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Since my time here is limited, and so it seems, is a lot of information about Fent, Here is the place to learn all we can.
I am not an expert by any means, and I hope that others can add their wisdom as well.
I have, however, been researching everything I can find on the subject and would like to pass it on to all of you so that it can remain here once I'm gone to help inform those who come after us. :heart:

Since not many of us are hardened opioid users, I will keep language simple and street lingo to a minimum.

I am writing this because it is my humble opinion that F can be just as reliable and peaceful as either N or SN and is much easier for a lot of people to access.

A lot of people will say that using drugs to OD on is just too unreliable, and for many drugs, this is absolutely true. Opioids have been used for many years, both medically and recreationally, with relatively few overdose deaths. It is not easy to lethally OD on Heroin and other opioids alone. That was before F infiltrated the drug scene. It is F that has been responsible for killing tens of thousands of people in North America in the last 4 years.

What is Fentanyl ?

Fentanyl is a synthetic, very potent opioid that is used to manage mainly pain in those with end stage cancer. It is given via dermal patches, pills, sublingual tablets and through IV. It is dosed using MICRO units.
Just a few salt sized crystals of pure F is enough to kill a person. It is 20 to 40 times more potent than Heroin and 100 times as potent as morphine.
Medical grade F is Fentanyl Hydrochloride ( HCL )
There are also many F analogues that can be weaker than Fent HCL, or a lot deadlier ( like Carfentanil )

F is cut in to H and other drugs like Cocaine in order to give users who have built up a tolerance to their drug of choice a more powerful high. Because so little is needed, it is cheaper for dealers to cut with it.
It is used so commonly now that in North America it is difficult to find H that is not cut with F.
Pressed benzos are also usually cut heavily with F.

How long does it take for F to reach your CNS ?

That all depends on how you take it.
If you use IV injection, the effects are felt immediately. Many who OD are found with the syringe still in their arm.
Snorting and smoking also deliver the drug to your system quickly - within 2 to 5 minutes.
Sublingual or anal absorption can take from 5 to 15 minutes.
Transdermal patches can take 12 hours or more.

Route of Administration ( ROA )

F will come either as a crystalized powder, or as a pressed pill.
Unless you take them orally, pills need to be crushed in to a powder.
Powder must be mixed with water for anal or IV administration.
Not all routes are equal as far as bioavailability goes ( how well your body can absorb and use it )

IV injection - 100%
Snorting - 90%
Smoking - 80% ( although you will waste more product )
Anal/sublingual absorption - 85-90%
Oral ingestion - 40-50%

What is the lethal dose ?

The answer to that is that there's no definitive answer.
Studies suggest that the lethal dose for humans is 20- 25 mg. ( .025 g)
That is 25 mg of pure F. You will not have pure F.
You probably won't know what you really have - which is why F is so dangerous. There's no way to know for sure if what you bought has 10% F in it, or if you get a hot spot that is 90%. That's what kills addicts.

I have seen accounts of adult men OD'ing on as little as .05g. Someone with a high tolerance will have to take a lot more.
It is usually sold as .1 g . .25 g 1g
How much to take is the only unreliable part of F, simply because there are so many factors - method, strength, user tolerance, purity.
If you have zero tolerance, .1 g should be enough. .25 g would be even better, just in case.
I can NOT recommend how much anyone should take.



Where can I get it ?

There are several sources to purchase F.
One of course is the dark net.
There are lots of threads and info on how to access the darknet markets, so members can search that info on their own.
You can also find F on the streets, from local dealers. Be safe out there.


Testing F

You can test what you buy, to some extent.
You can get test strips that will test whether or not there is any F in your bag.
These strips can not, however, test the purity or amount in the cut.
They may or may not react to all of the different analogs.

So... your best bet is to find a reliable source to buy from. Either word of mouth for local dealers, or reviews and trust level ratings on the dark net.

CNS Depressants

One can intensify the depression of the CNS , thus making the combination much more effective, by also taking the following:
Benzos, Barbituates, Alcohol.


As always, be safe, do your own research , plan everything ahead of time... and know that we encourage everyone to do all they can to live their lives and get the help they may need to succeed to be happy and healthy. :heart:

* I will edit and add tomorrow once I proof read.
 
