Venting Suicide is never the answer?

[OhWellDerp321]

I am just about fucking done with life.

Fuck off to those who say suicide is never the answer.

Why?

What good does "keep trying" do when you KNOW your life wont get better?

There are 8 billion fucking people on this planet. You're gonna tell me all 8 billion of those people can have happy lives? You're gonna tell me all of those people wont starve and will have access to food?

Honestly it should be up to you. And only you if you want to live or die.

What good does keep trying do if you know you are past the point of return.

There are only three possible paths for this.
1) You end up having to look for other methods to suicide, maybe more painful than before because you are more desparate for a quick exit.
2) You end up homeless due to inability to hold a job. Then you're on the streets drunk begging for money. Society is digusted by homeless people anyways.
3) You end up becoming a theif because you cant afford food or shelter. Then you go to prison. And everyone's tax dollars is wasted on prisons.

I am NOT saying you should do any of those things. But what do you think happens to people when things dont get better but worse?

None of those things are good for anyone. Not for the person themselves or others.

So suicide is never the answer?
You would rather everyone suffer?
You would rather watch someone you know become like this?

 

[Michelstaedter]

Perhaps the idea of not seeing it as an answer is that it is considered a kind of solution to situation X. Everything you say makes sense, because there is a lot of unhappiness, pain, sadness, a struggle for survival, and in the end, that "answer" doesn't even have a question.

How can you stop suffering? How can you live without feeling miserable? How can you cope with pain? How can you avoid feeling depressed about your own or other people's problems? How can you avoid feeling anxious about the things you face every day? Most people will give their opinion, even suggesting "seeking professional help," accepting things as they are, and all sorts of ideas that aren't actually a helpful solution for everyone.
The issue is very complex and has been addressed for thousands of years, but when they say it's not the solution, it's not as if there is another. Even death itself, an absolute truth, has no solution. The result could have been a less materialistic society, closer to nature, more empathetic... A utopia. But in the end, given the ills that afflict us all, there really is no escape. We were born to suffer, and we weren't taught how to stop it. Because even if we could, there will still be misery everywhere, and it will be like covering our eyes to avoid seeing the reality that others live in, or just being in a kind of bubble where we only mentally evade the facts. But they will be there, they will continue to exist.

 

[kimcoffee_]

Yup life is pointless not much else to it really.

 

[FuneralCry]

I really understand feeling so done with existing, I always see so much cruelty in how many wish to force others to be tortured suffering in this existence when they wish to be gone, for me voluntary death would be the way to escape from unnecessary suffering in this existence where I'm just waiting for death anyway. I'd always prefer to peacefully not exist than suffer all for the sake of it in this reality where there is no limit as to how much one can be tortured just to die in agony from old age, it's so horrific to me how there's all this suffering in existing, I'd never wish for any of this, for me non-existence is the only peace.

 

[OhWellDerp321]

I really understand feeling so done with existing, I always see so much cruelty in how many wish to force others to be tortured suffering in this existence when they wish to be gone, for me voluntary death would be the way to escape from unnecessary suffering in this existence where I'm just waiting for death anyway. I'd always prefer to peacefully not exist than suffer all for the sake of it in this reality where there is no limit as to how much one can be tortured just to die in agony from old age, it's so horrific to me how there's all this suffering in existing, I'd never wish for any of this, for me non-existence is the only peace.

Its so hard to explain it to people. They don't get it. It's that you can't be helped. It's not that you can't help me. It's not that change is impossible.

It's that I no longer want to be helped.

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

Suicide is the answer for some. Like for me. I suffer with mental illness and pretty much exhausted all treatment options. When things become hopeless we should have the option to go. Things don't always get better as pro-lifers would have you believe.

 

[OhWellDerp321]

Suicide is the answer for some. Like for me. I suffer with mental illness and pretty much exhausted all treatment options. When things become hopeless we should have the option to go. Things don't always get better as pro-lifers would have you believe.

When pro-lifers tell me things will get better, I always just tell them to bet their life savings on my life getting better.

Then they stay silent. Now when they actually have to put their money where their mouth is, they aren't so confident anymore.

They throw "hope" around without taking any responsibility.

Tell them to go up to a homeless person and tell them "you will find a home and earn a million dollars".
You know why they wouldn't do that? Because they know that's stupid and they will probably get slapped.

Because there is logic to everything. You can't just say things will get better for everyone.
The reason you wouldn't go up to a homeless person to say that is because you know its not logical.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

my suicide asap will always be the answer for me

why do i have to live another minute in this prison hell? why do i have to want to live another minute?

there is no objective reason

so i'm working very hard 15 hours a day a job and chores only to exist under threat of extreme torture all for no reason but to get old

all the above is true even if i didn't know that i'm just cells , chemical reactions, a machine. what possible purpose could chemical reactions have ?

