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noname223

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I compared the US to a melting pot recently. I read some texts on the US from German scholars recently though. They elaborate something very interestingly about the US. I will use a translator and put it on here. We discussed this in school whether the US is more like a salad bowl or melting pot. I am not sure which positions was mine. But we were forced to develop own positions on such topics. (if we wanted to have good grades). It was a while ago. Lol. Here now the very interesting text. I think I don't have anything sophisticated to add. I could probably add my positons. But the text is so nuanced that it costed me way too much effort to expresse a differentiated take on this topic. It is really hot where I live. It is very uncomfortable. And it doesn't contribute to my mental well being. But after this short lachyrmose introduction here is the text. I hope it is short enough for not infringing copy right.

The USA as a "Melting Pot"?
The idea of the USA as a "melting pot" traces back to the play of the same name by British-Jewish writer Israel Zangwill, which premiered in Washington, D.C., in 1908. Then-President Theodore Roosevelt was enthusiastic about the melting pot metaphor, which suggested that the many different immigrant groups coming to the US fused together in their new home—and that a new American identity emerged from this.[14]

In addition to the melting pot, the United States has also been referred to as a "salad bowl" or a "post-racial society."[15] In contrast to the melting pot, the salad bowl metaphor does not describe the merging of different cultures into a new, homogeneous American identity, but rather emphasizes the coexistence of diverse cultures and ethnicities that live together while retaining their specific cultural identities.

The assumption that the US could have become a "post-racial society," in which the category of race increasingly loses its significance, was articulated as early as the 1970s—following the supposedly successful conclusion of the Civil Rights Movement.[16] Following the election of Barack Obama as the first Black president of the United States, the term experienced a resurgence, though it was debated no less controversially in 2008.

Indeed, it is misleading to describe the United States as a melting pot, salad bowl, or post-racial society. Rather, these terms describe persistent myths. Contrary to what the metaphors suggest, the Anglo-Saxon majority society has by no means transformed all population groups equally; instead, it has demanded assimilation and integration from widely diverse immigrants.

Furthermore, characterizing the US as a country of immigrants is only partially accurate. Many Americans are not the descendants of immigrant ancestors, but rather of Indigenous and enslaved peoples.[17] Moreover, Indigenous Americans and African Americans are completely overlooked in the myths of the melting pot and the salad bowl. At the same time, they too were subjected to an often violently enforced assimilation into Anglo-American culture, religion, and language.

An infamous 20th-century example of this is the government-sponsored "Indian Adoption Program" (1958–1967), under which hundreds of children were forcibly separated from their Indigenous families and communities and adopted by white, Christian couples.[18]

At the same time, characterizing the US as a country of immigrants is by no means inaccurate. However, immigration occurred in waves and was always subject to specific controls and limitations. Between 1870 and 1900, nearly 12 million immigrants arrived in the United States. In the 1870s and 1880s, the vast majority of these individuals came from Germany, Ireland, and England—the primary countries of origin for immigration even prior to the Civil War.

However, with the onset of the California Gold Rush in 1849, a relatively large group of Chinese immigrants also migrated to the United States. With the onset of the economic depression in the 1870s, European immigrants and Americans began to compete for jobs that had traditionally been filled by Chinese workers. Rising economic competition was accompanied by an increase in racially motivated prejudice and violence. This political pressure ultimately culminated in the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which was not formally repealed until 1943. This act is historically remarkable because it explicitly prohibited immigration based on ethnic identity or nationality. At the same time, the law stipulated that Chinese individuals already living in the US could not acquire US citizenship.[19]

Other US citizens, in turn, are descendants of Mexicans who were made Americans following the annexation of New Mexico in 1848. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, immigrants from Greece and Italy followed, as well as Jewish immigrants and immigrants from Eastern European nations, whose immigration was restricted by the Johnson-Reed Act of 1924.[20]

Against the backdrop of the Cold War, the Immigration and Nationality Act was passed in 1965, marking a turning point in US immigration policy: it abolished the existing discriminatory system of national origin quotas and regulated immigration based on a preference system that prioritized family reunification and professional qualifications. As a result, immigration from Mexico and other parts of Latin America increased significantly, particularly in the form of labor migration for large farms in the West and Southwest of the country. This was accompanied by various Asian immigrant groups, who were disproportionately affected by xenophobia and discrimination.

