Discussion The obsession with SN on this forum seems really weird to me

[qw3rty259]

I will probably piss someone off here, but I'm not trying to be rude. I just read some post on this site about its side effects and success rate some time ago and it's nowhere near to a "peaceful" death. And also there are cases when users just throw up and get help or something like that. So this obsession is weird to me. I would understand if they were hunting for Cyanide or something but not SN.

 

[N3UR0T1C]

It's about as close to a peaceful death as you are going to get without having to procure controlled substances, at least in the US. Most of the symptoms of SN poisoning occur after an individual is already rendered unconscious. Typically, the vomiting will occur if an individual does not do a proper regimen of antiemetics before hand.

 

[lnlybnny]

Don't find it weird at all. There is no perfect, smooth death, every method has its pros and cons, it's just that the pros of SN seem more reasonable to most people here, as you can't easily get something like N. They say SN is the poor man's N actually. It's what we've got at the moment.

 

[TiredTurtle]

cyanide is a horribly painful way to die, please never consider it

 

[Acritarch]

I will probably piss someone off here, but I'm not trying to be rude. I just read some post on this site about its side effects and success rate some time ago and it's nowhere near to a "peaceful" death. And also there are cases when users just throw up and get help or something like that. So this obsession is weird to me. I would understand if they were hunting for Cyanide or something but not SN.

The reason for this is that it is often easier to obtain SN.
If the quality is good and you stick to the plan, it should work.
It's also virtually painless, apart from the vomiting that can happen, but doesn't have to.

 

[Unknown21]

cyanide is a horribly painful way to die, please never consider it

Painful, but in return you will get a very reliable and fast method.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I just think it seems like the lesser of the evils to a lot of us. It's far from perfect but personally speaking, I don't fancy breaking the law and being caught trying to get hold of Nembutal, Fentanyl or Heroin. I also know I'm too much of a wuss to risk something like jumping and I'm UK based so firearms are harder to get hold of. Out of interest though, what do you consider a better method?

 

[Jack_Nimble]

It works often. And it used to be much easier to obtain. I'm sure cyanide would be a popular choice if it were easy to obtain. But you can't just buy it like you used to be able to with SN.

 

[qw3rty259]

Out of interest though, what do you consider a better method?

Hanging. Not partial or something like that. Just a concrete method if you take care of all the details, such as: rope, place, knots. It'll be painful, of course, but there is no guarantee of painless passing using SN neither. I just prefer the pain of suffocation with the guarantee of the deadly outcome over weird sensations of pain in my stomach or body and a possible survival. Also, there is an anecdotal bonus for hanging as hypoxic euphoria...

Edit: just wanted to also add that there is a big window of time when using SN for you to get nervous and change your mind, you might freak out and call an ambulance after consumption. Whereas with hanging once it's done - there is no way to rethink and go back

 

[Forever Sleep]

Hanging. Not partial or something like that. Just a concrete method if you take care of all the details, such as: rope, place, knots. It'll be painful, of course, but there is no guarantee of painless passing using SN neither. I just prefer the pain of suffocation with the guarantee of the deadly outcome over weird sensations of pain in my stomach or body and a possible survival. Also, there is an anecdotal bonus for hanging as hypoxic euphoria...

It's something I've considered- of course. I imagine most people have but, I don't have anywhere suitable for full drop. So- that would risk using a public place and either being caught and stopped or, traumatizing someone finding the body. I think we likely all have a set of 'needs' we work to when choosing a method. Not that anything is perfect. It angers me that we're going to have to put ourselves through this to be honest.

 

[frost_]

Isn't high concentration CO quicker and painless? It's a harder method to set up (having a safe space in a house vs. car/tent, method of generating CO by charcoal/chemicals) but it can be tested with a meter and at high enough concentrations I've read you basically instantly fall unconscious.

 

[qw3rty259]

I don't have anywhere suitable for full drop.

That's unfortunate. I think some forest or forest areas are the best, but you also have to study the place you choose, even if it's secluded to be sure no one's walking there at the hours you chose for the action. At least that's what i did to be extra sure, lol. Because I don't want to be saved and I'm concerned of shocking the people who'll find my body too. I also think it's better to put a winter hat on (or something like that) to cover up your face, because i imagine it's the most shocking part when dealing with hanging

 

[rozeske]

Considering the fact that suicide isn't peaceful unless you have access to opioids or assisted dying, i personally believe SN is as peaceful as it can get. In the end it all comes down to what makes you comfortable and what you consider is peaceful.

 

[Mr.Tristesse]

If it makes you feel better, you're not the first person by any means to make a thread like this...

 

[Ambivalent1]

Seems pathological

 

[ham and potatoes]

So this obsession is weird to me.

I agree. I feel like it's not much harder to order drugs (synthetic opioids for example) off the DW, and go out that way. And I'm sure it would be allot more euphoric and less painful

 

[azo]

SN requires little set-up compared to CO/gases and isn't as likely to trigger SI as a gun or perhaps hanging. There are other, more peaceful, methods that fulfil those conditions like cyanide and fentanyl but the difference is that those methods were restricted long before this site was founded. My impression is that the thing that made SN popular in the first place was its previous accessibility, and even though it's no longer easily accessible to something like 75% of the members here, it remains popular because it's already been touted so much.

