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Many people believe that suicide by gunshot to the head carries a high risk of failure. They say, "If you don't hit the brainstem, you might survive blind, paralyzed." They throw around a 90% mortality rate, as if that were an uncertain estimate. But in reality, these statistics say almost nothing. They don't distinguish between caliber, trajectory, barrel depth, entry point. They mix in technical errors, superficial wounds, ricochets, attempted homicides. 67% of gunshots to the head are to the temple. Only 16% are truly intraoral. And yet people keep citing "failures" as if they were common. But what failures are we talking about? The ones where the gun was placed just behind the front teeth? The ones shot under the chin, at an oblique angle? The ones with low-caliber weapons? The ones where the barrel was visibly poorly positioned in postmortem photos? These are not true intraoral shots. They're poorly executed attempts, often driven by fear or misinformation.
A real intraoral shot is something else entirely. When a large-caliber gun—like a .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum—is inserted deep into the mouth, it doesn't need to be precise. There's no need to hit the brainstem. The bullet, the gas pressure, the shockwave, and the thermal explosion destroy everything: the cranial base, nasal sinuses, nervous tissue. No expertise required. Just don't make obvious mistakes. And physics, in this case, is merciless.
The forensic medical chart often cited shows clearly that even without hitting the brainstem, there are brain areas with mortality rates of 80–90%. But more importantly, a close-range shot inside the mouth doesn't just pierce. It pulverizes. It collapses. It devastates.
Some unpublished data come from a collaboration between the Institut de Police Scientifique at the University of Lausanne and the Institut für Rechtsmedizin in Hamburg. A group of students worked on autopsy files of suicide cases by firearm, focusing especially on intraoral shots. Preliminary results confirm what logic already suggests: when the barrel is inserted deeply into the mouth and the caliber is high, lethality approaches 100%, even without hitting the brainstem.
If these so-called failures were really that frequent, there would be evidence. So where are they? Where are the survivor associations? Where are the specialized clinics for people injured by self-inflicted headshots? Where are the documentaries, memoirs, testimonies? It's always the same three or four cases circulating for the last twenty years. Is it really possible that no one else has told their story worldwide? Maybe not—because maybe those cases are the exception, not the rule.
The truth is, those who obsessively push the "failed suicide" narrative aren't doing it out of love for accuracy. They do it to scare. To deter. To keep you alive at all costs. It's the same pro-life narrative that opposes euthanasia, choice, self-determination. One that never asks why you want to die, but instead blackmails you with the fear of surviving in worse conditions.
But reality is different. An intraoral gunshot with a large-caliber weapon, with the barrel truly inserted into the oral cavity, leaves no way out. No skill required. Just don't botch it in the most basic ways. And maybe that's exactly why this truth is hidden, denied, manipulated. Because if it became clear, the whole scaffolding of deterrence would collapse.
If it were really that easy to fail, the world would be full of survivors. Instead, it's full of silence.
And silence, usually, doesn't survive.
 
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Many people believe that suicide by gunshot to the head carries a high risk of failure. They say, "If you don't hit the brainstem, you might survive blind, paralyzed." They throw around a 90% mortality rate, as if that were an uncertain estimate. But in reality, these statistics say almost nothing. They don't distinguish between caliber, trajectory, barrel depth, entry point. They mix in technical errors, superficial wounds, ricochets, attempted homicides. 67% of gunshots to the head are to the temple. Only 16% are truly intraoral. And yet people keep citing "failures" as if they were common. But what failures are we talking about? The ones where the gun was placed just behind the front teeth? The ones shot under the chin, at an oblique angle? The ones with low-caliber weapons? The ones where the barrel was visibly poorly positioned in postmortem photos? These are not true intraoral shots. They're poorly executed attempts, often driven by fear or misinformation.
A real intraoral shot is something else entirely. When a large-caliber gun—like a .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum—is inserted deep into the mouth, it doesn't need to be precise. There's no need to hit the brainstem. The bullet, the gas pressure, the shockwave, and the thermal explosion destroy everything: the cranial base, nasal sinuses, nervous tissue. No expertise required. Just don't make obvious mistakes. And physics, in this case, is merciless.
The forensic medical chart often cited shows clearly that even without hitting the brainstem, there are brain areas with mortality rates of 80–90%. But more importantly, a close-range shot inside the mouth doesn't just pierce. It pulverizes. It collapses. It devastates.
Some unpublished data come from a collaboration between the Institut de Police Scientifique at the University of Lausanne and the Institut für Rechtsmedizin in Hamburg. A group of students worked on autopsy files of suicide cases by firearm, focusing especially on intraoral shots. Preliminary results confirm what logic already suggests: when the barrel is inserted deeply into the mouth and the caliber is high, lethality approaches 100%, even without hitting the brainstem.
If these so-called failures were really that frequent, there would be evidence. So where are they? Where are the survivor associations? Where are the specialized clinics for people injured by self-inflicted headshots? Where are the documentaries, memoirs, testimonies? It's always the same three or four cases circulating for the last twenty years. Is it really possible that no one else has told their story worldwide? Maybe not—because maybe those cases are the exception, not the rule.
The truth is, those who obsessively push the "failed suicide" narrative aren't doing it out of love for accuracy. They do it to scare. To deter. To keep you alive at all costs. It's the same pro-life narrative that opposes euthanasia, choice, self-determination. One that never asks why you want to die, but instead blackmails you with the fear of surviving in worse conditions.
But reality is different. An intraoral gunshot with a large-caliber weapon, with the barrel truly inserted into the oral cavity, leaves no way out. No skill required. Just don't botch it in the most basic ways. And maybe that's exactly why this truth is hidden, denied, manipulated. Because if it became clear, the whole scaffolding of deterrence would collapse.
If it were really that easy to fail, the world would be full of survivors. Instead, it's full of silence.
And silence, usually, doesn't survive.
Thank you for saying this. I agree with you 100%. In 2023 27,000+ people died by suicide using a firearm. If the success rate were really that low that statistic would be much lower. Intraoral with a high caliber firearm seems like a guarantee. For the people who have failed they've used a small caliber firearm and have gone under the chin or through the temple which is less than ideal.
 
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Very well written. There just is no substitute for the truth. And although firearm ctb isn't for everyone, it's still the most effective method when the criteria specified in the OP's post is followed - large caliber gun fired deep in the mouth.
 
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Rifles and shotguns transfer more energy into the head / brain / mouth than handguns. this study showed > 2700 ft pounds energy , every time caused a bursting of the head which of course kills the brainstem and brain instantly. so using a rifle or shotgun inside the mouth would be even more lethal than a handgun. imo it's like an explosion inside the head the brain won't survive the head bursts open . deep inside mouth angled up .

Wounds of high-energy centerfire rifles and shotguns represent distinctive injuries of forensic importance. Previous studies of contact wounds have shown variability in the potential of these weapons to produce bursting wounds of the head. The present study analyzed contact head wounds owing to 26 centerfire rifles and nine shotgun slugs and compared them with respect to weapon, ammunition, entry wound site, and projectile kinetic energy. The bursting effect, defined for this study as disruption of at least 50% of the head, occurred in 25/35 of cases and was related to kinetic energy. Bursting was associated with energies <2700 ft-lbs in 12/22 cases and energies >2700 ft-lbs in 13/13 cases. The volume of gunpowder gas injected into the wound was considered as contributing to the bursting phenomenon. There was no relation of bursting to the specific entrance wound site, type of ammunition, or projectile fragmentation.

 
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