To take or not: Beta blocker for SN

[readytogonow!]

The PPH isn't very clear on the use or beta blockers for SN. I can't tell if it makes the pain worse or better.

 

[Rymrgand]

It's not clear because they don't know. As far as I know, at its best it's a luxury and at its worst it could make it worse. I don't really recommend to use it, especially if you don't have easy access to it. You would be adding another potential source of problems for a benefit that it may not exist.

Quote from Vizzy's SN Bible about this:

"One of the symptoms you may get is a fast heart rate (tachycardia). It is completely normal for the SN process and does not cause any pain. Your heart will beat faster as if you have done some physical exercise or you are watching a scary film. The drug recommended is Propanolol. In the opinion of the author of this document, it is a luxury item and would not consider the effort in purchasing it to have any significant effect on you not being distressed.

It is a prescription only drug and just adds another complication to sourcing and potentially using if you are already on prescribed treatments.

A dose of 400mg of propranolol taken with the antiemetic (metoclopramide) was previously advised, finally some reports have suggested that the use of a beta blocker is a luxury that serves no function other than alleviating the tachycardia (racing heart). It is argued that the raised cardiac oxygen requirements will speed death (presumably from cardiac arrest). However, until more information is available, the benefit of using beta blocker cannot be established. The beta blocker has, therefore, been removed from the protocol."

 

[Peter Skellern]

It's not clear because they don't know. As far as I know, at its best it's a luxury and at its worst it could make it worse. I don't really recommend to use it, especially if you don't have easy access to it. You would be adding another potential source of problems for a benefit that it may not exist.

Quote from Vizzy's SN Bible about this:

"One of the symptoms you may get is a fast heart rate (tachycardia). It is completely normal for the SN process and does not cause any pain. Your heart will beat faster as if you have done some physical exercise or you are watching a scary film. The drug recommended is Propanolol. In the opinion of the author of this document, it is a luxury item and would not consider the effort in purchasing it to have any significant effect on you not being distressed.

It is a prescription only drug and just adds another complication to sourcing and potentially using if you are already on prescribed treatments.

A dose of 400mg of propranolol taken with the antiemetic (metoclopramide) was previously advised, finally some reports have suggested that the use of a beta blocker is a luxury that serves no function other than alleviating the tachycardia (racing heart). It is argued that the raised cardiac oxygen requirements will speed death (presumably from cardiac arrest). However, until more information is available, the benefit of using beta blocker cannot be established. The beta blocker has, therefore, been removed from the protocol."

I'm minded to take a little longer in relative comfort than go slightly sooner in some uncomfortableness (is that an actual word?). That's my summation. Then again, I found sourcing all the necessaries relatively straightforward so that impacted my thinking too.

 

[Valhala]

According to the latest PPH from 2025, its use is recommended. The answer would be - definitely yes, use it if you are able because it reduces tachycardia and thus reduces the unpleasant feeling that causes anxiety and SI and accelerates the process because it prevents the inflow of blood and oxygen due to tachycardia.

 

[Dante_]

it reduces tachycardia

Yeah its no secret that tachycardia does induce some form of a panic attack so there is that as a concern so I agree too.

 

[readytogonow!]

According to the latest PPH from 2025, its use is recommended. The answer would be - definitely yes, use it if you are able because it reduces tachycardia and thus reduces the unpleasant feeling that causes anxiety and SI and accelerates the process because it prevents the inflow of blood and oxygen due to tachycardia.

the pic I posted is from the 2025 PPH and it says "the benefit cannot be established"

 

[martinso67]

If the Tachycardia symptoms (fast heartbeat, dizziness, slight headache, hearing heart beat) would cause you so much anxiety that you would puke or call ambulance/reacue.

Actually having a fast heart beat and Tachycardia makes your heart to need more oxygen. With the compromised ability to transport oxygen to your organs after you took SN. This makes you actually die faster be speeding up the time to cardiac arrest. Also it makes SN more lethal.

Why I think that (Tachycardia is actually supporting the lethal effect of SN). The reason that euthanasia organizations reason did remove of Propanolol from the DDMP medication (the better alternative to N and the best and most peaceful suicide drug mixture) and use of medication A that is not a beta blocker. So instead they use the mixture DDMA, which resulted in a faster death in about 2 hours. 2 hours faster than with DDMP.
Propanolol seems to try to "rescue" you, by that slow down death. Tachycardia can cause death actually

NO MEDICAL ADVICE. YOU SHOULD DECIDE BY YOURSELF.