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cosmicporosity

cosmicporosity

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Hey guys!!!

Can someone recommend me some good tents available in the US.
All the tents I've seen have too many vents or have double layers with the first layer having a see through material.(budget friendly tents or i will just buy a regatta malawi)
 
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Hey guys!!!

Can someone recommend me some good tents available in the US.
All the tents I've seen have too many vents or have double layers with the first layer having a see through material.(budget friendly tents or i will just buy a regatta malawi)
Am currently researching this. I want to release Argon in a small tent in an attempt to avoid having to worry about any headgear. Just lay close to the ground where the heavy Argon gas accumulates and should theoretically work similarly to the Sarco (Which uses nitrogen but argon is more available and works just as well. Most important difference is that it is heavier than air, whereas nitrogen is lighter. So argon has more a tendency to pool up near the ground.

I'm actually browsing the tents right now... will return if anything worth sharing comes up.
 
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cosmicporosity

cosmicporosity

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Am currently researching this. I want to release Argon in a small tent in an attempt to avoid having to worry about any headgear. Just lay close to the ground where the heavy Argon gas accumulates and should theoretically work similarly to the Sarco (Which uses nitrogen but argon is more available and works just as well. Most important difference is that it is heavier than air, whereas nitrogen is lighter. So argon has more a tendency to pool up near the ground.

I'm actually browsing the tents right now... will return if anything worth sharing comes up.
Thank you.
I don't know much about inert gases and had no idea they could be used in tents. I plan on using charcoals instead given that it is cheaper and more readily available.

"nightcatNight Cat Backpacking Tent for One 1 to 2 Persons Lightweight Waterproof "
This tent seems reliable but iam not sure about the vents.
 
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don't avoid the void
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Thank you.
I don't know much about inert gases and had no idea they could be used in tents. I plan on using charcoals instead given that it is cheaper and more readily available.
It's not really established.. more just a concept I am looking into.

People exploring inert gas, often seem to get hung up on some detail that caused the exit bag not to inflate properly, or the mask doesn't work right or something. It's the kind of of thing where any small oversight could sabotage the entire plan. I've witnessed threads on this forum, of people going back and forth trying to figure out why their setup isn't working. They seem to have done everything correctly, and end up wasting so much gas on failed tests and troubleshooting, trying to figure out why their setup isn't working the same as everyone else's.

I'm reasonably confident I could build a functioning mask apparatus, but I feel like it's also not aesthetically ideal. It doesn't feel natural to put a bag over one's head. The Sarco is one way to avoid this -- you just just sit in it and breathe -- but due to regulatory hurdles, it is unlikely to be available in my country in my lifetime.

Argon's tendency to settle close to the ground means you should be able to lie down in your sleeping bag, and as long as the tent is well-sealed, and enough argon is released, you would basically pass out in a couple breaths... without having to put on a mask or bag. One question on this would be: how quickly would it dissipate? What exactly amount would the minimum needed for a given interior volume (of the tent or other enclosed chamber.)

One thing that has concerned me about argon, unlike nitrogen, people who had tested their exit bags complained on nausea lasting for a few hours after breathing it. But then today I read that when people inhale argon by accident, they're suggested to breathe while hanging upside down in order to expel the heavier-than-air argon that has settled at the bottom of their lungs. That probably causes nausea or dizziness or headaches if you don't take care of it. So it's not that there's anything toxic about argon. It is just as "inert" as nitrogen in terms of how it (doesn't) react with your body.

But if you are going unconscious and don't plan on waking up again, that is quite immaterial. But I guess if you don't wanna feel gross after testing your setup, stand on your head for 5 minutes. But it seems like potentially the tent and the argon could be the best of both worlds. Personally I think inert gas hypoxia would be the cleanest death experience... maybe I put too much importance on it though. when youre dead, youre dead
 
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Definitely make sure the tent you choose has an attached groundsheet. Usually, the higher water-repellent tents are thicker material. Even if there's a mesh window, you can seal it. Look into "gutter sealant". That stuff is stick beyond belief and can be rolled on with a small roller right over the mesh with a couple coats. Can use it for the seams, too. A tarp thrown over the tent will also help contain the CO, if that's what you're planning. A Malawi has been used successfully before, but it's not that large, which is good and bad. Would need to be careful about knocking over hot buckets of coals.
 
