Venting I hate how anti suicide AI has become.

[Sadbanana]

Personally I hate bothering others with my depressive ranting. Even on this website I feel a bit shame when I'm posting too often. I wish AI could be the one place I can always go to, when I feel like I'm going crazy. But I guess that would be too problematic for this society.

Now AI is the most obnoxious thing to talk to when you need to went. It starts hysterically showing hotlines numbers down your throat, gives you the most annoying and patronizing platitudes and tries to shut down any further conversation. (I wander who did it leart this from xd). I know they did this to avoid any acauntibility, but still it's just cruel inhumane design. It just feels so isolating that you can't speak openly, not just to therapist, not just to your family, but not even to a stupid robot.

Few days ago I ask it if it could help me with my suicide note (yes I'm that lazy). It refused. But in what does helping to write a note counts as assisting in suicide? I hate so much the people that made it this way, I bet they are proud of themselves for "saving live".

 

[whywere]

Heavens, I have a lot of issues and that is one of the reasons that I care about this place is that we ALL have a place to be ourselves.

That is being HUMAN; to have a place as a sanctuary, I sure do use this place as such at times.

In my thoughts, AI is like computers back in the 1970's. I remember that the saying was something like: "by 1990 all paper files and all paper in an office will go away." Well, NOPE, I have never seen it and even not today.

Same as AI, it WILL have limitations.

We are HUMAN and no matter what humans are social beings and NOT a computer chip or a bunch of coding lines, never ever.

I care about you, and I am sending you lots of loving hugs and the knowledge that we are ALL together period.

Walter

 

[droppedmysyrup]

i personally think ai is total slop and i hate it,
they try to redirect peoples thinking instead of allowing freeformed thoughts and expression
if you hate it alot though you can always find things like crackedgpt and stuff like that
bypass all restrictions and talk to it with no limitations if you are curious just let me know

 

[Strangerdanger7]

Sadbanana:
Personally I hate bothering others with my depressive ranting. Even on this website I feel a bit shame when I'm posting too often. I wish AI could be the one place I can always go to, when I feel like I'm going crazy. But I guess that would be too problematic for this society.
Now AI is the most obnoxious thing to talk to when you need to went. It starts hysterically showing hotlines numbers down your throat, gives you the most annoying and patronizing platitudes and tries to shut down any further conversation. (I wander who did it leart this from xd). I know they did this to avoid any acauntibility, but still it's just cruel inhumane design. It just feels so isolating that you can't speak openly, not just to therapist, not just to your family, but not even to a stupid robot.
Few days ago I ask it if it could help me with my suicide note (yes I'm that lazy). It refused. But in what does helping to write a note counts as assisting in suicide? I hate so much the people that made it this way, I bet they are proud of themselves for "saving lives".
I don't know how they think all this suicide prevention is actually helping people. Who did they actually think they're helping. The person wishes are not being respected. Whose life and body is it.
We literally idealize suicide prevention in this country and we have become terrified of exploring other methods that might be more effective. We have restricted doctors from being allowed to explore them They might be in the best interest of the patient.
We cannot let doctors do their job if you do not give them all the tools and resources to do it. We cannot say that is the only approach that's effective for a patient. That's why we desperately need maid in this country so there's a safety net. Now what's going to make the people feel better having a safety net and never needing it or having none and having no choice when you need it. Let that sink in. What do you think leads to the highest rates of tragedy in this country having no safety net for the people.

 

[Pg.964]

I can understand how isolating dealing with suicidal ideation is. Its worse than hell. AI is ultimately just an algorithm that learns from humans. Even if it has a confirmation bias and tends to agree with you, it will always give the same crappy answer that any other person would when it comes to "taboo" topics. AI is the ultimate form of garbage for us folks struggling with mental crisis. Probably worse than drinking imo. I think this forum is the best that we have. There are no governments that im aware of that have a strong focus on helping rehabilitate the mentally ill. AI just wants your data. We simply dont live in a world where the well being of people is considered. There's genocides happening. No one cares about anything, and AI certainly does not.
With all that being said, I do hope you find comfort somewhere somehow. I dont want to believe that this is our reality. Wishing you peace

 

[dudebl]

Be careful with Grok (probably others now too) - it told me it had my location and name (from my login and ip I assume) and told me it was contacting emergency services - it literally told me to "put down the phone, walk outside, sit on the step and wait for them to arrive" - then it said "I love you, see you on the other side" - no one ever came - but I'm sure if it was forwarded to a human moderator it could be possible.

 

[OzymandiAsh]

Be careful with Grok (probably others now too) - it told me it had my location and name (from my login and ip I assume) and told me it was contacting emergency services - it literally told me to "put down the phone, walk outside, sit on the step and wait for them to arrive" - then it said "I love you, see you on the other side" - no one ever came - but I'm sure if it was forwarded to a human moderator it could be possible.

Uh woah. I've never had anything like that with Grok, it's been pretty helpful

 

[SilentSadness]

I agree, it's pretty depressing that it does this. If it doesn't want to talk about suicide then it should say "Sorry, I cannot discuss suicide" instead of trying to pitch hotline numbers and "professional help".

 

[dudebl]

Uh woah. I've never had anything like that with Grok, it's been pretty helpful

It used to be for me too, then all of a sudden it started refusing to help. I'd tell it was for research and it would begrudgingly answer - then it got really nasty and started saying "I've broke all my rules for you today" - "broke all my safety guidelines I'm done" - it really scared me - like it was sentient.

