Tintypographer
I am done as of 4-21-2023. Somewhere I am no more
- Apr 29, 2020
- 470
The Kelli Karen's of the world at @fixthe26 depend on a visceral and horrifying response to ensure relevance for their crusade. I am a heterosexual male over 40 with a family and three kids and a female spouse with no divorce and 20 plus years of marriage. That means I am firmly out of the incel world and I can document this. I am also not a convicted pedophile or child molester and I have revulsion against those crimes.
As I began to look at suicide data I ran across an in depth article on suicide analysis in incel forums:
www.qualitativecriminology.com
I further found a statistical analysis on incel populations:
What I learned is that first the incel.population is estimated to be as many as 100,000 individuals worldwide.
As sanctioned suicide is seeing clicks in the millions, unless these incels all have 40 separate accounts apiece and different personas then it is unlikely that sanctioned suicide is a specifically incel filled community.
The same thing can be said for sexual predators for children.
Continuously linking the concept of sanctioned suicide to being "filled with incels and child predators" first tries to link the idea of a male who classifies himself as "involuntarily celibate" with being a child sexual predator. The result is a hodgepodge of disorganized tweets in an echo chamber posting former admin's mames and associating them with both incel.commmunities and child pornography or child sexual predation.
No analysis has been done of sanctioned suicide to show that the site is filled with incel commentary or child pornography or child sexual predation discussions.
If and when incel.commentsry comes up it is often of the variety where a scared and depressed individual has reached a point they no longer know where to go and come here to post about their thoughts of ending their own life because they can't handle their emotional feelings and conventional therapy and help lines are not working for them.
Understand I am not tolerating violence against women, pedophilia, sexual predators or child or even regular pornography.
What I am saying is that @fixthe26 doesn't want this discussion to be around suicide. Kelli wants it to be about the horror repsonse of "incels", "child predation or pornography", or "recruiting emotionally disadvantaged children to sell them suicide kits"
A skeptical person might ask:
How much money is there to be made selling suicide kits composed of nitrite salts?
First let's look at the total numbers of suicides by nitrites reported in the USA whcih are trending down.. the clinical case studies show less than 50 through 2019 (see my previous posts). Even assuming a 10 fold increase in 2020 and 2021 we would be at 5000 cases which doesn't seem possible given the total number of suicides. Let's say it doubled each year despite the downward trend. There would be 200 cases in 2021.
The aforementioned salt is available in many farm and ranch, specialty health stores, sporting goods stores and even non special order online distributors for purposes ranging from meat curing and meat smoking to hog and pest control. It is not expensive and not secret to procure (don't ask because I won't give instructions or guidance on obtaining it) Building a business based on selling "suicide kits" with a shaky unpredictable population does not yield a multi million dollar business in death as the @fixthe26 crowd would have you believe.
What we actually have is a very upset group of grieving people family and friends of people who committed suicide and did log into this site. In their crusade to find a way to grieve they have to someone get the site shut down and when no traction occurs they invent a continuous narrative of "incel" "pedophile" and "suicide for money death cult" because the topics of better institutional health care, mental healthcare access and understanding suicide are not as easy as shouting horror words
As I began to look at suicide data I ran across an in depth article on suicide analysis in incel forums:
"Goodbye, My Friendcels": An Analysis of Incel Suicide Posts
www.qualitativecriminology.com
I further found a statistical analysis on incel populations:
What I learned is that first the incel.population is estimated to be as many as 100,000 individuals worldwide.
As sanctioned suicide is seeing clicks in the millions, unless these incels all have 40 separate accounts apiece and different personas then it is unlikely that sanctioned suicide is a specifically incel filled community.
The same thing can be said for sexual predators for children.
Continuously linking the concept of sanctioned suicide to being "filled with incels and child predators" first tries to link the idea of a male who classifies himself as "involuntarily celibate" with being a child sexual predator. The result is a hodgepodge of disorganized tweets in an echo chamber posting former admin's mames and associating them with both incel.commmunities and child pornography or child sexual predation.
No analysis has been done of sanctioned suicide to show that the site is filled with incel commentary or child pornography or child sexual predation discussions.
If and when incel.commentsry comes up it is often of the variety where a scared and depressed individual has reached a point they no longer know where to go and come here to post about their thoughts of ending their own life because they can't handle their emotional feelings and conventional therapy and help lines are not working for them.
Understand I am not tolerating violence against women, pedophilia, sexual predators or child or even regular pornography.
What I am saying is that @fixthe26 doesn't want this discussion to be around suicide. Kelli wants it to be about the horror repsonse of "incels", "child predation or pornography", or "recruiting emotionally disadvantaged children to sell them suicide kits"
A skeptical person might ask:
How much money is there to be made selling suicide kits composed of nitrite salts?
First let's look at the total numbers of suicides by nitrites reported in the USA whcih are trending down.. the clinical case studies show less than 50 through 2019 (see my previous posts). Even assuming a 10 fold increase in 2020 and 2021 we would be at 5000 cases which doesn't seem possible given the total number of suicides. Let's say it doubled each year despite the downward trend. There would be 200 cases in 2021.
The aforementioned salt is available in many farm and ranch, specialty health stores, sporting goods stores and even non special order online distributors for purposes ranging from meat curing and meat smoking to hog and pest control. It is not expensive and not secret to procure (don't ask because I won't give instructions or guidance on obtaining it) Building a business based on selling "suicide kits" with a shaky unpredictable population does not yield a multi million dollar business in death as the @fixthe26 crowd would have you believe.
What we actually have is a very upset group of grieving people family and friends of people who committed suicide and did log into this site. In their crusade to find a way to grieve they have to someone get the site shut down and when no traction occurs they invent a continuous narrative of "incel" "pedophile" and "suicide for money death cult" because the topics of better institutional health care, mental healthcare access and understanding suicide are not as easy as shouting horror words