 

[qw3rty259]

I agree. I feel like it's not much harder to order drugs (synthetic opioids for example) off the DW, and go out that way. And I'm sure it would be allot more euphoric and less painful

You went straight to the meat and potatoes, would't have expected less from you

 

[heavenplzhelp77]

cyanide is a horribly painful way to die, please never consider it

We don't know exactly how painful it is but at least it's super quick and completely reliable

 

[UKscotty]

I doubt many people actually go ahead and use it though. It's more a comfort blanket, making people feel some pressure relief.

I suspect even people with SN go on to get better or use partial to CTB. It's a method that sounds good in theory but not so ideal in practice when you want to end it quick.

 

[_Minsk]

Back then I felt the same way but after i did research on methods I understood it. Its quite simple and convenient.
N definitely is the perfect method imo but getting it has become almost impossible, so sn is an alternative

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Probably because of accessibility and illusory peacefulness compared to how gruesome hanging is portrayed in media. The actual peaceful suicide methods (opioids, barbiturates) are illegal in nearly every single country, and I think most people aren't willing to take the risk. Being hellbent on chemicals that are legal and more easily accessible does leave scant options. This is probably why this method is frequently talked about here, a lot of the "classic" non-narcotic means of poisoning oneself were banned ages ago.

Even if you're in a country that has laxer drug laws, the penalties for possession of strong opioids for recreational use can be quite harsh. A lot of people here have been sectioned or dealt with the cops before due to being suicidal and probably don't want a repeat of that if they slip up. My ideal method of choice for myself out of what is accessible in this day and time would be CO2, but it's difficult to pull off or conceal the equipment. I have no idea how many Korean celebrities and idols manage to do it in very cramped, crowded cities in non-clandestine hotels.

I chose SN for myself because I've tried hanging before and it was just too painful. The consequences of messing up and failing a hanging seem to be way worse, and less reversible. It's easy to abort an SN attempt within a reasonable time window, an antidote exists if one changes their mind at the last second or can't bear the pain. With hanging, you have a very real chance of sustaining brain damage from oxygen deprivation if anything goes wrong and you're found/fail the attempt.

I definitely don't think SN is peaceful or pleasant, but for the reasons stated above, I chose it for myself over other more crude/violent methods like hanging, drowning, train, etc. To me those are last resorts and I wouldn't want to do something like hanging if other options existed.

 

[Trav1989]

I will probably piss someone off here, but I'm not trying to be rude. I just read some post on this site about its side effects and success rate some time ago and it's nowhere near to a "peaceful" death. And also there are cases when users just throw up and get help or something like that. So this obsession is weird to me. I would understand if they were hunting for Cyanide or something but not SN.

It's the best option that most people have available to them and if you do somehow survive the repercussions seem a lot less severe than most other methods. Then again, it's unlikely to fail as you have 20+/- minutes or-so before your out and at that point it's relatively smooth sailing as a CTB method.

 

[Z-A]

I don't think SN is an obsession here, it's probably because it's the only method that's the most accessible and effective that there is. Other drugs or poisonous substances are illegal and hard to acquire and not many of them will have a much better result.

 

[Anon1337]

It makes sense though. Being able to hold something in the palm of your hand that mixed with a small amount of water will result in death is appealing. Other methods are brutal, require more set up or can only only be obtained illegally. Although I'm as terrified of drinking it as much as the other methods. I do think some people tend to jump on the bandwagon without doing much research into it.

 

[martinso67]

I want to do the nitrogen exit bag method. But it fails logistic wise. Cannot transport the gas bottle. I need to have a car to get it into a rented place.

Also people must not see it. They would not allow me maybe as well.
The nitrogen would give me a good and peaceful sleep. But it could be a little side effects

 

[thealteredmind]

take SN while doing full suspension hanging

 

[jumpman133]

Is SN actually realistic to get? I know people talk about it a lot because it seems peaceful but it seems more like a pipe dream. Not as much of a fantasy as N but still something I feel like is discussed far too much when it's not an overly viable option for the majority of people

 

[Draconis]

Hanging. Not partial or something like that. Just a concrete method if you take care of all the details, such as: rope, place, knots. It'll be painful, of course, but there is no guarantee of painless passing using SN neither. I just prefer the pain of suffocation with the guarantee of the deadly outcome over weird sensations of pain in my stomach or body and a possible survival. Also, there is an anecdotal bonus for hanging as hypoxic euphoria...

Edit: just wanted to also add that there is a big window of time when using SN for you to get nervous and change your mind, you might freak out and call an ambulance after consumption. Whereas with hanging once it's done - there is no way to rethink and go back

Yes i smile when i think of stepping off the stool because then there is no way back but what type of rope size and material is the best for more comfort in a full suspension hanging?No way i use a thin 0,8 mm climbing line that cuts painful into the neck like almost everyone suggest.I`m thinking of a 16mm climbing rope that will cut less in the neck.

 

[Shakespeare&Company]

IMO it just seems the closest to a medically assisted suicide. By the time you pass out, you wont feel the possible convulsions as I'm pretty sure they seldom take place before being unconscious (?). I've also considered this method if I ever ctb because it leaves no mess for the paramedics who find me. I don't want to leave blood, gore, bulging eyes, etc