Method The "night-night" method mega thread.

[dogbird]

Ok, I think I'm doing something wrong or actually this method is not that good?
I've done a lot of practice so I know well where to put the cornsacks.
I'm using exactly that. Cornsacks stuffed with beans and ratchet.
I tried to make it for good today but didn't get it right .
I didn't get to be unconscious ....
A minute or maybe two passed and I saw in a mirror that neither face was swollen.
If I stood up I felt very bad so I stayed in bed.
But I could still stand up and walk
. 3 minutes passed.
And I got scared
"I'm not losing consciousness, what if I have a heart attack or a stroke because of this? And I die in a painful way or worse, I don't die after the pain".
I really made sure I did everything right.

 

[Thomas_Europe]

This seems the best method because there's no real consequence for failure and it's not half as uncomfortable as any other method but I'm losing hope that it's actually viable

I agree. I also did try it… But on the other hand if it is that unreliable how can it be a method for combat. Perhaps we are doing something wrong?

 

[bbmaas12]

how much sound will it make, can i doo this at my parents house while they are asleep?

 

[StonerVsAlly]

so basically all i need to do is wrapping the rachet/tape with the bags behind my neck as hard as possible? that doesn't sounds hard, tho idk if it'd be easy to make sure the sack stay in place when i wrap it with rachet/tape

 

[StonerVsAlly]

is gorilla tape really necessary? can i just any big tape like something like flex tape for example?

 

[Hojag]

Hey everyone,

Been talking to a lot of people in the chat and trying to explain this method, and one user wanted me to make a post about it, so here goes everything.

We're going after a classic idea of using a blood choke, except, it will be against ourselves. In the privacy of our own homes. In a fully relaxed state.

This method is fully capable and will kill you very fast. I know this because it's what we were taught in the Marine Corps.

First, you're going to want some Gorilla tape OR a tree ratchet.

Second, get two Sackhole/Cornhole bags.

Now, depending on what you're using, you'll want to lie on the ground and put the bags on these two exact areas on your neck (In blue).

The reason we're lying on the ground is that we want to be able not to have to fuss over putting the bags on us and making sure they don't fall out of place before we use the ratchet or the tape. You're putting the bags on these two areas to go after the internal carotid arteries.

Start cinching the ratchet closed or wrap the tape around your neck once. Is everything feeling good? I'm glad. If not, then uncinch it a little and place the bags. You want to make sure that you're not compressing the windpipe as that could cause you to freak out a little.

We want this to be painless and fast.

After you're comfortable, sit down if you want to or stand up. Do whatever you want honestly. Start wrapping the tape around your neck more and a little tighter or start closing the ratchet more.

In about 5-20 seconds you will pass out. After that, it's pretty much game over unless you somehow hit the ratchet release. That's why I said we could also use tape as well. With the gorilla tape, it will make sure that you don't inadvertently try to tear the tap off... because it will be strong as hell around your neck.

After you pass out, it will only take a few minutes, and you will be brain dead from the complete lack of blood flow to your brain.

I think I've explained this pretty well and I hope you guys understand the method. If not, please don't hesitate and I'm sure that I can help you out or someone else in the community can help you out.

Guess I understand now how wrong I made it last night...

Not that I was in my mind, so failure was expected (and I'm half glad for having failing).

My right lung is crackling a little, my neck is in hell pain and my eyes still sore. Are these exepected syntoms from a failed attempt?

 

[HereIGoAgain24]

I'm also wondering about this. I'm worried about trying to get the Gorilla tape off if I fail.

 

[dieschwarzekatze]

Ive been following this thread for a few days and read where the "issue" lies for a few folks. did some test runs myself and got close to passout so i'm fairly certain its viable.

Here's something i dont think has been mentioned or maybe explained poorly (did a lot of skimming and mostly stuck to reading our late mentor Kooz): The main idea is the goal is to rear naked chock ourselves. finding the carotid artery helps but i think a better method for some of yall is to basically use the cornhole bags like an elbow. my dumbass forgot to get some tape but luckily it came with a storage bag that conveniently enough fits 2 laying flat essentially becoming my "elbow"
If you're doing it right you should pass out quite quickly. i'll admit my testing was more preplanning. plan to drink and take DPH shortly before to help calm me down but be alert enough-ish. a suggestion i have would be to lie the 2 bags next to each other and tape them together so you can fold them like a book creating our "elbow" from there the rest should just be making adjustments and testing. i may update before i ctb tonight with updates on my testing, im tired in physical pain and facing eviction from depression. i'd rather go into the darkness than struggle homeless.

