Discussion USA election - a note from staff

[opheliaoveragain]

Thank you to our incredible mods for officially addressing this, inside the US or not. I have the utmost respect for you lot.

 

[ArteriesBindEveryon]

I respectfully disagree . I see it as He's got two years to totally screw everything up for so many people. And he's going to have a lot of power because he has the Senate controlled by Republicans, possibly the house since we don't know yet, and the Supreme Court filled with judges that he appointed. I am no political expert by any means, but as far as I know, Roe versus Wade being overturned was solely the result of the Supreme Court and had nothing to do with Congress.It is going to take years and years to not have a Republican majority there since they stick around forever. Yes, Congress can overturn it, but who's to say there won't be another case that the Supreme Court will hear in the future that could overturn that. And this is assuming that the Democrats actually get some power in two years. He obviously has more supporters than many of us even realized. Who's to say they won't Stop supporting him.
A lot can happen in two years. Even more in four. But I think the lasting damage and amount of suffering for individuals can last way longer.
Believe me, I wish I could be as optimistic as you.

Your feelings and worries are totally valid. To be honest, I'm coping pretty hard right now. What I'm counting on is that after Trump is gone (assuming he doesn't try for a third term) Republicans will return to sanity and stop acting like a cult. Yes it'll still be majority republican, but maybe the republicans won't be as crazy once Trump is gone. No matter what though, the damage will last over a decade. And there's no guarantees that things will improve. But we won't know for sure what will happen until time moves forward.

Just remember, things that took years, decades, even centuries to fight for, build, create, revise, etc, they can be destroyed in an instant.

And just because something was created once, doesn't mean it can ever be created again. Trans kids who are bullied -simply because their bullies have been empowered by orange man and his cronies- and kill themselves as a result will be lost forever. Now throw in trans-kids who are actively denied hormone blockers by their policies. Or young transmen who are raped by empowered assailants and get pregnant with no access the abortion.

I'm going to stop by agreeing that yes -eventually and at the macro-level- much of the damage he and his cronies will cause is likely to be undone, but just logically following the probable impacts of actions that they have repeatedly threatened to do they will absolutely continue to harm kids -kids who aren't even born yet- for their entire lives, and some of those actions will likely shorten many lives (e.g. banning vaccinations will likely cause deadly outbreaks); so in the short-term and on the individual scale, people have every right to be very concerned, especially if they've already lived with the impacts of his and his cronies' previous time in office.

You are completely right. I was speaking only in long terms because I'm trying to stay optimistic on a website where so many suicidal people gather. I just don't want anyone to CTB due to Trump before his second term even starts. I am deeply concerned for what trans people are about to go through. Some states like California and Minnesota are likely to be more welcoming, but it's completely unacceptable that many human beings will have to move states just to be treated like a normal citizen. I still hold out hope that the future will be bright, but there is no denying what will happen until that future comes. I'm not trying to say that people don't have reason to be worried, I'm just trying to say that there is reason to be hopeful too.

 

[alltoomuch2]

I might be missing something here but I am not sure this is true? At least here in the UK our main crisis line will not call anyone if you are feeling suicidal, they will just talk to you. I think the only case they would try to get someone else involved is if they thought that you were likely to harm a child or vulnerable adult.

I think we should be careful what we say about the policies of specific lines folks, and make sure we're giving accurate info & not potentially misleading anyone.

If we are dealing with people in crisis on here, it's important they get accurate info & aren't dissuaded from accessing a potentially life saving resource.

Not trying to fight with anyone here. Just thought it was something worth saying, considering the situation we are now in.

On a different note, I am also feeling terrible about what is going on right now. It's like I'm in a dream and can't really believe it is real.

Samaritans won't call anyone but all the others will, just to clarify. I've been held to ransom by SHOUT in the past for example.

Thank you to our incredible mods for officially addressing this, inside the US or not. I have the utmost respect for you lot.

They are incredibly caring aren't they, and risk a lot by moderating this site.

 

[Josh007]

I suspected it but now I see I was wrong. Humanity's good deeds can't make up for it's fault. Humans suck at collective thinking, hence why this species is doomed and this happened. Maybe the real problem is not the media', politician's, or the billionaire's maybe the real problem is that we're inherently asinine. and I have reasons to believe we're too asinine to fix it.

 

[Winterreise]

Remember you can neglect the community.
Drain the drinking water.
Not sorting the garbage.
You can "forget" to close what you open, causing things to be lost.
You can "misunderstand"/"misread information" , causing problems later for others.
Do as poor job as possible.
Plant misinformation on your profiles.
Dont let people comment on your page.

 

[sonny]

I strongly encourage SaSu folks to call a "warm line" instead of any "suicide hotlines" or "crisis hotlines", as the later are more likely to call authorities on callers who are deemed a possible threat to themselves.

warmlines at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

If you call from a cellphone and do not give your address, they can't send authorities.

Also, the warmlines don't have queues and rarely pick up. I've called Trans Lifeline, Thrive Lifeline and peer support life lines many times and no one has picked up.

 

[wren-briar]

If you call from a cellphone and do not give your address, they can't send authorities.

Also, the warmlines don't have queues and rarely pick up. I've called Trans Lifeline, Thrive Lifeline and peer support life lines many times and no one has picked up.

I'm disappointed to hear that you've had problems with the Lifelines and warmlines.