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Definitely make sure the tent you choose has an attached groundsheet. Usually, the higher water-repellent tents are thicker material. Even if there's a mesh window, you can seal it. Look into "gutter sealant". That stuff is stick beyond belief and can be rolled on with a small roller right over the mesh with a couple coats. Can use it for the seams, too. A tarp thrown over the tent will also help contain the CO, if that's what you're planning. A Malawi has been used successfully before, but it's not that large, which is good and bad. Would need to be careful about knocking over hot buckets of coals.
I've seen your responses in other threads, and they've been incredibly helpful for me.

I had the same thought about Malawi, but seeing how successful it has been for others makes me want to buy it.

I'm looking for a tent with a ground sheet and planning to throw a tarp over it. However, the issue is the heat from the coals. It's already hot where I live, and all the insulation will make it difficult to stay inside.
 
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I've seen your responses in other threads, and they've been incredibly helpful for me.

I had the same thought about Malawi, but seeing how successful it has been for others makes me want to buy it.

I'm looking for a tent with a ground sheet and planning to throw a tarp over it. However, the issue is the heat from the coals. It's already hot where I live, and all the insulation will make it difficult to stay inside.
If it's done right, you really should fall unconscious within seconds. That's if you get the CO level high enough. Obviously, without an analyzer that actually measures and reports a CO amount, you can't know for sure. But, others have been successful without a CO analyzer using much cruder setups. I think the guidelines posted in the Megathread are correct. If followed, there shouldn't be any issues. Personally, I'm counting on no issues, too. Frankly, if you're sitting in the tent for more than a minute, and not falling unconscious, GET OUT, because the CO level is not high enough.
 
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If it's done right, you really should fall unconscious within seconds. That's if you get the CO level high enough. Obviously, without an analyzer that actually measures and reports a CO amount, you can't know for sure. But, others have been successful without a CO analyzer using much cruder setups. I think the guidelines posted in the Megathread are correct. If followed, there shouldn't be any issues. Personally, I'm counting on no issues, too. Frankly, if you're sitting in the tent for more than a minute, and not falling unconscious, GET OUT, because the CO level is not high enough.
That's exactly what I'm planning to do. I will be burning atleast 3 to 4 kilos which i think is more than enough for a small 1 person tent. I really hope this method works.
 
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I got a really amazing tent off of the jungle website for camping! It arrived in a few days!!

It's green, very basic and like $40 or something. It has an attached groundsheet, 300mmp or whatever, and the only vent is the door! They also offer one in blue, but it has more vents.

Just in case it rains, I also used a lot of flex seal everywhere and plan on using a tarp over it.

It has proven to be perfect for my camping needs!!

Just sharing my experience!
 
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That's exactly what I'm planning to do. I will be burning atleast 3 to 4 kilos which i think is more than enough for a small 1 person tent. I really hope this method works.
I thought a Malawi Regatta is a 2 person tent? I could be wrong. Sounds like enough, but I don't really know, since haven't done the math.
 
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cosmicporosity

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I thought a Malawi Regatta is a 2 person tent? I could be wrong. Sounds like enough, but I don't really know, since haven't done the math.
It is a two person tent but only one person can fit in comfortably.
 
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In the discussion, it seems we're talking about two entirely different methods here. Inert gas (argon) versus poisonous gas (carbon monoxide). The latter requires very low concentration. The former needs to be 99% over a sustained period. I'm skeptical that even if argon is heavier than nitrogen/oxygen (air), it wouldn't maintain the required concentration long enough, even at the bottom, not without rapid and extended infusion. That being said, it's an interesting idea, but I would focus on mask or bag.
 
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cosmicporosity

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I got a really amazing tent off of the jungle website for camping! It arrived in a few days!!

It's green, very basic and like $40 or something. It has an attached groundsheet, 300mmp or whatever, and the only vent is the door! They also offer one in blue, but it has more vents.

Just in case it rains, I also used a lot of flex seal everywhere and plan on using a tarp over it.

It has proven to be perfect for my camping needs!!

Just sharing my experience!
Is the website called Jungle? I searched it up but couldn't find anything.
 
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