is gorilla tape really necessary? can i just any big tape like something like flex tape for example?

from what ive read the any tape will work so long as it stays in place. i think Kooz suggested more out of "i know this works" but so long as the end goal is satified the exact type of tape shouldn't matter. i didnt use tape and my testing got decent results

 

[Voideteyy]

For those of you thatt have been practicing, I have pinched both Cartoids, I thtink, and sttarted to gett a lightheaded feeling as well as if I was getting tired butt I do nott know if this is placebo. I have heard otthers statting tthat when they have it in the right spot, they start to see ''black stars (i guess the fuzzy ''white noise'' stuff in our vision)'' and tthen vision startts tto black out, but my experience is justt of a slightly light-headed and blurring vision case.

Therefore, is this basically the sensation I am looking for? If so I know im doing it right. I havent practiced at all with ttightening the strap. Just pinching the arteries myself.

 

[cantkeepg0ing]

I have done an extensive amount of research into carotid compression over the past few days. Here are some of my findings that I think could be useful to anyone struggling with this method. I also want to note that I have found my sweet spot many times at this point.

From my testing on carotid compression, I have been able to give myself deeply intense full body tingles, these usually start at my feet and go upwards. I am also able to give myself muffled hearing, as well as my vision beginning to fade to black. Something else that I have not read here much that I experience is feeling the need to breath, even though I am already breathing deeply. However, for me these effects end up taking closer to 30 seconds full swing. I have held this up to a minute and still have not passed out from it. This is not due to not having enough pressure, as on some of these attempts I am pressing hard enough to the point where I am experiencing a decent amount of pain in my neck where I am pressing. I am going to experiment with using smaller hard objects rather than my fingers and if I find anything different I will update my post here.

This lead me to looking more into why I cannot pass out from this method. Here are some reasons why you can experience all of these "side effects" and still not pass out:

Larger vertebral arteries leading to sufficient enough blood flow to the brain.

Your baroreceptors have a naturally low sensitivity, meaning the vagal response is not strong enough to induce a blackout.

High blood pressure or baseline heart rate, this makes you more resistant to a vagal response. Your body will require a stronger signal to cause a vagal response.

Lower baseline vagal tone, this reflects how much influence your parasympathetic nervous system has an effect over blood pressure and heart rate. This could mean that carotid compression may not trigger enough of a vagal response to cause a blackout.

High chronic stress, this alone can cause you to have a lower baseline vagal tone. This is most likely due to your fight or flight being over reactive. This can have an effect on how easily you can pass out from compression. Your system resists the sudden blood pressure and heart rate drop.

I am unsure if this means it's is truly impossible to pass out from this, but it seems that in rare cases it could be, for others, it may just take much longer to pass out. It is also possible you are compressing too high or too low while still experiencing these effects that others claim means you have found the sweet spot. I will continue experimenting and if I find anything else I will update.

A few tips for people struggling to feel these effects at all:

Make sure you aren't moving the carotids around while doing this. I am able to locate my carotids 100% of the time, however when I try pressing down often times they move around. The best way I have been able to combat this is by pressing at a slightly more forward angle. Play around with this as everyone's anatomy is different and you may find a different angle works better for you.

For me, this works much better laying down than sitting or standing up. This is possibly why I am not able to pass out, as I have heard it is harder to pass out laying down from this. You might be in the same boat, but try and find them laying down. I have my neck slightly extended, I am laying on a pillow and looking almost straight up at the ceiling. This makes it much easier for me to find the right spot and to feel some of these effects.

As far as positioning on the neck, what works for me is about 1/2 an inch to an inch above my Adam's Apple, and about 1 1/2 to 2 inches on either side of the Adam's Apple. A bit lower works as well but that has proven harder to work for me.

If you use nicotine like I do, make sure to practice this about 90 minutes since your last smoke, vape, dip, pouch, etc. This will cause your blood pressure to lower and you can pass out more easily. Additionally try and practice this when you aren't as anxious/stressed.