 

[DarknessAtNoon]

Yeah it's a stupid phrase. I work in healthcare and I can assure you that wasting away in a hospital bed as you grow older and more incapacitated is also not the answer.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Suicide Is The Solution

 

[Fall_Apart]

Suicide is always the answer. Whether you are happy or unhappy, there will come a time for everyone when your quality of life is so low (physical illness, mental illness) that it is no longer worth surviving. This is the thought of logical suicide, when you take stock, and realize that there is more suffering than happiness, it is evident that it is convenient to leave immediately rather than having to suffer a death of starvation.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Suicide is always the answer. Whether you are happy or unhappy, there will come a time for everyone when your quality of life is so low (physical illness, mental illness) that it is no longer worth surviving. This is the thought of logical suicide, when you take stock, and realize that there is more suffering than happiness, it is evident that it is convenient to leave immediately rather than having to suffer a death of starvation.

 

[MiraiShisen]

Suicide is the answer for some. Like for me. I suffer with mental illness and pretty much exhausted all treatment options. When things become hopeless we should have the option to go. Things don't always get better as pro-lifers would have you believe.

I wish we as society would have been way more tolerant and uderstanding, why we have to suffer to the bitter end ? Just for pharma to milk last money from us? Even animals are treater better when we know there is no help for them, why should we suffer... It would be great if everyone could just decide to end this journey and leave with best and painless method available. I would not be afraid of dying if I knew I can go peacefully.

 

[_void]

I believe people who say this lack empathy.

 

[OhWellDerp321]

Yeah it's a stupid phrase. I work in healthcare and I can assure you that wasting away in a hospital bed as you grow older and more incapacitated is also not the answer.

Curious to know. What do your co-workers think about suicide? Its often generalized that health care practitioners are all pro-life.
Is that the case? Or is it just because it is taboo to think pro-choice for suicide that they don't speak about their views?

I wish we as society would have been way more tolerant and uderstanding, why we have to suffer to the bitter end ? Just for pharma to milk last money from us? Even animals are treater better when we know there is no help for them, why should we suffer... It would be great if everyone could just decide to end this journey and leave with best and painless method available. I would not be afraid of dying if I knew I can go peacefully.

That's a very good point. Society believes animals should be put down when suffering. But not us when it comes to mental health?

An animal can never really communicate if they want to go or not. You can assume. But your dog can't talk.
You just assume because you don't want to see them suffer.

But when it comes to humans? We are completely capable of communicating. Yet we can't be offered euthanasia?

 

[twilightSparriw]

Yes there's all that suffering and all that pain and aging and people being this and that but when you happen to fall in love with a person who sees you as you are and returns love… all if a sudden there's a flowershop and the scent of fragrance and sweet words and a true connection and so much to live for… also when my cat is purring on my lap i feel sort of temporary worthy… by the way i am here because mainly i'm obsessed about love and lost the love of my life… so that is that. Suicide is a great relief and also a certainty of never falling in love again or be a cat amongst cats…

 

[OhWellDerp321]

Yes there's all that suffering and all that pain and aging and people being this and that but when you happen to fall in love with a person who sees you as you are and returns love… all if a sudden there's a flowershop and the scent of fragrance and sweet words and a true connection and so much to live for… also when my cat is purring on my lap i feel sort of temporary worthy… by the way i am here because mainly i'm obsessed about love and lost the love of my life… so that is that. Suicide is a great relief and also a certainty of never falling in love again or be a cat amongst cats…

That's on the assumption that everyone can find love. Not everyone can or wants to.
Even if they do, there isn't a "flowershop and the scent of fragrance" for everyone.
For some, once they are past the "dating" stage, it becomes very hard to maintain a relationship. Why? Because they have never been an healthy one. Therefore they can't communicate properly.

These people end up going through short term relationships and can't settle with a partner.

So no. Love does not fix everything for everyone.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Yes there's all that suffering and all that pain and aging and people being this and that but when you happen to fall in love with a person who sees you as you are and returns love… all if a sudden there's a flowershop and the scent of fragrance and sweet words and a true connection and so much to live for… also when my cat is purring on my lap i feel sort of temporary worthy… by the way i am here because mainly i'm obsessed about love and lost the love of my life… so that is that. Suicide is a great relief and also a certainty of never falling in love again or be a cat amongst cats…

That might mean something to you but not to me

Love , anything u mentioned is meaningless to me. I will never need nor want any of that

Anything that might be a pleasurable addiction is only bait for the most extreme pain and torture

People assume many things are objective facts of life for example:" you need a romantic partner or romantic love", life is good , Death is bad

None of those are Objective facts but just lies

Why do I have to get a gf, romantic love?