Thank you for sharing that and the cell phone location info!

 

[kavina]

I feel like RFK is going to completely dismantle public health and leave us all to Covid and H5N1. So anyone wanting to go, you can just let him do it for you. That's what I think is on the way.

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

Your feelings and worries are totally valid. To be honest, I'm coping pretty hard right now. What I'm counting on is that after Trump is gone (assuming he doesn't try for a third term) Republicans will return to sanity and stop acting like a cult. Yes it'll still be majority republican, but maybe the republicans won't be as crazy once Trump is gone. No matter what though, the damage will last over a decade. And there's no guarantees that things will improve. But we won't know for sure what will happen until time moves forward.

I don't know, I'm mixed on this. I think it's possible that Trump has set a new status quo for republicans. Although it could be more like Andrew Tate, where he was like a singular enigma, and everyone who tried to emulate it failed miserably. I hope it's the latter. One thing is for certain, and that is that the next 4 years will be undeniably rough.

I feel like RFK is going to completely dismantle public health and leave us all to Covid and H5N1. So anyone wanting to go, you can just let him do it for you. That's what I think is on the way.

Yeah, for sure. An anti-vaxxer for the top health position in the country is terrible for us all. He also has some controversial views like (in his own words):

"I do believe that autism does come from vaccines."

"They get the shot, that night they have a fever of 103, they go to sleep, and three months later their brain is gone. This is a Holocaust, what this is doing to our country"

"The agency, the USDA, the FDA have been captured by the industries they're supposed to regulate, and they all have an interest in subsidies and mass poisoning the American public."

He said scientists should study shootings to "see if there is connections to some of the SSRI [antidepressant] and psychiatric drugs people are taking, whether there is connections to video games."

He's said AIDS might not be caused by HIV: "They were doing phony, crooked studies to develop a cure that killed people without really being able to understand what HIV was, and pumping up fear about it constantly, not really understanding whether it was causing AIDS."

And one of my favorites, he said 5G services are being used to "harvest our data and control our behavior."

I'll just link this tweet as well

Anyways, my point is that this man is dangerous for the country. This is coming from someone who, at one point, supported him before I heard his views on the above. Now I think he is completely bonkers.

 

[death's_door]

I certainly don't agree with Trump on all things but may I ask, what exactly are people afraid of regarding being LGQBT+ under his administration?

 

[Lookingtoflyfree]

I certainly don't agree with Trump on all things but may I ask, what exactly are people afraid of regarding being LGQBT+ under his administration?

https://translegislation.com/ - these happened because of his hatred.

https://glaad.org/fact-sheet-trump-transgender/ - long history of problematic statements and behaviors

https://www.aclu.org/trump-on-lgbtq-rights - also more detail

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-protections-reversed-by-trump-administration - a specific example

Nobody has a right in this thread to debate these sources, and I'm certainly not going to debate anything on this with any cishet men or women so I won't do any 'whataboutism' or 'you have nothing to worry about.

 

[mistysmile966]

I am not from USA, LGBT, or pay attention to politics anywhere as I have too much in my own life to worry about. What is Trump doing or trying to do?

 

[Sophie123]

Trump, Biden, Bernie, Harris, Obama, it doesn't matter. No politician gives a shit about the average American

Agreed omg! People from both sides acting as if the other one is end of the world.

 

[UnlovedUnlived]

I am not from USA, LGBT, or pay attention to politics anywhere as I have too much in my own life to worry about. What is Trump doing or trying to do?

It's literally just going to be the same as the last time he was president. People on the left think the world's going to end, four years will pass, they'll realize they were worrying for no reason and then the people on the right are going to go mental once a democrat gets elected in 2028

 

[BallBoy]

"The Little Things Give You Away"

That's a good song. Got me through a lot of hard times

 

[420Jack]

I suspected it but now I see I was wrong. Humanity's good deeds can't make up for it's fault. Humans suck at collective thinking, hence why this species is doomed and this happened. Maybe the real problem is not the media', politician's, or the billionaire's maybe the real problem is that we're inherently asinine. and I have reasons to believe we're too asinine to fix it.

Ding ding ding we have a winner



I also want to say it's such a shame a forum created to discuss ending ones misery through suicide has devolved to arguing about politics. There's multiple threads in the suggestions forum asking for another suicide section since the majority of what's in this sub isn't about suicide. There's lots of places on the internet (and even a sub on this forum) to argue about politics if one wishes. The current politic atmosphere is meant to be divisive. Such a shame that incredibly mentally harmful divisiveness is allowed to be brought here. This place isn't what it used to be.

 

[Dot]

Ding ding ding we have a winner



I also want to say it's such a shame a forum created to discuss ending ones misery through suicide has devolved to arguing about politics. There's multiple threads in the suggestions forum asking for another suicide section since the majority of what's in this sub isn't about suicide. There's lots of places on the internet (and even a sub on this forum) to argue about politics if one wishes. The current politic atmosphere is meant to be divisive. Such a shame that incredibly mentally harmful divisiveness is allowed to be brought here. This place isn't what it used to be.

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That's a good song. Got me through a lot of hard times

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[rainwillneverstop]

That's a good song. Got me through a lot of hard times

good taste, didn't think anyone would get the reference.
prob the most underrated lp song imo, it's my fav. And it's more relevant than ever.