RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

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Jun 12, 2018
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I wasn't quite sure where to post this thread. I wanted to post it in suicide discussion because the subject I'm talking about relates a lot to my suicide ideation, on the other hand, it's a positive topic, so I decided to put this in here. This procedure I'm talking about isn't gonna put me into recovery but maybe it can ease some of the gender dysphoria that I'm going through and therefore, some of my mental pain and distress. So, what's this about? I have a surgery on March 25. It's an FFS, a so called "facial feminization surgery" - covered by my insurance. As a trans person, this is probably the most important surgery of my life because it could finally reduce my gender dysphoria permanently. I definitely look feminine but I have many masculine facial features, despite 4 years of transition. My facial hair is almost gone completely and I definitely have a feminine face. But it's not enough, at least in my opinion, to achieve a full-on passing as a woman. I still get misgendered from time to time and I think people are rather confused about my gender because I look very androgynous and that's not a very pleasant experience either.

The plastic surgery includes:

-forehead reduction
-chin and jawline reduction
-brow lift
-nose lift
-lip lift

It sounds like a lot but it really isn't. The changes are gonna be very subtle but all of these changes combined will achieve an overall female passing. Now, I don't know how much it would change in terms of my suicide ideation. To be honest, it's probably not gonna affect my desire to leave that much but it's gonna definitely improve my daily experience simply because I can finally look into the mirror without cringing and I'll get recognized as a female member of society after so many years. This in itself is gonna make life easier and therefore more endurable. But I'm still suffering from depression, borderline personality disorder (very bad condition), dysthymia, social anxiety and rheumatoid arthritis - so when put into perspective, it's probably just a minor change. But it's still a huge step for me because gender dysphoria is one of the main reasons why I want to ctb and without the approval for this surgery I would probably be gone already.

There is just one problem: I don't know if it's effectively gonna erase my gender dysphoria. The issue is, gender dysphoria is a very strong mental condition and there is no cure for it. You can only treat it so much and FFS is definitely a very effective tool to reduce the distress to a large degree but we don't know if that's gonna be the case here. I know plenty of trans people that are still suffering a lot from gender dysphoria after that surgery, despite looking like a woman. Why? Well, because gender dysphoria makes us thinks we look male, even if we don't. I could pass as a woman and still see a male person in the mirror and that's the problem. I really hope that's not gonna happen because it would be a waste of resources and money. But if it turns out that this is the case, it would simply be another reason for me to ctb because if an invasive surgery like FFS doesn't help, nothing is gonna help. And that would essentially turn me into a hopeless case, doomed to suffer from gender dysphoria until my last breath.

Initially, I wanted to leave before the surgery takes place but after talking to some people in this community I made the decision to wait and give this procedure a chance. There is no harm in waiting, my N isn't gonna run away and in the best case, I'll actually appreciate the outcome of this surgery and experience an decrease of my suffering. So, let's see how it turns out. I'll keep you up to date.
 
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BeansOfRequirement

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Congrats on the surgery, and on the N.
 
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summers

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@RainAndSadness I want to wish you a successful surgery and speedy recover. Please let us all know the outcome. What is the approximate timeline for when you go in, and how long is healing expected to take?
 
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Congratulations on the surgery. Remember surgery is a rough whatever the procedure, allow yourself lots of rest and recovery Wishing you all the best for surgery and healing, hoping it eases the gender dysporia for you.
 
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RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

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Thanks y'all.

@RainAndSadness I want to wish you a successful surgery and speedy recover. Please let us all know the outcome. What is the approximate timeline for when you go in, and how long is healing expected to take?

So I'll check into the hospital in the early morning of the 25th and the surgery is gonna start at approximately 8am. According to the my information the surgery will take up to 5-6 hours. It's a long and exhausting procedure, including many different surgeons. If you're curious about this procedure in detail, there are videos of such surgeries on Youtube, they're obviously graphic and it looks very unpleasant but they pretty much show you how it's done - just in case you're curious about that. I'll probably stay in the hospital for a few days and healing will take a few weeks. Most people that undergo FFS look like they were in a severe car accident due to severe swelling and bruising right after the surgery but usually, just one week later, most of them fully recover and look normal again.
 
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TriggerHappy

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wow: i'm so exited for you.
to quote the Pet Shop Boys 'if you got the inclination i've got the crime!" what I mean by that is that you must do whatever you can that will make you like yourself / tolerate yourself etc a little bit more.
don't do it for the haters and shamers that stare and jeer (they maybe always will)
...remember the pain is bearable and worthwhile - only through pain can we truly change, baby.
no matter what you look like you are already awesomely beautiful.
 
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summers

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@RainAndSadness a one-week recovery isn't bad, especially if you can stay home during that period. Are you excited to take some glam shots for your ig and fb accounts?
 
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whywere

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I am a total believer that we are ALL the same, we should look out for each other globally..etc Now @RainAndSadness , my wish for you is that everything goes GREAT and that you come out of everything perfectly. I am 100% rooting for you and I will have you in my prayers. All the best to you!!!! Walter :heart::hug:
 
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NeverGoodEnuff

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Sep 28, 2020
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@RainAndSadness Congrats! I am smiling for you because if this makes you feel better about your self, Hooray!

