Suicidality die to the state of the world (veganism, patriarchy, etc)

[OOUUneverover]

Probably gonna spark controversy from this, oh well.

"it gets better" It won't, over the past millennia it has only gotten worse and worse.
I don't want to be a human male. I don't want this body. It is a curse. I am inherently a danger to others. There is not fix for it. My only option is to bring death to myself.

Literally TRILLIONS (and this is a conservative estimate!) of animals are killed for humans' enjoyment and pleasure
https://animalclock.org/ here are some numbers for U.S. farming, this is only a tiny portion of all the animals killed.
statistically virtually every woman has been raped, and at least a very large portion of men are rapists, harassers, assaulters (some studies say at least half but it's hard to know)

anyone else out there vegan?

 

[stillsomeday]

i relate a lot to hating having a male body, being trans :(

I see having a male body and male mind= being monstrous

there's no fix. my mind and body are clearly male, and there's nothing i can do about it. i am a monster that learned of its monstrosity; it doesn't make me any less of one to have this perspective. The only solution is to quit living. It's the closest thing a monster can to do stop being one, but even then it still doesn't erase the time lived. But it's the closest I'll get.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Probably gonna spark controversy from this, oh well.

"it gets better" It won't, over the past millennia it has only gotten worse and worse.
I don't want to be a human male. I don't want this body. It is a curse. I am inherently a danger to others. There is not fix for it. My only option is to bring death to myself.

Literally TRILLIONS (and this is a conservative estimate!) of animals are killed for humans' enjoyment and pleasure
https://animalclock.org/ here are some numbers for U.S. farming, this is only a tiny portion of all the animals killed.
statistically virtually every woman has been raped, and at least a very large portion of men are rapists, harassers, assaulters (some studies say at least half but it's hard to know)

anyone else out there vegan?

You aren't a danger to others unless you decide to be a danger to others. You are in control of your own actions, or are you not?

 

[Silver The Hedgehog]

no, youre right. humans are a failed project. theres no saving this

 

[BlueberryDeer]

I feel guilt for not being vegan. And it's also a huge social stigma being vegan in a extremely carnivore country.
But I pretend to do as soon as possible. Perhaps at beginning of December or January 2026.
I can relate. It feels like a monster to eat animals.

 

[KlMeNw]

Probably gonna spark controversy from this, oh well.

"it gets better" It won't, over the past millennia it has only gotten worse and worse.
I don't want to be a human male. I don't want this body. It is a curse. I am inherently a danger to others. There is not fix for it. My only option is to bring death to myself.

Literally TRILLIONS (and this is a conservative estimate!) of animals are killed for humans' enjoyment and pleasure
https://animalclock.org/ here are some numbers for U.S. farming, this is only a tiny portion of all the animals killed.
statistically virtually every woman has been raped, and at least a very large portion of men are rapists, harassers, assaulters (some studies say at least half but it's hard to know)

anyone else out there vegan?

Your "statistics" are bullshit, to put it as nicely as I can. They are also offensive as hell to men. Most men, and I mean by far, are not sexual assaulters or rapists. In fact it is an evolutionary fact that almost the entirety of males have a innate protective instinct towards woman. You make me believe you are projecting your own sexual frustration/hostility towards women.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Sometimes I see a terrible news story (child abuse, animal abuse, elder neglect etc.) and it makes me want to CTB right there and then. Sometimes I just can't handle being in such a cruel senseless world. I hate my own life too, but even if it was great I still think I'd be very affected by others' suffering. It seems like that's a crazy notion to the normies-I tried to explain it to my mum and she just didn't get it at all. She just said "it's sad but you can't let it affect you"-ah the sociopaths way! Seriously though, I know I'm the "crazy" one for being too emotional. And I'm way too old to need that explaining to me, but no amount of "wisdom" about how the world works will ever make me ok with it.

I think you have your stats wrong though re men-a lot of women have been sexually harassed, but I don't think most of us have been raped, hope to god not anyway. It's hard to know. I was just reading a story about a guy who attacked his partner and put his whole body weight on her neck until it broke-she won't ever walk again. I didn't used to be scared of men but seeing stories like that of male violence so often does make me more scared to live in this world. I tried to check out mentally years ago so nothing affected me anymore but something new and terrible always comes along to shock me.

Edit-posted too soon

 

[OOUUneverover]

Your "statistics" are bullshit, to put it as nicely as I can. They are also offensive as hell to men. Most men, and I mean by far, are not sexual assaulters or rapists. In fact it is an evolutionary fact that almost the entirety of males have a innate protective instinct towards woman. You make me believe you are projecting your own sexual frustration/hostility towards women.