I don't

Why do I have to live another minute?

I don't

Why is life good? It isn't

 

[brokeandbroken]

Perhaps the idea of not seeing it as an answer is that it is considered a kind of solution to situation X. Everything you say makes sense, because there is a lot of unhappiness, pain, sadness, a struggle for survival, and in the end, that "answer" doesn't even have a question.

How can you stop suffering? How can you live without feeling miserable? How can you cope with pain? How can you avoid feeling depressed about your own or other people's problems? How can you avoid feeling anxious about the things you face every day? Most people will give their opinion, even suggesting "seeking professional help," accepting things as they are, and all sorts of ideas that aren't actually a helpful solution for everyone.
The issue is very complex and has been addressed for thousands of years, but when they say it's not the solution, it's not as if there is another. Even death itself, an absolute truth, has no solution. The result could have been a less materialistic society, closer to nature, more empathetic... A utopia. But in the end, given the ills that afflict us all, there really is no escape. We were born to suffer, and we weren't taught how to stop it. Because even if we could, there will still be misery everywhere, and it will be like covering our eyes to avoid seeing the reality that others live in, or just being in a kind of bubble where we only mentally evade the facts. But they will be there, they will continue to exist.

The question isn't if suicide is the answer or not. On some level people understand in some cases it absolutely is a solution and they just look the other way. It's very obviously a spectrum.

Take 9/11. People jumped from the twin towers knowingly to their deaths. Sorry but no matter how you slice it that's suicide. Are there extenuating factors of course. But id imagine most people who commit suicide have extenuating factors. You jump from the golden gate bridge or want to you'll have a doctor running after you with a needle. Yet with the towers people's response isn't wow wish a doctor was up there to inject them anti-psychotics maybe they could be saved! Was it hordes of doctors who were marching up the stairs with drugs or was it firemen to put out the fire? When they died it was wow mental illness is tragic. Or was it wow it must have been hell up there for them to do that? I'm sure at least one probably had a diagnosable mental health condition. Yet the New york medical examiners office literally admonished people saying they were "forced out". Which is it were they profoundly mentally ill or were they forced into it? If people saw suicide as fixable problems versus as ethreal handwavy notion that mental illness is mental illness and things are unfixable but here's some pills. You would save people.

People are unwilling to admit from the safety, happiness, and just generality of their life that people's lifes could be so miserable that they would commit suicide. The simple fact is sometimes the flames and heat are invisible. And even scarier a lot of those people have pretty good lives and they are miserable but for them it's tolerable. Some have lifes with heat that is lukewarm and others are a blazing inferno pushing you to your death.

The ugly reality is it's a gray area mixed in subjective experiences and that's really really difficult to sift through. So much easier to throw some pills at you that at best will render you basically catatonic, rip time from you, remove rights from you, and do absolutely nothing but hope the passage of time magically fixes the problem or it becomes someone elses. At worse you do all of that and the person dies.

Now is there times where this doesn't hold true and people aren't living in reality. Sure thing. In that case yeah pharmaceutical intervention may need to be sought. But being suicidal alone doesn't mean that. Yet you absolutely are treated like you are out of your mind if you feel that way.

Psychiatry as a whole has gotten away with throwing pills at problems that don't need pills under the guise of being too busy or the field hasn't advanced enough. The reality is they are just too lazy to actually solve the problems the could actually save people. Is like gee thanks for these pills but you got a fire extinguisher?

 

[Soontocatch]

The way you have written it,life is ofc not gonna be full of happiness,if it were to be things would start feeling stagnant.The thought of everything happening just like you imagined,although feels good I feel like would take way the fun of living life.The whole point of living is adapting and accepting the situation you are in and facing it.Everyone will face ups and downs that's the balance of life.Besides we don't know if suicide is really the answer cuz we don't know what's on the other side.It might be worse or might be better just like how life is.Eventually everything comes down to you accepting your surroundings either in life or death.Ultimately if you want to live then live if not die there's really no point in thinking too much about this.
But I do agree with the part where every person should get a choice between living and choosing to die

 

[twilightSparriw]

That might mean something to you but not to me

Love , anything u mentioned is meaningless to me. I will never need nor want any of that

Anything that might be a pleasurable addiction is only bait for the most extreme pain and torture

People assume many things are objective facts of life for example:" you need a romantic partner or romantic love", life is good , Death is bad

None of those are Objective facts but just lies

Why do I have to get a gf, romantic love?

