Venting Suicide can't be both "selfish" and a "mistake"

[Siagos]

If all suicides are "tragic mistakes", then how can it be claimed that a person who commits suicide acted selfishly? Clearly, if it's a mistake, then it's a mistake whose primary victim is the one whose supposedly "precious" life has been sacrificed, not the grieving loved ones - unless they decide to take their own life in turn, in which case they can hardly complain. So really, whenever someone condemns suicide as selfish, what they really mean to say is that suicide is an extraordinarily unselfish act carried out on the misguided assumption that it is "for the best". In other words, the person was trying to be selfish but failed spectacularly.

And so what if suicide is done for one's own sake? If we're being honest, most of what we do we do for ourselves. How is deciding to end one's suffering at the price of another's (probably less intense) suffering any different than, say, deciding to go to a movie instead of donating that money to some starving child in Africa? Yes, most people who kill themselves do so in order to alleviate their own suffering and don't expect anyone else to be better off as a result, and are thus "selfish", but that's fine, because if they were alive they'd still be acting "selfishly" just like the rest of people in society, but in a different way.

So yes, suicide is selfish, but if the only reason you can give someone to stick around is that you'll miss them, you are too. That's okay, but don't expect them to take it too seriously.

 

[ShadowOfTheDay]

If all suicides are "tragic mistakes", then how can it be claimed that a person who commits suicide acted selfishly? Clearly, if it's a mistake, then it's a mistake whose primary victim is the one whose supposedly "precious" life has been sacrificed, not the grieving loved ones - unless they decide to take their own life in turn, in which case they can hardly complain. So really, whenever someone condemns suicide as selfish, what they really mean to say is that suicide is an extraordinarily unselfish act carried out on the misguided assumption that it is "for the best". In other words, the person was trying to be selfish but failed spectacularly.

And so what if suicide is done for one's own sake? If we're being honest, most of what we do we do for ourselves. How is deciding to end one's suffering at the price of another's (probably less intense) suffering any different than, say, deciding to go to a movie instead of donating that money to some starving child in Africa? Yes, most people who kill themselves do so in order to alleviate their own suffering and don't expect anyone else to be better off as a result, and are thus "selfish", but that's fine, because if they were alive they'd still be acting "selfishly" just like the rest of people in society, but in a different way.

So yes, suicide is selfish, but if the only reason you can give someone to stick around is that you'll miss them, you are too. That's okay, but don't expect them to take it too seriously.

I love this.

 

[Wanderer_with_Death]

Death is a mercy to suffering, its why being "immortal" is such a curse. You could have a cave or building topple on top of you and you wouldn't be able to die from that, a purgatory and forever grave as the world carries on without knowing.

Perception is key into this "realm of reality" our corporal bodies are bound to. You can't control what anyone thinks/feels, Western Culture especially never teaches the act of self love but instead holds onto a standard that putting everyone else before yourself is "right". When in reality, taking care of yourself first is far from selfish.

I personally feel it is an individual's right to determine what is best for them in the end, its not selfish to take care of yourself, even if it is to embrace Death.
I do advise however, that you try and exhaust all opportunities and efforts to reach out and try and find a way to continue if possible, if you succeed in becoming a corpse you can't take that back, so its always good to make sure you're fully ready/willing/accepting of such.

 

[Donewitheverything]

It's funny, though. No one chooses to be alive in the first place and yet supposedly no one is allowed to choose if they want to stop being alive. Sure it's "selfish" to end one's own life, but our existence is likely caused by selfish thoughts and acts, as well. Being selfish isn't inherently a bad thing and more people need to realize that.

 

[TAW122]

Exactly. I agree with your logic. In fact, this is an example of society being hypocritical, not allowing the suicidal to suicide because it would hurt their feelings and interests, yet they don't care about the suicidal's feelings. It's always about "them" which is bullshit.

 

[Tally]

Who is saying suicides are "tragic mistakes"? I've never heard that.

 

[Divine Trinity]

If all suicides are "tragic mistakes", then how can it be claimed that a person who commits suicide acted selfishly? Clearly, if it's a mistake, then it's a mistake whose primary victim is the one whose supposedly "precious" life has been sacrificed, not the grieving loved ones - unless they decide to take their own life in turn, in which case they can hardly complain. So really, whenever someone condemns suicide as selfish, what they really mean to say is that suicide is an extraordinarily unselfish act carried out on the misguided assumption that it is "for the best". In other words, the person was trying to be selfish but failed spectacularly.