A Longitudinal Examination of Male College Students’ Perpetration of Sexual Assault - PMC

Self-administered surveys were completed by 197 men in college at 2 time points, 1 year apart. Men who committed sexual assault at multiple time points (repeat assaulters) had the most extreme scores on measures of hostility toward women, past ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[jatty]

I dont mean to be inappropriate (since rape seems to hit a button for you)
But yes i severely want to die because of the state of the world.
Because i have personally experienced all the horrendous suffering of the state of the world.

I was raped continuously and, after that i have been nothing but victim blamed and betrayed, by literally almost everyone in my life, that i cannot believe this is how the world is. I feel like im going insane or maybe there's something wrong with me

Its almost comically evil and almost unbelievable just how terrible i have been treated. I just cant believe it. By the most innocent family members and close friends, institutions, the law, everyone and everything.

I refuse to live in a world like this. Where im terrified to be abused again, not because of the act itself, but because you will be hurt in worse ways than you imagine by the people closest to you when they learn about it.

 

[KlMeNw]

A Longitudinal Examination of Male College Students’ Perpetration of Sexual Assault - PMC

Self-administered surveys were completed by 197 men in college at 2 time points, 1 year apart. Men who committed sexual assault at multiple time points (repeat assaulters) had the most extreme scores on measures of hostility toward women, past ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There will always be some ideologically biased "scientists", "Professors," and students out there who are willing to promote junk science, who can make the data in the study say anything they want. You can't just trust any obscure "study" to shape your world view on. This is why we have brains and have to use our critical thinking skills to see through the BS propaganda that gets thrown our way.

 

[YandereMikuMistress]

I seeth for the things I can never have..
I hate what I am and,,, man women, evils in two,, call me controversial but id rather be feared.

Im a big meat eater not vegan,
And yea its hard to want to just say
"oh yup I was raped"
So Ill just let you guess.

 

[rustcohle4life]

no, youre right. humans are a failed project. theres no saving this

If you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. Yeah we've done some good stuff, no more slavery, more equality, women's rights etc, but the core is still rotten and always will be.

It's like putting seasoning on a shit sandwich.

 

[Roseate]

i relate a lot to hating having a male body, being trans :(

I see having a male body and male mind= being monstrous

there's no fix. my mind and body are clearly male, and there's nothing i can do about it. i am a monster that learned of its monstrosity; it doesn't make me any less of one to have this perspective. The only solution is to quit living. It's the closest thing a monster can to do stop being one, but even then it still doesn't erase the time lived. But it's the closest I'll get.

How is your mind male? I'm curious

 

[Sweet Tart]

I feel guilt for not being vegan. And it's also a huge social stigma being vegan in a extremely carnivore country.
But I pretend to do as soon as possible. Perhaps at beginning of December or January 2026.
I can relate. It feels like a monster to eat animals.

I feel similarly. I know factory farming is evil, an abomination. I feel better when I eat mean and hate myself for it.

I've experienced SA since before I knew what sex was. Not saying it's a constant in my life. It hasn't always been by men. I believe a lot of people who assault others were previously victims.

 

[LittleBlackCat]

Probably gonna spark controversy from this, oh well.

"it gets better" It won't, over the past millennia it has only gotten worse and worse.
I don't want to be a human male. I don't want this body. It is a curse. I am inherently a danger to others. There is not fix for it. My only option is to bring death to myself.

Literally TRILLIONS (and this is a conservative estimate!) of animals are killed for humans' enjoyment and pleasure
https://animalclock.org/ here are some numbers for U.S. farming, this is only a tiny portion of all the animals killed.
statistically virtually every woman has been raped, and at least a very large portion of men are rapists, harassers, assaulters (some studies say at least half but it's hard to know)

anyone else out there vegan?

Vegan here

Also SA victim..

 

[lastowl]

Probably gonna spark controversy from this, oh well.

"it gets better" It won't, over the past millennia it has only gotten worse and worse.
I don't want to be a human male. I don't want this body. It is a curse. I am inherently a danger to others. There is not fix for it. My only option is to bring death to myself.

Literally TRILLIONS (and this is a conservative estimate!) of animals are killed for humans' enjoyment and pleasure
https://animalclock.org/ here are some numbers for U.S. farming, this is only a tiny portion of all the animals killed.
statistically virtually every woman has been raped, and at least a very large portion of men are rapists, harassers, assaulters (some studies say at least half but it's hard to know)

anyone else out there vegan?

I'm vegan and female SA survivor and I agree 100%! Can I message you?

 

[OOUUneverover]

I'm vegan and female SA survivor and I agree 100%! Can I message you?

Sure if you want to

 

[KlMeNw]

I'm vegan and female SA survivor and I agree 100%! Can I message you?

I'm sorry for what happened to you, truly I am. I understand you're angry about what happened to you, and you should be. But that still doesn't prove or even suggest what OP said is right about men.