I will keep trying hourly to get this to work, however I'm becoming a bit discouraged. However, it only takes me about 1-2 minutes to find the right spot to give me these sensations, so I think it's worth trying out more. I really want to use this method to ctb however I'm thinking this might not work for me. Please don't take this post as discouraging this method as I think it can definitely work for a lot of people, it's just quite tricky to get down. If you are able to find your sweet spot, you're already halfway there. I wish you all good luck in your findings/practice/attempts. As soon as I can get this down I plan to ctb so if you don't hear from me in the future you know what happened. I will try and update as frequently as I can.

 

[cantkeepg0ing]

For those of you thatt have been practicing, I have pinched both Cartoids, I thtink, and sttarted to gett a lightheaded feeling as well as if I was getting tired butt I do nott know if this is placebo. I have heard otthers statting tthat when they have it in the right spot, they start to see ''black stars (i guess the fuzzy ''white noise'' stuff in our vision)'' and tthen vision startts tto black out, but my experience is justt of a slightly light-headed and blurring vision case.

Therefore, is this basically the sensation I am looking for? If so I know im doing it right. I havent practiced at all with ttightening the strap. Just pinching the arteries myself.

See my comment. You may be experiencing some of the struggles that I am, I explain why some people have a much harder time passing out.

 

[tiredwannagohome]

Hey everyone,

Been talking to a lot of people in the chat and trying to explain this method, and one user wanted me to make a post about it, so here goes everything.

We're going after a classic idea of using a blood choke, except, it will be against ourselves. In the privacy of our own homes. In a fully relaxed state.

This method is fully capable and will kill you very fast. I know this because it's what we were taught in the Marine Corps.

First, you're going to want some Gorilla tape OR a tree ratchet.

Second, get two Sackhole/Cornhole bags.

Now, depending on what you're using, you'll want to lie on the ground and put the bags on these two exact areas on your neck (In blue).

The reason we're lying on the ground is that we want to be able not to have to fuss over putting the bags on us and making sure they don't fall out of place before we use the ratchet or the tape. You're putting the bags on these two areas to go after the internal carotid arteries.

Start cinching the ratchet closed or wrap the tape around your neck once. Is everything feeling good? I'm glad. If not, then uncinch it a little and place the bags. You want to make sure that you're not compressing the windpipe as that could cause you to freak out a little.

We want this to be painless and fast.

After you're comfortable, sit down if you want to or stand up. Do whatever you want honestly. Start wrapping the tape around your neck more and a little tighter or start closing the ratchet more.

In about 5-20 seconds you will pass out. After that, it's pretty much game over unless you somehow hit the ratchet release. That's why I said we could also use tape as well. With the gorilla tape, it will make sure that you don't inadvertently try to tear the tap off... because it will be strong as hell around your neck.

After you pass out, it will only take a few minutes, and you will be brain dead from the complete lack of blood flow to your brain.

I think I've explained this pretty well and I hope you guys understand the method. If not, please don't hesitate and I'm sure that I can help you out or someone else in the community can help you out.

Does anyone have information about whether anyone has successfully used this method to ctb? Reads like a great plan but without any stats, I'm reluctant to try it (failure not an option, as you know). Thanks! Only other method I could POSSIBLY execute would be hanging,but I'm not getting any good tutorials about partial hanging (ala Kate Spade for instance) and being so slender, these 2 options may be my only hope. Joint disease makes a gun not a good option. Don't want to hurt anyone else inadvertently.

The ratchet strap method is advocated by Chris Docker in Five Last Acts. I played around last year and found it tricky to do standing up, but laying down first makes more sense.

This is interesting me more and more. Readily available, theoretically minimum fuss.

 

[Kotaru Chan]

I couldn't quite understand the issue about the bags.
1. What kind of bean bag? I live in Brazil so I didn't understand the reference.
2. What do I do with the bag when I put it around my neck? Do I have to balance it somehow? Open or closed? Do I have to secure it with tape?

 

[aiyuxhan]

H
Hi! I just want to say that I empathize with how you feel.

I have chronic illnesses with no cures, disabled with chronic pain 24/7, went through botched surgery and medical injury. I want out from this painful existence :(

What method are you choosing?

 

[deadgirl333]

Could I use two 8" squishmallows instead of cornhole bags?

 

[Sad Bear]

How reliable is this method? Has anyone heard of anyone CTBing from this method?

