Discussion The Gift of Life

[Marco77]

Some data, obviously underestimated and little or nothing discussed by the media regarding our frightening existence.

In Italy (around 59 million inhabitants), over 7 million people suffer from migraines, 12 million suffer from sleep disorders and over 1,200,000 people suffer from dementia, of which 720,000 from Alzheimer's; There are 800,000 patients with the disabling consequences of stroke, a pathology which records 180,000 new cases every year, and 400,000 are those affected by Parkinson's disease.

Respiratory diseases: among the leading causes of death in Italy

COPD In Italy, according to ISTAT, it affects 5.6% of adults (around 3.5 million people) and is responsible for 55% of deaths from respiratory diseases.

Tumors Italy STATISTICAL DATA

It is estimated that in Italy in 2023 there were approximately 395,000 new cancer diagnoses, approximately 208,000 among men (approximately 3,000 more diagnoses than in 2022) and approximately 187,000 among women (approximately 1,000 more than in 2022).
Over 200 deaths per day from cancer, equal to approximately 80 thousand of the 180 thousand estimated annual deaths from cancer in Italy.

Amputees as a result of cancer or other illness?

Precisely according to the Disability Focus 2023 of the National Observatory on Health in the Italian Regions, people with disabilities in Italy (it does not take into account many categories, but focuses on consequences of illness, also excluding road accidents) are almost 13 million, equal to approximately 22% of the population.

And these are just a very few things that can happen if you decide to live. And we worry about the possible failure of 1% of a rifle?

 

[NoPoint2Life]

Where do you find all the stats and cases of suicide you post? I find there isn't much in the media here in the US with stories Of suicide.

Anyway, as always, another uplifting post from you, lol.

The sad thing is you are right. I am so afraid of the inevitable bad things. Every time I go down the stairs lately I have this thought about what if I break my leg. So I can't handle a minor thing. Never mind a major one.

SI is horrible though and even if I had a gun, just like everything else, I think in the end, I'd be too scared to use it. For me, that one percent is a big part of it.

 

[Marco77]

Where do you find all the stats and cases of suicide you post? I find there isn't much in the media here in the US with stories Of suicide.

Anyway, as always, another uplifting post from you, lol.

The sad thing is you are right. I am so afraid of the inevitable bad things. Every time I go down the stairs lately I have this thought about what if I break my leg. So I can't handle a minor thing. Never mind a major one.

SI is horrible though and even if I had a gun, just like everything else, I think in the end, I'd be too scared to use it. For me, that one percent is a big part of it.

In every nation there is a tendency to underestimate the "living person injury" phenomenon, this is probably also true in the United States. Much data is public, but much is very difficult to find. However, I'm not giving up. In this forum we often talk about suicide, but we give little space to life. And talking about life isn't always as rosy and fairytale-like as they want us to believe. Life has consequences, living is dangerous and potentially shackling. Living is not family, friends, entertainment, fulfillment etc etc... The latter are just ploys to hide the rottenness that is under the carpet.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Both life and suicide terrifies me. All of this pointless pain and agony can be prevented if only euthanasia was legalised but, then again, I bet many people would rather live in excruciating pain than choose to die by euthanasia. That's just human nature unfortunately and it's fucking terrifying. It honestly feels like I'm in a distorted nightmare full of monsters and crazy people except that this nightmare is real and is happening right now. This nightmare will end soon but it feels never ending

 

[FuneralCry]

It's all so horrific to me, I see existence as the most horrifying abomination that just causes endless amounts of cruelty and suffering, it terrifies me how one is capable of suffering to unlimited extents in this existence, this is certainly a reason as to why I only hope for non-existence as after all only when I no longer exist will I be safe from all suffering unable to feel any pain and unable to be harmed in any way.

To me human existence is such a terrible, torturous burden that just causes so much harm, I'd never wish to be conscious of any of this and I see so much cruelty in how euthanasia is denied even know one can end up in a situation of way more unbearable torture of any moment. To me the reality of existence is so horrific, it's certainly a reason as to why I've only ever wished for death, I'd always prefer to painlessly die than to prolong the suffering this existence causes just to risk ending up in a stuation of way worse agony just to be tortured by old age and die anyway.

 

[Marco77]

It's all so horrific to me, I see existence as the most horrifying abomination that just causes endless amounts of cruelty and suffering, it terrifies me how one is capable of suffering to unlimited extents in this existence, this is certainly a reason as to why I only hope for non-existence as after all only when I no longer exist will I be safe from all suffering unable to feel any pain and unable to be harmed in any way.

To me human existence is such a terrible, torturous burden that just causes so much harm, I'd never wish to be conscious of any of this and I see so much cruelty in how euthanasia is denied even know one can end up in a situation of way more unbearable torture of any moment. To me the reality of existence is so horrific, it's certainly a reason as to why I've only ever wished for death, I'd always prefer to painlessly die than to prolong the suffering this existence causes just to risk ending up in a stuation of way worse agony just to be tortured by old age and die anyway.

If only people would listen to your wise reflections. You have a sensitive soul. Too sensitive for this world.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Imo by the law of probability u have to sum the probabilities of all the horrible things that can happen. But most humans seem to think they are immune to very horrible things happening to them

I don't see any objective reason why I have to live another minute, or to have to want to live another minute . Much less to have to work 15 hours per day a job chores only to exist under threat of extreme torture.