I was obese most of my adult life, finally managed to lose the weight, kept it off for two years, but the sagging skin was awful. So I had a tummy tuck, breast reduction and lift. The hatred for my body was gone and since then (eleven years ago), I have never hated my body like before. It was like being set free!

I sincerely hope your surgery does the same for you.
 
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Good luck OP <3
 
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RainAndSadness

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Thanks you all for your support. I'm nervous because of potential complications and there is also a chance that I'm not satisfied with the result but I'm also very much looking forward to it. Either way, it's a life-changing procedure for me and it's gonna alter my physical appearance permanently, like there is no going back. I'll have to deal with the outcome, positive or negative. I'm looking forward to the anesthesia though - it's like death. You fall asleep and you wake up again and it feels like you don't exist for hours. I like that a lot.

I'll have to check into the hospital tomorrow at 7am CET and the surgery is gonna take up to 5 hours, according to the doctors I talked to last Friday. I'll keep you up to date regarding the outcome and the result. I hope I can finally leave my gender dysphoria behind and obtain a decent passing. We'll see.
 
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Breakout92

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Good luck!! I had this done 2 years ago. It helped a lot for me and I no longer have any dysphoria problems with my face. I'm sure it'll be as good for you. It took weeks before I looked normal again, though, and almost a year before i felt like I was really able to see the final results. so you have to be patient.
 
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HopelessFight

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I just read this topic and noticed your surgery is tomorrow. I wish you the best of luck and a speedy recovery. I truly hope it will erase, or at least decrease, your dysphoria.
 
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Bensharp

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Best of luck
 
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Dead Meat

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I wish you all the luck in the world, and everything turns out exactly how you want it to, :hug:
 
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gus.nixon

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Today is the big day, darling! I hope what you're going through is tremendously improved after this procedure. Keep in mind though that most nothing is instantaneous. You might get the surgery and after all the bruising, swelling, etc disappears and you look like the beautiful woman you are, you may still have those confusing feelings of being a man still. I'll be honest, I don't have these issues that you have (trust me I have my own really messed up issues but they're different). Funny thing is, although I have no issues with my gender/sex, I totally get what you're going through because I constantly have the same thoughts about what may or may not get me out of the suicide ideation. We all do. The thinking is always the same: "if I only had this." "If I only looked like this." "If I only was financially stable." "If only the boy or girl I'm in love with would love me back the same way." I have financial fears myself on top of everything else going on. Tomorrow I might win the big lottery and instantly be a multi-millionaire. Will that make me feel good enough to say good to everyone here and start living a happy life? Sure, maybe. But then again, maybe not.

I honestly don't think your surgery today will make you feel worse about yourself. If anything, you may feel the same. I find it helpful to take one issue at a time. Today's procedure is a big one for you. Maybe after this, there are others areas in your life to figure out. PM me if you need a friend and want to talk. I'm a nearly 50 year old male if that matters. I'll seriously help you in any way that might make your emotional state brighter. :heart: I do this because I find that reaching out to others and making myself available to them for support actually helps me too. It makes me feel just a little better about myself. Girl, let's get you to the point where you look and feel fabulous inside and out.
 
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Symbiote

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Best of luck and quick recovery RainandSadness!
 
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summers

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I looked up ffs on google. The results are amazing for the most part. @RainAndSadness I hope everything goes smoothly, and you are thrilled with the outcome.

Can't wait to see you back on ss!
 
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bad luck

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I just read this thread. Get well soon. A hug
 
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RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

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Hey y'all.

I just wanted to let you know that I'm recovering from the surgery. The first 3-4 days were extremely rough because it's quite an invasive surgery but it's getting a lot better now after 2 weeks of recovery. I still have some swollen spots in my face and my nose needs a lot more time to heal but I'm very happy with the results so far. I didn't experience much gender dysphoria at all in the last few days and I'm very impressed with the results. I have a very smooth forehead, they gave me a lovely brow, lip and nose lift and I have a slightly smaller, more feminine nose. All of those changes combined make me look very feminine in my opinion. I think I'll have a great passing after the second surgery, which will include chin and jawline procedures. But so far I'm nothing but happy about these results.
 
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HopelessFight

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Jan 31, 2021
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It's great to hear you're doing well. I truly hope it improves your life. If it's not too rude to ask (and I understand if you prefer not to answer the question), was this the first surgery you went through?

Also, my apologies for misgendering you in the beginning. I was not aware you were trans at the time. As soon as I was aware, I started referring to you as "she".
 
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itsallover

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Jun 29, 2018
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I don't really believe in plastic surgery as it was created after World War 2 for injured soldiers/war veterans and wouldn't do anything on my face or body, but the way you put as it is causing you so much agony I support it. It doesn't sound any fun walking around looking androgynous as I don't have very manly features and long hair along with a beard now. A cop once told me to move back from a site many were hawking around tell me move back boy, girl whatever you are as they are mostly goons and cowards. If I would have checked him then I would have 20 of those motherfuckers on me even though he he was in the wrong. So Im hoping your surgery goes well for you and quits making you feel suicidal so you can live your life as a woman the way you want to. Thanks for changing my perspective.
 
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