk about problems and why you have them. It does not fix them. I only used it in parts to help clients understand when I saw fit. As a sole approach it doesn´t do anything for you. (No, we don´t always blame your mother or address your inner child). Although it is very outdated and has been proven insufficient, it is kind of forced in treatment. Why? Well, I´d like to know that as well.
Basic training for therapists is mostly based on psychoanalysis. For everything else, you gotta pay extra and spend some more years and then fight with insurances to accept different options. The system is broken.

I don't know if you're comfortable saying what country you're in but here in the states analysis is all but dead and considered to be very passe pseudoscience. Here it's mostly CBT since at least you can measure behavioral changes with it which the insurance companies like. You have to go to a special psychoanalytic school here to become an analyst and there are hardly any left. I know of one in Philadelphia and one in New York. I'm sure there are more though.

 

[Lifeaffirmingchoice]

I don´t have any authority. I use my opinion based on my training, experience and personal opinion to offer a different perspective. You are free to believe or think anything you find beneficial for you. Not sure you´d beat up a biologist calling out false information in methods in the same way.

Sarcasm spoiler: Generalization always work best. Personal and professional skills do not apply or matter. They just let anyone lose to do deal some damage.

I won´t address or engage in any further insults or attacks. I am asking you to refrain from that in return. This is not why I am here.

That you equate psychology with biology and believe in "false information" (implying that sciences are not biased) verifies what I said about therapists not being sufficiently intelligent for the authority they claim.

Therapy is highly anti-suicide and yet you obviously don't believe that premise, yet you lack the imagination that other things you've learned in your schooling aren't true.

You're literally nothing more than the thought police for a system you don't even remotely understand nor have the courage to challenge.

 

[Myforevercharlie]

No, you clearly don't. Just because you're "here" doesn't mean you understand anything. Do therapists start with this inflated sense of arrogance or does their training build it up in them? Both, I suppose.

Personal attacks are helping....how?

You don't have to agree, but keep it civil please.

 

[Lifeaffirmingchoice]

Personal attacks are helping....how?

You don't have to agree, but keep it civil please.

Sure. Will do. I just want to point out that she brought up her profession as a therapist as a source of authority on multiple occasions, so I felt that critiquing the profession was fair. Like if someone made some statements and then said they were a doctor to back them up, I believe it'd be fair to critique medicine and its systemic injustices. But point taken.

 

[astrals]

that is the end of flaming one another. will keep the thread open and allow more comments but any more insults and that user will receive a warning. we're all allowed to have our opinions and be passionate about them however that doesn't give us to right to call anyone simply "wrong" because their views differ. thank you.

 

[Ctrl_Alt_DEL]

Someone mentioned this in another thread and I thought it was an amazing idea to implement. One could utilize CBT and DBT to help overcome any SI - e.g. seeing reservations about ctb'ing as "irrational" via using thought noting e.g. "that's just a thought; i don't have to listen to it" and doing that for all other reservations - guilt about loved ones, etc.

You could use DBT techniques of "coping ahead" to imagine going through your ctb plan - imagine encountering the fear, anxiety, other obstacles, and then successfully overcoming them via your coping skills. it would even be a good idea to make a list ahead of time of what might get in your way, and then think of how to cope with it. also imagine the freedom from pain and suffering once you are successful.

You could also use mindfulness/meditation to train your mind to let go of any unwanted/anti-ctb thoughts, to use breathing techniques to calm your mind, etc.


(all this should of course only be done after you're sure you want to ctb and after exhausting all other resources)

Thank you
Im not full aware of the CBT DBT techniques but i know what you mean.
Its a matter of writting down all potentital issues / questions that our mind may bring to try to defend itself from CTB and be rationally and mentally prepared for it. Nonetheless the unconscious mind and and survive instintic is powerfull so this will take some practice and time.
Im almost ready to CTB. Not easy journey.

 

[Placo]

So, CBT for CTB?

 

[uBSUbc9904]

Hello,

Knowing truly that you don't have any worth, potential, happiness, etc will truly help with passing SI. Create a two-column table and say why should I live and why should I die, if the reasons to die are rational and far outweigh the reasons you want to live, that will definitely help you overcome SI.
Hello,

Maybe anti-anxiety medication and anti-depressant medication will calm your thoughts about CTB? Anxiety is the biggest factor from suicide prevention and there are many drugs that you can easily get from the psychiatrist.

Hope this helps,

Thank you

 

[thenamingofcats]

Knowing truly that you don't have any worth, potential, happiness, etc will truly help with passing SI.

This is it. Remembering why we need to do this is key. It's the next step and the last step in a life that was full of suffering that never should have existed in the first place.

 

[uBSUbc9904]

Yeah, just breaking from your girlfriend or having a bad day is not sufficient to CTB, you need a bolder reasons to do it.

Such reasons are:

• Seeing yourself having no talent (Not any genetic advantage to thrive on them and be better at it)
• Seeing absolutely no join that spans over years (suffering from depression or bipolar disorder)
• Not only can't and have nothing to offer good to this world, but you are giving pain to this world or to yourself too much that you see no other way except to CTB
• Doing more bad things than good to yourself, others, and to this world.
• It makes no difference when you kill yourself compared to living.
• You do more sins than good
• And all of these method above are not curable, fixable, and changeable.

There are many others not mentioned here. Hope this helps.

Thank you

 

[DeadManLiving]

Suicides occur at the intersection of extreme impulse, availability of lethal means, and states of intoxication which inhibit parts of the limbic system and amygdala that support life.

There is no such thing as survival instinct in the school of suicideology. There are eight scientific definitions of instinct, and it's unclear which is being invoked. There are instincts that can be acquired, instincts that are imagined, instincts that are physiological but not protective of life, acquired birth, not acquired at birth, conditioned, extinctable, non-extinctable.... etc. Survival is a theological idea which has no basis in science or suicideology. We are not goal oriented towards survival but towards the propagation of our genetic material. This was expressed in a recent paper.

The survival instinct which is assumed here is really just a combination of fears and inhibitory mechanisms to impulses. The fear of death, fear of the unknown, fear of failure, for those that are religious the fear of the afterlife. The only conceivable means of manipulating the brain into killing oneself conceivably and theoretically could be self-hypnosis, but only for the most suggestible. Additionally, repetition does and has been found to be a fear extinction effect as one modality by exposure. Off the top of my head, one modality could be playing a low probability game of Russian roulette only in close calls which are not exactly doable unless you're playing Russian roulette with a 1 in 100 revolver. Or taking 99 blank bullets plus 1 live round. Taking a bullet at random from a box and pulling the trigger. Eventually you'll hit that one in 100th shot, but that is one means of mitigating SI. The probability or quantity of blanks may be adjusted accordingly to one's tolerance.

The majority of suicides occur during an acute impulsive or altered mental state in combination with the lethal means on hand and under the influence of intoxicants. So it would be easy to overcome the prevailing definition of SI by having a CTB ready go kit handy for when an impulse comes and a bottle of Jack to inhibit the parts of the brain that would be protective to our bodies from perceived harms or injuries such as alcohol on tap for when an emotional state of carelessness or impulse strikes.

I will cite a paper shortly on the subject.