 

[HopeIsALie]

Thank you so much, this seems by far the easiest and most peaceful method. I'll keep this in mind until I'm ready and find somewhere peaceful where I can just relax and go happily doing something I enjoy <3

 

[asoka]

After reading about various methods, this is the one that I think is best for me. I'm wondering, though, about whether the cornhole bags (or something like them) mentioned here are actually necessary or just a complication. I have the book "Five Last Acts II" and it expresses a lot of confidence in just the ratchet strap, with only an exit hood as a possible extra precaution. It doesn't mention the need for any extra accessories like the cornhole bags. The way the book describes it, if the strap is high around your neck, just under your jaw, it will easily block the blood flow as desired without obstructing the windpipe. Anyone have thoughts on this? I'm just concerned that the addition of cornhole bags might actually add an extra risk to the process, if I don't place them just right.

 

[stanpiwon]

Hey everyone,

Been talking to a lot of people in the chat and trying to explain this method, and one user wanted me to make a post about it, so here goes everything.

We're going after a classic idea of using a blood choke, except, it will be against ourselves. In the privacy of our own homes. In a fully relaxed state.

This method is fully capable and will kill you very fast. I know this because it's what we were taught in the Marine Corps.

First, you're going to want some Gorilla tape OR a tree ratchet.

Second, get two Sackhole/Cornhole bags.

Now, depending on what you're using, you'll want to lie on the ground and put the bags on these two exact areas on your neck (In blue).


The reason we're lying on the ground is that we want to be able not to have to fuss over putting the bags on us and making sure they don't fall out of place before we use the ratchet or the tape. You're putting the bags on these two areas to go after the internal carotid arteries.

Start cinching the ratchet closed or wrap the tape around your neck once. Is everything feeling good? I'm glad. If not, then uncinch it a little and place the bags. You want to make sure that you're not compressing the windpipe as that could cause you to freak out a little.

We want this to be painless and fast.

After you're comfortable, sit down if you want to or stand up. Do whatever you want honestly. Start wrapping the tape around your neck more and a little tighter or start closing the ratchet more.

In about 5-20 seconds you will pass out. After that, it's pretty much game over unless you somehow hit the ratchet release. That's why I said we could also use tape as well. With the gorilla tape, it will make sure that you don't inadvertently try to tear the tap off... because it will be strong as hell around your neck.

After you pass out, it will only take a few minutes, and you will be brain dead from the complete lack of blood flow to your brain.

I think I've explained this pretty well and I hope you guys understand the method. If not, please don't hesitate and I'm sure that I can help you out or someone else in the community can help you out.

In the bathroom about to shower, the reason I chose the Cornhole bags is that they're a thick bag that has some weight and are flat.

With that said though, you can TOTALLY use whatever you want as long as it's not too light. T-shirts folded up (think like how you would pack up tshirts or socks to go camping) should work perfectly fine.

I'll post more once I can get to a computer

can SI effect the success rate of this method?

 

[DeathIsJustAJourney]

Once you pass out how fast do you die?as for me it will have to be fast to prevent mental health or police undoing my handiwork as I'm under constant surveillance in my home,so if it's fast it could be useful for me

Hey everyone,

Been talking to a lot of people in the chat and trying to explain this method, and one user wanted me to make a post about it, so here goes everything.

We're going after a classic idea of using a blood choke, except, it will be against ourselves. In the privacy of our own homes. In a fully relaxed state.

This method is fully capable and will kill you very fast. I know this because it's what we were taught in the Marine Corps.

First, you're going to want some Gorilla tape OR a tree ratchet.

Second, get two Sackhole/Cornhole bags.

Now, depending on what you're using, you'll want to lie on the ground and put the bags on these two exact areas on your neck (In blue).

The reason we're lying on the ground is that we want to be able not to have to fuss over putting the bags on us and making sure they don't fall out of place before we use the ratchet or the tape. You're putting the bags on these two areas to go after the internal carotid arteries.

Start cinching the ratchet closed or wrap the tape around your neck once. Is everything feeling good? I'm glad. If not, then uncinch it a little and place the bags. You want to make sure that you're not compressing the windpipe as that could cause you to freak out a little.

We want this to be painless and fast.

After you're comfortable, sit down if you want to or stand up. Do whatever you want honestly. Start wrapping the tape around your neck more and a little tighter or start closing the ratchet more.

In about 5-20 seconds you will pass out. After that, it's pretty much game over unless you somehow hit the ratchet release. That's why I said we could also use tape as well. With the gorilla tape, it will make sure that you don't inadvertently try to tear the tap off... because it will be strong as hell around your neck.