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Thank you for making this thread.

I'm confused about the (China White Heroin). It's listed under Fentanyl & RCs in one of the dark net markets. Is it different name or type of Fentanyl? If not, is it strong enough to treat it like Fentanyl for the purpose of CTB? Specially, level 1 & level x. My quick web search got me more confusing info.
 
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Good thread OP. Thank you for your contribution.
 
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many thanks for creating this thread , It's another option on the table .I knew F was lethal , apart from that didn't know much about it .
 
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I love your post. Thank you. I guess you are in a similar position to me, but further along. Thinking of you - and grateful for the information you are sharing.
 
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Thank you for making this thread.

I'm confused about the (China White Heroin). It's listed under Fentanyl & RCs in one of the dark net markets. Is it different name or type of Fentanyl? If not, is it strong enough to treat it like Fentanyl for the purpose of CTB? Specially, level 1 & level x. My quick web search got me more confusing info.

Good question.
China White is usually one of the street names for F. It's used universally to describe any mix of F and H.. or any analogs of either.
It took me over a month to try to find out exactly what was in that CW and how it differed from the synthetic H also being offered.
The vendor will not give answers - only to say that it's F based.

It is not pure F. You will rarely, if ever, find pure F.
It has been tested by several users and the F came up as Fent HCL.
The other part of the mix is a synthetic H - Likely Isotonitazene , which is dangerous enough in it's own right. It can read as a positive for meth on some tests, so there is still some debate about that
And... as with any drug you get... there will also be a cutting agent used to mix the two.
 
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Good work much appreciated, well written :)
 
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This is really a great contribution. As posters above said, it is well written, to the point, very comprehensible, and more than anything it enlightened & alerted me and others to other ideas we can research. More intelligent and fact based information, as you presented, if always of service to the SS community. Thank you, @Farmmaa.
 
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This is really a great contribution. As posters above said, it is well written, to the point, very comprehensible, and more than anything it enlightened & alerted me and others to other ideas we can research. More intelligent and fact based information, as you presented, if always of service to the SS community. Thank you, @Farmmaa.

Thank you @realjunes
 
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oh my goodnessssss thank you so much for this you don't know how much i needed this post perfect timing!
I recently came across a source on the DWeb who sells counterfeit oxycodone pills (they contain no actual oxy and 1.2 of fent in each pill) the seller has really solid reputation/reviews etc. and they claim the F is like 97-98% pure F HCL
I have next to no tolerance for fentanyl - the closest i have come is the few times they put me under for minor surgeries and what not - does that compare? my last surgery was like 3 years ago.
With a low tolerance, if i take enough pills with some alcohol and maybe some xanax or something do you think that would work?
I have also heard about the low bio availability of F when taken orally - this concerns me cuz im not really into injecting or anything like that - i guess i could crush and snort them too? thanks again
 
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oh my goodnessssss thank you so much for this you don't know how much i needed this post perfect timing!
I recently came across a source on the DWeb who sells counterfeit oxycodone pills (they contain no actual oxy and 1.2 of fent in each pill) the seller has really solid reputation/reviews etc. and they claim the F is like 97-98% pure F HCL
I have next to no tolerance for fentanyl - the closest i have come is the few times they put me under for minor surgeries and what not - does that compare? my last surgery was like 3 years ago.
With a low tolerance, if i take enough pills with some alcohol and maybe some xanax or something do you think that would work?
I have also heard about the low bio availability of F when taken orally - this concerns me cuz im not really into injecting or anything like that - i guess i could crush and snort them too? thanks again

Are they 1.2 mg each ?
The F may be almost pure, but I guarantee that they are cut with other ingredients - it would be impossible to press F crystals into a pill without binders, etc.
That said, if it is a trusted vendor with good reviews and trust level, there's no reason they would be any less effective than powder.

Oral bioavailability is only from 40-50% , so it will still work, and people have accidently OD on pills many times... but you would have to ingest twice as much as using another method. It also takes longer and increases the chance of vomiting.