Although intensively discussed and criticized within academia, the narratives of the melting pot and the salad bowl remain central myths and symbols of American national identity. They have contributed to the legitimization of immigration policy and resonate widely in public discourse, as they draw upon both America's immigration history and discourses surrounding national unity. Consequently, these myths offer appealing frameworks for identification.

At the same time, however, they prove to be reductionist: they are primarily based on cultural interpretations and largely ignore structural inequalities and historical relations of violence. Thus, they exemplify the ongoing tension between normative ideals and historical reality—a tension that continues to shape the question of American identity to this day.
 
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Do you have the original source in German please? I'll like to read it in my mother tongue.

I think it's mostly a salad if I had to compare. Because while it is a mix of everything, there are distinct parts. Italian Americans have their own unique culture, so do Jewish Americans (which is an ethnicity sometimes but also sometimes a religion), and then African Americans who don't really know their homeland or specific ancestry due to the circumstances of slavery and have their own culture – just a few examples. Then you have the Creoles, the Amish, so on... and the salad can vary, lol! Sometimes tomatoes are really in, like sun dried in the 90s. Sometimes not, and there are fewer. (I mean this about the ebb and flow of certain groups, coming in or out, trends in immigration or emigration)
But in the same vein, it's very mixed. I think mostly White Americans are ethnically very mixed. It's not super common, I find, for them to have strictly ancestry of one country, unless the immigration is recent. That's also kind of Europe, though... I mean, I am German and Flemish (Dutch Belgian). But I live now in America.
If not for living here, I probably would not meet my husband, who is Korean-Polynesian-White. So, talk about melting pot, if we have a child, haha.

Just wish there was some way for it all to be harmonious.
 
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noname223

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Do you have the original source in German please? I'll like to read it in my mother tongue.

I think it's mostly a salad if I had to compare. Because while it is a mix of everything, there are distinct parts. Italian Americans have their own unique culture, so do Jewish Americans (which is an ethnicity sometimes but also sometimes a religion), and then African Americans who don't really know their homeland or specific ancestry due to the circumstances of slavery and have their own culture – just a few examples. Then you have the Creoles, the Amish, so on... and the salad can vary, lol! Sometimes tomatoes are really in, like sun dried in the 90s. Sometimes not, and there are fewer. (I mean this about the ebb and flow of certain groups, coming in or out, trends in immigration or emigration)
But in the same vein, it's very mixed. I think mostly White Americans are ethnically very mixed. It's not super common, I find, for them to have strictly ancestry of one country, unless the immigration is recent. That's also kind of Europe, though... I mean, I am German and Flemish (Dutch Belgian). But I live now in America.
If not for living here, I probably would not meet my husband, who is Korean-Polynesian-White. So, talk about melting pot, if we have a child, haha.

Just wish there was some way for it all to be harmonious.
The text is even for free. I recommend the Bundeszentrale fĂĽr Politische Bildung a lot. They have such good educational articles for free. The dossiers are phenomenal.

 
Mrs. T-800

Mrs. T-800

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Nov 25, 2025
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The text is even for free. I recommend the Bundeszentrale fĂĽr Politische Bildung a lot. They have such good educational articles for free. The dossiers are phenomenal.

Thank you so much! (We say "Vielen Dank")
Looking forward to reading. Always I'm looking for more German things to read, too expensive to import magazines and papers, not a fan of TV so much. Looks a perfect length to print out to read. I really appreciate it.
 
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