After you pass out, it will only take a few minutes, and you will be brain dead from the complete lack of blood flow to your brain.

I think I've explained this pretty well and I hope you guys understand the method. If not, please don't hesitate and I'm sure that I can help you out or someone else in the community can help you out.

 

[waitin2go]

Indeed, my threory is that it probably takes the miracle trio of

1. Vasovagal syncope (presumably the blackouts that everyone seems to experience)
(hope I'll edit later to include links to two separate comments that 1. mentioned various medical conditions that may prevent this and 2. Video of vasovagal syncope reactions in a presumably German study)

2. Compression of all three vessels
(2 jug veins AND carotid artery, refer pic) hence mimicry of the blood choke - corn/bean bags mimicking biceps and forearm muscles on side of neck

3. PERFECT location & pressure
while still allowing breath and prevent pain to avoid SI - from the rear neck choke video linked below, seems like the biceps and forearm muscles press on the sternocleidomastoid muscle that enables compression of all three main vessels there.

However even in the video he does mention that it would hurt the opponent's trachea so either our Lord and Master Kook had enough marine experience to be able to be immune to the trachea hurting, or genuinely doesn't feel pain when there's pressure on the trachea - I find that most of the former defence personnels here also report only feeling pressure whilst a lot of regular people report pain & bruising... I wonder if it's due to underdeveloped mastoids from lack of military training hence theres not enough muscle to push against the artery therefore hurting the trachea as well lol

I could be terribly wrong though, this is just my musings based off the many images and videos shared in this thread

I even tried mimicking with the passing out game gif shared in this thread, but nothing - whenever I exerted enough pressure I end up feeling pain in my trachea as well



Here below it seems like the artery is hidden under a lot of tissue and definitely needs significant pressure or even force?




Disclaimer: I only got up to page 30 of this thread then skipped to last page and went backwards from there up to page 56 so I may have missed some crucial info

For those of you thatt have been practicing, I have pinched both Cartoids, I thtink, and sttarted to gett a lightheaded feeling as well as if I was getting tired butt I do nott know if this is placebo. I have heard otthers statting tthat when they have it in the right spot, they start to see ''black stars (i guess the fuzzy ''white noise'' stuff in our vision)'' and tthen vision startts tto black out, but my experience is justt of a slightly light-headed and blurring vision case.

Therefore, is this basically the sensation I am looking for? If so I know im doing it right. I havent practiced at all with ttightening the strap. Just pinching the arteries myself.

At this point I'm thinking probably a good way would be to make a prosthetic arm lol, two metal pipes to mimic bones and wrap enough cloth around them to mimic biceps and forearm muscles, then thread rope (or the ratchet strap) through the two rods (but also find a way to make sure that the two rods stay hinged at the "elbow" and don't slip position - perhaps knotted at the ends of the rods?)
Also from all the AEA accidentals one would assume it's easy, but I think even in AEA the trachea gets hurt somehow - just that perhaps some people feel pain more than others (just pressure)

Sigh, I was excited for this method coz although SN is available for purchase where I am, the other (very crucial) meds required are prescription-only and I have to submit valid govt ID for overseas shipping :/

 

[cemeteryismyhome]

You don't have to squeeze your neck. Pull out your left hand. Sit straight. Face directly in the front. Use your thumb and the left index and middle fingers joined together to form a U shape. place your left thumb on the left side of your neck and the combination of index and middle fingers on the right side of the neck. Look for a blob that pulses. It should be a little above the adam's apple on either side of the neck. When you feel that pulse, push it inside to compress the blob. This blob is called the carotid sinus. If you do it right, you will feel dizzy and your vision will begin to fade after 5 seconds. If nothing happens in 5 seconds, you are doing it wrong. Keep experimenting till you do it right. And it works better if you have a lean and thin neck. I took around 15 minutes to find the sweet spot.

Wow! Reading this reminded me of something I forgot and didn't realize... I used to do this when I was a kid, about 10 years old, for fun. It was so cool when things went black. Oh God I wish I had accidentally shut off the lights for good.

 

[waitin2go]

The reason why a lot of us can't faint: unlucky lack of carotid sinus sensitivity :/


(Sorry for starting a new comment, I wasn't aware there was a timeframe to edit comment so I left it for later)