You can crush and snort, smoke or mix with a bit of water and try anal absorption.
 
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thanks for the reply
1.2 in each pill yeah
they claim its some of the purest stuff on the market right now
Im thinking like 15 pills orally with a bunch of xanax and alcohol and then i may snort a few for good measure idk just need it to work
oh and are there any severe consequences with a failed F od???
brain damage etc.
and OP if you don't mind me asking - whats your method of choice? how would you go about it
 
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thanks for the reply
1.2 in each pill yeah
they claim its some of the purest stuff on the market right now
Im thinking like 15 pills orally with a bunch of xanax and alcohol and then i may snort a few for good measure idk just need it to work
oh and are there any severe consequences with a failed F od???
brain damage etc.

Just keep in mind that the estimated lethal dose is 20 - 25 mg.
Taking 15 pills would give you less than 20 mg... minus the 50% bioavailability -meaning only 10 mg may actually reach your CNS in sufficient amounts.
Xanax and alcohol will make up for some of that loss.
Snorting will also increase your chances.
 
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Since my time here is limited, and so it seems, is a lot of information about Fent, Here is the place to learn all we can.
I am not an expert by any means, and I hope that others can add their wisdom as well.
I have, however, been researching everything I can find on the subject and would like to pass it on to all of you so that it can remain here once I'm gone to help inform those who come after us. :heart:

Since not many of us are hardened opioid users, I will keep language simple and street lingo to a minimum.

I am writing this because it is my humble opinion that F can be just as reliable and peaceful as either N or SN and is much easier for a lot of people to access.

A lot of people will say that using drugs to OD on is just too unreliable, and for many drugs, this is absolutely true. Opioids have been used for many years, both medically and recreationally, with relatively few overdose deaths. It is not easy to lethally OD on Heroin and other opioids alone. That was before F infiltrated the drug scene. It is F that has been responsible for killing tens of thousands of people in North America in the last 4 years.

What is Fentanyl ?

Fentanyl is a synthetic, very potent opioid that is used to manage mainly pain in those with end stage cancer. It is given via dermal patches, pills, sublingual tablets and through IV. It is dosed using MICRO units.
Just a few salt sized crystals of pure F is enough to kill a person. It is 20 to 40 times more potent than Heroin and 100 times as potent as morphine.
Medical grade F is Fentanyl Hydrochloride ( HCL )
There are also many F analogues that can be weaker than Fent HCL, or a lot deadlier ( like Carfentanil )

F is cut in to H and other drugs like Cocaine in order to give users who have built up a tolerance to their drug of choice a more powerful high. Because so little is needed, it is cheaper for dealers to cut with it.
It is used so commonly now that in North America it is difficult to find H that is not cut with F.
Pressed benzos are also usually cut heavily with F.

How long does it take for F to reach your CNS ?

That all depends on how you take it.
If you use IV injection, the effects are felt immediately. Many who OD are found with the syringe still in their arm.
Snorting and smoking also deliver the drug to your system quickly - within 2 to 5 minutes.
Sublingual or anal absorption can take from 5 to 15 minutes.
Transdermal patches can take 12 hours or more.

Route of Administration ( ROA )

F will come either as a crystalized powder, or as a pressed pill.
Unless you take them orally, pills need to be crushed in to a powder.
Powder must be mixed with water for anal or IV administration.
Not all routes are equal as far as bioavailability goes ( how well your body can absorb and use it )

IV injection - 100%
Snorting - 90%
Smoking - 80% ( although you will waste more product )
Anal/sublingual absorption - 85-90%
Oral ingestion - 40-50%

What is the lethal dose ?

The answer to that is that there's no definitive answer.
Studies suggest that the lethal dose for humans is 20- 25 mg. ( .025 g)
That is 25 mg of pure F. You will not have pure F.
You probably won't know what you really have - which is why F is so dangerous. There's no way to know for sure if what you bought has 10% F in it, or if you get a hot spot that is 90%. That's what kills addicts.