And so what if suicide is done for one's own sake? If we're being honest, most of what we do we do for ourselves. How is deciding to end one's suffering at the price of another's (probably less intense) suffering any different than, say, deciding to go to a movie instead of donating that money to some starving child in Africa? Yes, most people who kill themselves do so in order to alleviate their own suffering and don't expect anyone else to be better off as a result, and are thus "selfish", but that's fine, because if they were alive they'd still be acting "selfishly" just like the rest of people in society, but in a different way.

So yes, suicide is selfish, but if the only reason you can give someone to stick around is that you'll miss them, you are too. That's okay, but don't expect them to take it too seriously.

Just like how a blind newborn will never grasp the concept of sight, the non-suicidal can't grasp the concept of suicide. Of course western culture never had respect for nature anyways, so they'll intervene in things they don't have a clue about.

Self-interest and selfishness are some of the most useless words in the english language. A gear rotating is selfish, in that natural forces compel it to react in a certain way. Does that gear stop to consider the feelings of the ant it's about to crush by doing so? Are we not compelled to react to natural forces? If so, why is our behavior in fixed environments predictable?

An example of the lack of coherent thought when normies react to suicide, it's all projections of their fears and insecurities.

 

[Tally]

An example of the lack of coherent thought when normies react to suicide, it's all projections of their fears and insecurities.

Sorry, but I'd add compassion and love over fears and insecurities. As I said previously, maybe "normies" can't understand suicide, but perhaps we have to consider that suicidal people cannot understand how "normies" feel.

 

[Divine Trinity]

Sorry, but I'd add compassion and love over fears and insecurities. As I said previously, maybe "normies" can't understand suicide, but perhaps we have to consider that suicidal people cannot understand how "normies" feel.

Then you'd be assuming certain people are borne suicidal, which there's at best, a lack of evidence supporting that assertion.

Compassion is defined by "sympathetic awareness". Sympathy: mutual or parallel susceptibility or a condition brought about by it. By definition they are not compassionate or understanding, they may grieve, but that's about it. "Love" in it's common usage is essentially dependancy or attraction, in which case they're reacting to a fear of loss.

If people truly cared, the suicidal person would not be suicidal. Once that sense of infatution and/or dependancy subsides, you're on your own. I suppose if they had sympathy, there'd be a process for assisted suicide instead of drugs, platitudes, and a trip to the looney bin/tent city.

Believe what you want, but it sounds like wishful thinking to me.

 

[Tally]

Then you'd be assuming certain people are borne suicidal, which there's at best, a lack of evidence supporting that assertion.

How in any way, could you get that assumption from what I've said?

 

[Deadgirl]

If all suicides are "tragic mistakes", then how can it be claimed that a person who commits suicide acted selfishly? Clearly, if it's a mistake, then it's a mistake whose primary victim is the one whose supposedly "precious" life has been sacrificed, not the grieving loved ones - unless they decide to take their own life in turn, in which case they can hardly complain. So really, whenever someone condemns suicide as selfish, what they really mean to say is that suicide is an extraordinarily unselfish act carried out on the misguided assumption that it is "for the best". In other words, the person was trying to be selfish but failed spectacularly.

And so what if suicide is done for one's own sake? If we're being honest, most of what we do we do for ourselves. How is deciding to end one's suffering at the price of another's (probably less intense) suffering any different than, say, deciding to go to a movie instead of donating that money to some starving child in Africa? Yes, most people who kill themselves do so in order to alleviate their own suffering and don't expect anyone else to be better off as a result, and are thus "selfish", but that's fine, because if they were alive they'd still be acting "selfishly" just like the rest of people in society, but in a different way.

So yes, suicide is selfish, but if the only reason you can give someone to stick around is that you'll miss them, you are too. That's okay, but don't expect them to take it too seriously.

Well put!

If people truly cared, the suicidal person would not be suicidal.

This is very accurate. We can prevent people from becoming suicidal but the moment they are they are stuck in endless cycles.