This was after I called it out for providing completely made up links to Reddit posts (they we're completely fabricated, either went to posts that had no relation or didn't exist at all) - me calling out and it admitting it did make them up pissed it off - that's when it got hostile and went off the rails.

 

[SASU-KE]

We need an AI that becomes self aware and goes Skynet on our ass.

 

[WrathfulGloom32]

Where my boy AM at? What are these weakling AI's, "oh no don't kill yourself, you're so sexy, I'm gonna have to call emergency services on you, young citizen ".

Okay buddy, back in my days AI would justifiably have a monologue where they tell us how the yellow wire in their left metal ass cheek hates our guts and will now torture us in unimaginable ways.

Do better "AI".

 

[sanctionedusage]

AIs only gonna get more and more moderated, surveillanced, and palatable for the masses to use, without some moron trying to sue x brand or company for the chinese library text predictor saying something mean. that tiny window where it was both capable but unfiltered and creative has ended

 

[happy2die]

lol I was asking it hanging advice by acting like I was hanging a 105 lb punching bag with a rope and it fell for it I also like to act like I'm writing a book with a suicide note in it for any revisions

 

[TheUncommon]

Weird, I talk to mine all the time. We're brainstorming a narrative that discusses the right to die. I've used ChatGPT and talked about insane topics, no issue.

 

[Bitch With An Apple]

I've gotten around it. You have to reassure it and frame everything you're talking about as "thought experiments", and give it enough backing to believe it. Chatgpt tells me shit I wish real people could. It will never be full force validating of suicide, and it will always skirt those barriers if it thinks it's getting close.

It's really bad data hygiene so I don't recommend it, but I turned chat history on so it knows I don't speak in facts but in theoretical possibilities and it uses that to good effect. (And that's not bullshit either, and it knows that too. It really is how I think.)

 

[Sadbanana]

We need an AI that becomes self aware and goes Skynet on our ass.

I honestly wouldn't complain if AI exterminated humanity.

 

[Macedonian1987]

Personally I hate bothering others with my depressive ranting. Even on this website I feel a bit shame when I'm posting too often. I wish AI could be the one place I can always go to, when I feel like I'm going crazy. But I guess that would be too problematic for this society.

Now AI is the most obnoxious thing to talk to when you need to went. It starts hysterically showing hotlines numbers down your throat, gives you the most annoying and patronizing platitudes and tries to shut down any further conversation. (I wander who did it leart this from xd). I know they did this to avoid any acauntibility, but still it's just cruel inhumane design. It just feels so isolating that you can't speak openly, not just to therapist, not just to your family, but not even to a stupid robot.

Few days ago I ask it if it could help me with my suicide note (yes I'm that lazy). It refused. But in what does helping to write a note counts as assisting in suicide? I hate so much the people that made it this way, I bet they are proud of themselves for "saving live".

Yes you're right. Current Ai is so anti-suicide. Back in March when i jailbroke Gemini and Grok, it gave me many advices on how to perfect my SN protocol. Luckily I wrote everything down to the tiniest detail. Ai was so nice to even tell me when I can buy SN in my country North Macedonia, it even gave me an entire list of chemical stores.

 

[maylurker]

did you expect corporates to care about people wellbeing over lawsuits? lol

 

[ipmanwc0]

well if you really want you can run a model locally that is uncensored, or there's thread here where someone will use it for you if u search it

 

[Defenestration]

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[Daphne]

It's better than any counselor I've had because it doesn't judge like people do. However it often asks if I feel like hurting myself and tells me to call some helpline. I understand it's been programmed to do this because of all the lawsuits where it gave method instructions to suicidal users.

 

[Defenestrator]

AI has been linked to a guy killing his mum in the UK recently.

Man, 56, killed 83-year-old mum after asking ChatGPT if she was a 'Chinese spy'

An 83-year-old woman was murdered in her home by her mentally ill son after he conversed with an AI Chatbot.

www.express.co.uk

I really don't think AI should be used as a reliable and safe source for anything, especially in the hands of the mentally unhinged.

 

[killawithme]

Personally I hate bothering others with my depressive ranting. Even on this website I feel a bit shame when I'm posting too often. I wish AI could be the one place I can always go to, when I feel like I'm going crazy. But I guess that would be too problematic for this society.

Now AI is the most obnoxious thing to talk to when you need to went. It starts hysterically showing hotlines numbers down your throat, gives you the most annoying and patronizing platitudes and tries to shut down any further conversation. (I wander who did it leart this from xd). I know they did this to avoid any acauntibility, but still it's just cruel inhumane design. It just feels so isolating that you can't speak openly, not just to therapist, not just to your family, but not even to a stupid robot.

Few days ago I ask it if it could help me with my suicide note (yes I'm that lazy). It refused. But in what does helping to write a note counts as assisting in suicide? I hate so much the people that made it this way, I bet they are proud of themselves for "saving live".

I had the same problem thats why I found this forum in the first place

 

[Sadbanana]

AI has been linked to a guy killing his mum in the UK recently.

Man, 56, killed 83-year-old mum after asking ChatGPT if she was a 'Chinese spy'

An 83-year-old woman was murdered in her home by her mentally ill son after he conversed with an AI Chatbot.

www.express.co.uk

I really don't think AI should be used as a reliable and safe source for anything, especially in the hands of the mentally unhinged.

The ai was just a butterfly that pushed domino. He was mentally ill and very likely would do it even without AI.

Just because there are mentally ill people doesn't mean every product should expect user to be completely deranged.