I have seen accounts of adult men OD'ing on as little as .05g. Someone with a high tolerance will have to take a lot more.
It is usually sold as .1 g . .25 g 1g
How much to take is the only unreliable part of F, simply because there are so many factors - method, strength, user tolerance, purity.
If you have zero tolerance, .1 g should be enough. .25 g would be even better, just in case.
I can NOT recommend how much anyone should take.



Where can I get it ?

There are several sources to purchase F.
One of course is the dark net.
There are lots of threads and info on how to access the darknet markets, so members can search that info on their own.
You can also find F on the streets, from local dealers. Be safe out there.


Testing F

You can test what you buy, to some extent.
You can get test strips that will test whether or not there is any F in your bag.
These strips can not, however, test the purity or amount in the cut.
They may or may not react to all of the different analogs.

So... your best bet is to find a reliable source to buy from. Either word of mouth for local dealers, or reviews and trust level ratings on the dark net.

CNS Depressants

One can intensify the depression of the CNS , thus making the combination much more effective, by also taking the following:
Benzos, Barbituates, Alcohol.


As always, be safe, do your own research , plan everything ahead of time... and know that we encourage everyone to do all they can to live their lives and get the help they may need to succeed to be happy and healthy. :heart:

* I will edit and add tomorrow once I proof read.

Thank you for the information! It was very helpful!

I have a question regarding the detection of F.

I saw somewhere that mentioned that F is rarely tested in deaths by medical examiners/coroners unless a specific reason was given. Does anyone know if that's true? Does that mean one could potentially CTB with F without F being detected?
 
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Thank you for sharing this with us
 
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Thank you for the information! It was very helpful!

I have a question regarding the detection of F.

I saw somewhere that mentioned that F is rarely tested in deaths by medical examiners/coroners unless a specific reason was given. Does anyone know if that's true? Does that mean one could potentially CTB with F without F being detected?

I suppose it depends on where you live and how common F overdoses are.
In my area, it is a hue epidemic - so they will definitely test for it.

If F hasn't made it to your area yet, they may only test for H or other opioids.
 
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What method are you going to use to ingest? Also, do you know how long until death occurs after ingesting a lethal dose?
 
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What method are you going to use to ingest? Also, do you know how long until death occurs after ingesting a lethal dose?

I am going to use two methods - well, one method, two routes.
Sublingual and anal absorption.
I will be using an IV syringe with the needle removed to dose .15g mixed in 1 ml of water
I will then get myself put back together and put the remaining .1g of powder under my tongue.

Rate of death is relatively unknown and depends on a lot of factors.
It will however, be fairly quick... depending on ROA, it will start to depress the CNS in seconds, and up to 15 minutes.
It will kill you much faster than an H overdose.

I found this on one write-up:


"When Dr. Walley and colleagues analyzed death records for people who died of an opioid overdose, they found 76 percent tested positive for fentanyl in March 2015 – up from 44 percent in October 2014. They found 36 percent of fentanyl deaths had evidence of an overdose occurring within seconds to minutes after drug use, and 90 percent of people who died from a fentanyl overdose had no pulse by the time emergency medical services arrived."
 
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Does anyone know how much F you have to do if you take it sublingually under the tongue? Thank you so much!

Or can anyone discuss how they feel about the rectal method & please go over directions for that?
 
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This is a wonderful thread and glad it exists. Not sure if I possibly skipped it , but was wondering if anyone had information about carfentanyl.... I know it is being used in addition to f as a cut but is even harder to dose in the market. I feel as a heroin addict (been mostly clean the latter of a few years with the help of methadone ... Only dabble..my goal is to ctb after successfully finishing my taper off mmt if I can make it so I don't risk failing... Also rushing into it because I'm depressed seems to give off red flags)
 
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This is the same as fentanyl but much more potent with a higher therapeutic index. This makes it more difficult to determine accurate lethal dose, especially for people with high opioid tolerance like you. But this stuff is absolutely deadly.

Someone who cut drugs with carfentanil is a homicidal maniac :-)
 
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FENTANYL; one stormy night having trouble on the site, I came across incredible information all about how to get it safely, the dark web access, dosage, administration: it looked as if it were a printed page, with titles in different colors and topics headlines. I couldn't copy it, but noted it said it was posted in the Resource folder. But I cannot find it? Anyone see it? Thanks
 
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Boy do I wish I could find a dealer in town, I live in a country where it's an actual crisis and people are dropping left and right. I'm too much of a square to find dealers or frequent sketchy parts of town and I don't trust the dark net as much. If anyone has successfully sourced some, drop me a pm please!!
 