I don't

Why do I have to live another minute?

I don't

Not objective facts, but not 'lies' as well… but indeed, some don't want nothing more than not be existing and i know that feeling all too well…

 

[danzk2005]

I am just about fucking done with life.

Fuck off to those who say suicide is never the answer.

Why?

What good does "keep trying" do when you KNOW your life wont get better?

There are 8 billion fucking people on this planet. You're gonna tell me all 8 billion of those people can have happy lives? You're gonna tell me all of those people wont starve and will have access to food?

Honestly it should be up to you. And only you if you want to live or die.

What good does keep trying do if you know you are past the point of return.

There are only three possible paths for this.
1) You end up having to look for other methods to suicide, maybe more painful than before because you are more desparate for a quick exit.
2) You end up homeless due to inability to hold a job. Then you're on the streets drunk begging for money. Society is digusted by homeless people anyways.
3) You end up becoming a theif because you cant afford food or shelter. Then you go to prison. And everyone's tax dollars is wasted on prisons.

I am NOT saying you should do any of those things. But what do you think happens to people when things dont get better but worse?

None of those things are good for anyone. Not for the person themselves or others.

So suicide is never the answer?
You would rather everyone suffer?
You would rather watch someone you know become like this?

i agree

 

[OhWellDerp321]

The way you have written it,life is ofc not gonna be full of happiness,if it were to be things would start feeling stagnant.The thought of everything happening just like you imagined,although feels good I feel like would take way the fun of living life.The whole point of living is adapting and accepting the situation you are in and facing it.Everyone will face ups and downs that's the balance of life.Besides we don't know if suicide is really the answer cuz we don't know what's on the other side.It might be worse or might be better just like how life is.Eventually everything comes down to you accepting your surroundings either in life or death.Ultimately if you want to live then live if not die there's really no point in thinking too much about this.
But I do agree with the part where every person should get a choice between living and choosing to die

If you are just going through a stage, that's different. I am talking about for people who's lives are truly messed up beyond repair.

For some people. There is a point of no return. Its not a matter of "fun".
You could say things could get better, or things could get worse.
No one really knows. But only that person knows themselves best. And if they know their life is already so messed up beyond the point of repair, then they should be able to choose to ctb.

And no life is not about accepting situation you are in and facing it. If you are past the point of no return, it most likely won;t get better from there. You have to apply logic to it. Again, you wouldn't tell a homeless person to "face it" and accept it. You wouldn't tell a starving kid "face it" and accept it. You think those people care about the "fun of living life"? No.

Also about "not knowing whats on the other side". That only applies if you believe in an afterlife.

 

[twilightSparriw]

Suicide is the answer for some. Like for me. I suffer with mental illness and pretty much exhausted all treatment options. When things become hopeless we should have the option to go. Things don't always get better as pro-lifers would have you believe.

We can leave whenever we wanna leave right? Can't make everyone happy all the time

 

[divinemistress36]

The way you have written it,life is ofc not gonna be full of happiness,if it were to be things would start feeling stagnant.The thought of everything happening just like you imagined,although feels good I feel like would take way the fun of living life.The whole point of living is adapting and accepting the situation you are in and facing it.Everyone will face ups and downs that's the balance of life.Besides we don't know if suicide is really the answer cuz we don't know what's on the other side.It might be worse or might be better just like how life is.Eventually everything comes down to you accepting your surroundings either in life or death.Ultimately if you want to live then live if not die there's really no point in thinking too much about this.
But I do agree with the part where every person should get a choice between living and choosing to die

Some of us dont get ups though

 

[Soontocatch]

Some of us dont get ups though

Hearing you guys out makes me feel like my reason for ctb is so stupid.I am really sorry for whatever your going through in life.Hopefully you find peace in whatever you plan to do.

If you are just going through a stage, that's different. I am talking about for people who's lives are truly messed up beyond repair.

For some people. There is a point of no return. Its not a matter of "fun".
You could say things could get better, or things could get worse.
No one really knows. But only that person knows themselves best. And if they know their life is already so messed up beyond the point of repair, then they should be able to choose to ctb.

And no life is not about accepting situation you are in and facing it. If you are past the point of no return, it most likely won;t get better from there. You have to apply logic to it. Again, you wouldn't tell a homeless person to "face it" and accept it. You wouldn't tell a starving kid "face it" and accept it. You think those people care about the "fun of living life"? No.

Also about "not knowing whats on the other side". That only applies if you believe in an afterlife.

I totally misunderstood you after reading through your initial writing,my bad.But I do agree with you that when a person has reached that point it is better for himself to end it all rather than force himself to live through knowing it won't get any better.