Every human and animal is under threat of extreme torture

There is pain so bad a few seconds of it make everything else meaningless

The only safety From the threat of extreme suffering is non-existence forever.

Permanent non-existence is the only guarantee of never feeling constant unbearable pain. After Death is non-existence forever

To me myself never existing again is the most beautiful thing by a trillion times

Imo by the law of probability u have to sum the probabilities of all the horrible things that can happen. But most humans seem to think they are immune

If u think the law of probability is not real shake 30 quarters or coins in a plastic bucket throw them on a table u will never get all heads or all tails

I don't want to live and no one can convince me there is some objective reason that i have to live another minute or that any sentient animal has to or to want to live or do anything at all. There is no reason to live but there is much more . i don't have the words to describe how much i hate living / existing .

i see that many i guess do think they want to live :

to want to live you'd have to believe that there is some objective reason or that the crap meaningless addictions are worth all the daily labor, stress , suffering , humiliations, hassles , headaches , worry , injustice , things going wrong, etc.

and that the crap meaningless addictions are worth living which means all that and this :

having to work every day for 15 hours per day working a job , chores , suffering , trying to solve problems , cleaning every damn thing, having to eat 3 time a day, groceries , to do lists, suffering , stress, problems .... every damn day ... then get up shower brush teeth and do it again and again every day for 90 years. .

work all day a job ,to do lists, chores for 15 hours per day every day for 90 years for what reason? there is no objective reason

Life is not worth going or risking the many horrible things diseases,old age, oppression, injustice , grief, depression, disabling accidents, stroke, cancer, extreme suffering, heartbreak , unbearable pain, kidnapping torture, , tape worm infection, tick bytes, lyme, scams, lies, heartbreak and 1000 more .

Life is not worth the unbearable pain possible ..

always hungry having to work , suffer, every every for 90 years all the time risking extreme torture all for no objective reason.

life is just cells , a machine , piece of chemistry . there is no purpose.

no one can convince me there is an objective reason why i or any human has to live even another minute or to want to live or do anything . there is no objective reasons . life is meaningless suffering. life is an evil imposition prison torture slavery

but these and many more reasons why life is horrible are summed up on top of each other to make life a nightmare

the pleasurable addictions are the most evil because it's these that keep one here to fall for the worst torture and the worst pain imaginable . a fucking sandwhich or a fucking youtube video are not worth anything much less going through extreme torture or even all this suffering and slavery. these addictions are just bait

life is evil . life has tortured a thousand trillion sentient animals for 500 million years. most animals died by being eaten alive by other animals, parasites or bacteria . loot at all the horrible evil things in this world. who would want to be a part of this evil ? are they blind or heavily programmed since birth ? i'd say the latter


I don't have any mental illness

Is it rational and logical for me to question why am I working so hard so many hours for what reason? There is no objective reason.

I don't want to do anything . I prefer non-existence . This is rational not mental illness .

Is it logical to want to work 15 hours a day doing chores, trying to fix problems, having to eat 3 times A day , working a job and commuting, to do lists, cleaning everything etc... Every day . This is every day and for no objective reasons for 90 years, all the time risking extreme torture

Only in non-existence can guarantee never any pain , suffering, problems, bad memories

Instead they tell me I'm insane for not wanting to be a slave prisoner working so hard risking extreme torture for no reason. Trying to beg and cope and humiliate myself to all this evil for no reason

I reject all of existence logically.

With my suicide I can solve all my problems instantly and forever. How is that not rational and a sign of mental illness? It's not .

Non-existence forever is the best thing suffering ever

 

[TragedyBornCrimson]

Life is excruciating not just physically but mentally and spiritually. Literally nothing we do matters as we all leave it all behind when we die. It's like everyone in this site has a curse. A curse to see reality as it actually is. I honestly envy people that can find purpose in surface level things.

 

[isolatedl111]

Some data, obviously underestimated and little or nothing discussed by the media regarding our frightening existence.

In Italy (around 59 million inhabitants), over 7 million people suffer from migraines, 12 million suffer from sleep disorders and over 1,200,000 people suffer from dementia, of which 720,000 from Alzheimer's; There are 800,000 patients with the disabling consequences of stroke, a pathology which records 180,000 new cases every year, and 400,000 are those affected by Parkinson's disease.

Respiratory diseases: among the leading causes of death in Italy

COPD In Italy, according to ISTAT, it affects 5.6% of adults (around 3.5 million people) and is responsible for 55% of deaths from respiratory diseases.

Tumors Italy STATISTICAL DATA

It is estimated that in Italy in 2023 there were approximately 395,000 new cancer diagnoses, approximately 208,000 among men (approximately 3,000 more diagnoses than in 2022) and approximately 187,000 among women (approximately 1,000 more than in 2022).View attachment 154992
Over 200 deaths per day from cancer, equal to approximately 80 thousand of the 180 thousand estimated annual deaths from cancer in Italy.

Amputees as a result of cancer or other illness?

Precisely according to the Disability Focus 2023 of the National Observatory on Health in the Italian Regions, people with disabilities in Italy (it does not take into account many categories, but focuses on consequences of illness, also excluding road accidents) are almost 13 million, equal to approximately 22% of the population.View attachment 154993

And these are just a very few things that can happen if you decide to live. And we worry about the possible failure of 1% of a rifle?

No one decides to be born