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FENTANYL; one stormy night having trouble on the site, I came across incredible information all about how to get it safely, the dark web access, dosage, administration: it looked as if it were a printed page, with titles in different colors and topics headlines. I couldn't copy it, but noted it said it was posted in the Resource folder. But I cannot find it? Anyone see it? Thanks
This one ?
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...the-ultimate-pain-free-exit-megathread.30451/
 
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This one ?
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...the-ultimate-pain-free-exit-megathread.30451/
YES, YES, thank you so much!, do you know if there is a way I can save it or mark it.
 
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YES, YES, thank you so much!, do you know if there is a way I can save it or mark it.
well, do you see the little "bookmark" symbol ?

1582953124800

Then you can go to your account area, and click "Bookmarks"
 
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YES, YES, thank you so much!, do you know if there is a way I can save it or mark it.
Thank you again, I have copied it. :wink:
This one ?
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...the-ultimate-pain-free-exit-megathread.30451/
This one ?
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...the-ultimate-pain-free-exit-megathread.30451/
This one ?
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...the-ultimate-pain-free-exit-megathread.30451/
This one ?
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...the-ultimate-pain-free-exit-megathread.30451/
This one ?
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...the-ultimate-pain-free-exit-megathread.30451/
well, do you see the little "bookmark" symbol ?

View attachment 28628

Then you can go to your account area, and click "Bookmarks"
Yes, I see it. Thank you again. Blessings and peace.
 
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Please keep in mind that Fentanyl is 100 times more potent in terms of analgesia compared to Morphine. Also, Carfentanyl has an analgesic potency of 10000x compared to Morphine and thus 100x the analgesic potency of Fentanyl. HOWEVER, the therapeutic index of Carfentanyl is much much higher than with Fentanyl itself. That means that even though Carfentanyl is much more potent, the same amount or even MORE could be required to kill you, compared to Fentanyl. To my knowledge, Fentanyl has a horrible therapeutic index and no medically used analogue (Alfentanyl, Lofentanyl, Sufentanyl and veterinary Carfentanyl; correct me if I forgot one or got one wrong) has a worse one. This could render Fentanyl the deadliest Fentanyl-compound. This in turn could also mean that an analogue with less potency could turn out to be more lethal than Fentanyl.

Only exception could be Remifentanyl. It has an extremely high tendency to cause respiratory depression, but it has an elimination half-life of a few minutes. Because of the half-life it is basically useless for safe suicide.

The only thing that could turn an analogue even more deadly, would be one that really dials up the binding affinity to mu-receptors. I know of one analogue (forgot the name sadly) that has a higher binding affinity than Naloxone and Naltrexone. This would mean that both compounds can NOT reverse an overdose and completely negate any chance of being "revived" in case of emergency service arriving and finding you. Only way would be a breather apparatus.

In terms of amplifying the lethality of any opioids, one could use most simply ethanol. Cheap, readily available, OTC, effective, easy to administer. Another more potent alternative would be 2M2B. It's 2-Methylbutan-2-ol and a tertiary alcohol. Tert. alcohols are completely resistant to metabolism and are expelled with breath and urine only. To add to it, 2M2B is extremely potent. A few mL are enough to get you blackout drunk for more than 12 hours. This alcohol would be very effective in a mix.

Benzodiazepines are another option. Pick any really. Flubromazolam for example is potentially lethal at 50-100mg itself, however it weird pharmacokinetics regarding plasma concentrations make it less than ideal in a mix.

Barbiturates are another option.

GHB, Sodium GHB, GBL and 1,4-BDO are also viable highly effective options. Both GBL and 1,4-BDO are metabolized into GHB and atleast in Germany freely available. I would include one as redundancy.

To round off the topic of cocktails and to complete the holy trinity of lethality, one could add carisoprodol to the mix. It is a potent muscle relaxant. People using opioids in combo with benzodiazepines and carisoprodol are orders of magnitude more at risk of dying. It's near impossible to acquire in this day and age though. In my experience Robaxin as an alternative, also really ramped up the respiratory effects when used recreationally with O-DSMT.

I would personally use a mix of atleast GBL and Heroin/Fentanyl. If I can get it in time, I would also add in Bretazenil. If I could acquire it, I would substitute Fentanyl or Heroin with BDPC (Bromadol), which is around 20x more potent BY WEIGHT than Fentanyl. !5mcg! of BDPC are a normal recreational dose and it also has a terrible therapeutic index. I would use GBL orally, Bretazenil rectally and the opioid rectally. This way I cannot puke any opioid or Bretazenil out.

This wraps up my current thoughts on using opioids to CTB.
 
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Please keep in mind that Fentanyl is 100 times more potent in terms of analgesia compared to Morphine. Also, Carfentanyl has an analgesic potency of 10000x compared to Morphine and thus 100x the analgesic potency of Fentanyl. HOWEVER, the therapeutic index of Carfentanyl is much much higher than with Fentanyl itself. That means that even though Carfentanyl is much more potent, the same amount or even MORE could be required to kill you, compared to Fentanyl. To my knowledge, Fentanyl has a horrible therapeutic index and no medically used analogue (Alfentanyl, Lofentanyl, Sufentanyl and veterinary Carfentanyl; correct me if I forgot one or got one wrong) has a worse one. This could render Fentanyl the deadliest Fentanyl-compound. This in turn could also mean that an analogue with less potency could turn out to be more lethal than Fentanyl.

Only exception could be Remifentanyl. It has an extremely high tendency to cause respiratory depression, but it has an elimination half-life of a few minutes. Because of the half-life it is basically useless for safe suicide.

The only thing that could turn an analogue even more deadly, would be one that really dials up the binding affinity to mu-receptors. I know of one analogue (forgot the name sadly) that has a higher binding affinity than Naloxone and Naltrexone. This would mean that both compounds can NOT reverse an overdose and completely negate any chance of being "revived" in case of emergency service arriving and finding you. Only way would be a breather apparatus.

In terms of amplifying the lethality of any opioids, one could use most simply ethanol. Cheap, readily available, OTC, effective, easy to administer. Another more potent alternative would be 2M2B. It's 2-Methylbutan-2-ol and a tertiary alcohol. Tert. alcohols are completely resistant to metabolism and are expelled with breath and urine only. To add to it, 2M2B is extremely potent. A few mL are enough to get you blackout drunk for more than 12 hours. This alcohol would be very effective in a mix.

Benzodiazepines are another option. Pick any really. Flubromazolam for example is potentially lethal at 50-100mg itself, however it weird pharmacokinetics regarding plasma concentrations make it less than ideal in a mix.

Barbiturates are another option.

GHB, Sodium GHB, GBL and 1,4-BDO are also viable highly effective options. Both GBL and 1,4-BDO are metabolized into GHB and atleast in Germany freely available. I would include one as redundancy.

To round off the topic of cocktails and to complete the holy trinity of lethality, one could add carisoprodol to the mix. It is a potent muscle relaxant. People using opioids in combo with benzodiazepines and carisoprodol are orders of magnitude more at risk of dying. It's near impossible to acquire in this day and age though. In my experience Robaxin as an alternative, also really ramped up the respiratory effects when used recreationally with O-DSMT.

I would personally use a mix of atleast GBL and Heroin/Fentanyl. If I can get it in time, I would also add in Bretazenil. If I could acquire it, I would substitute Fentanyl or Heroin with BDPC (Bromadol), which is around 20x more potent BY WEIGHT than Fentanyl. !5mcg! of BDPC are a normal recreational dose and it also has a terrible therapeutic index. I would use GBL orally, Bretazenil rectally and the opioid rectally. This way I cannot puke any opioid or Bretazenil out.

This wraps up my current thoughts on using opioids to CTB.
Do you think Flubromazolam, O-DSMT rectally and alcohol orally beforehand would work? Sadly those are the only things easily obtainable to me.
 

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