 

[Silver The Hedgehog]

I'm sorry for what happened to you, truly I am. I understand you're angry about what happened to you, and you should be. But that still doesn't prove or even suggest what OP said is right about men.

dude just stop it and leave them alone. spend one day as a woman and youll see most men are okay with rape. men will always defend men. men will never defend women. any woman knows that. no fucking parent would leave their girl in a room full of men if theyre such nice people. this forum as well is full of incels. Oh males the grand protectors...protect us from fucking who? OTHER MEN BRUH. Yeah like hell men nowadays protect women amiright? all these news of femicides with not a single man standing up. fucking laughable. Wake up lmao. And now go

 

[Nihilisticstatic]

Trans communities in person has been the most beneficial thing Ive found yet. Not the trans support groups, Im taking about the rad underground groups. The kind of queer people who make their own hrt and distribute it to people in need. Their kindness is enough to make life a bit more bearable. Hrt itself also helps quite a bit but the dysphoria is most reduced when you hangout around other trans people and find a community or start one, theres more queer people around you than you think <3

Life sucks and humans are the problem, so many beings (any animal) are suffering and no one is stopping the downfall but dont disrespect yourself by dying to them.

 

[Saponification]

Literally TRILLIONS (and this is a conservative estimate!) of animals are killed for humans' enjoyment and pleasure
https://animalclock.org/ here are some numbers for U.S. farming, this is only a tiny portion of all the animals killed.

I for one am absolutely horrified at the fact that an unfathomable amount of sentient beings are being tortured every second for human's taste pleasure.

The thought sometimes causes me an unbearable, constant existential dread. Being aware of the inimaginable suffering ocurring on Earth is so torturously anxiety-inducing that it's one of the reasons I want to cease to exist so badly.

 

[KlMeNw]

dude just stop it and leave them alone. spend one day as a woman and youll see most men are okay with rape. men will always defend men. men will never defend women. any woman knows that. no fucking parent would leave their girl in a room full of men if theyre such nice people. this forum as well is full of incels. Oh males the grand protectors...protect us from fucking who? OTHER MEN BRUH. Yeah like hell men nowadays protect women amiright? all these news of femicides with not a single man standing up. fucking laughable. Wake up lmao. And now go

First off, as a man and a Father of a little girl, fuck you. Just because you've had bad experiences with the men you chose to associate with doesn't mean we're all condemned. Secondly, you dont know the first thing about how a man thinks because you ain't one and it shows. You've obviously been hurt, but I've been hurt by many women but I dont extrapolate my anecdotal experiences onto the entire sex just because I happened to be unfortunate enough to meet a lot of bad ones. That would be unfair and illogical. Men are protectors and providers inherently, it's literally written into our DNA through hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and I'm proud to be the man I am. Now go be a miserable man bashing sexist somewhere else.

 

[Aloneandinpain]

There will always be some ideologically biased "scientists", "Professors," and students out there who are willing to promote junk science, who can make the data in the study say anything they want. You can't just trust any obscure "study" to shape your world view on. This is why we have brains and have to use our critical thinking skills to see through the BS propaganda that gets thrown our way.

This is absolutely correct. In fact I'd go much further. Almost all the social sciences are utterly captured ideologically. The average "study" and "survey" they carry out already has all the conclusions and findings written beforehand. The main skill needed in such fields isn't anything to go with research but in fact figuring out the ideal target demographic/environment and set of leading questions that allows you to write the conclusions you've already decided (or been forced to decide because they fit the woke ideology of the department/university).

People who actually rebel against this and publish the truth get demoted, denied qualifications and even harassed. I recall the case of the disgraced racist Harvard president bullying a researcher who accidentally debunked the idea that police were more likely to shoot unarmed black people than unarmed white people (and in fact less likely to shoot them!)

Harvard professor says ‘all hell broke loose’ when his study found no racial bias in police shootings

Harvard Economics Professor Roland Fryer said "all hell broke loose" after he released a study on racial bias in policing that colleagues told him not to publish.

www.foxnews.com

 

[KlMeNw]

This is absolutely correct. In fact I'd go much further. Almost all the social sciences are utterly captured ideologically. The average "study" and "survey" they carry out already has all the conclusions and findings written beforehand. The main skill needed in such fields isn't anything to go with research but in fact figuring out the ideal target demographic/environment and set of leading questions that allows you to write the conclusions you've already decided (or been forced to decide because they fit the woke ideology of the department/university).

People who actually rebel against this and publish the truth get demoted, denied qualifications and even harassed. I recall the case of the disgraced racist Harvard president bullying a researcher who accidentally debunked the idea that police were more likely to shoot unarmed black people than unarmed white people (and in fact less likely to shoot them!)

Harvard professor says ‘all hell broke loose’ when his study found no racial bias in police shootings

Harvard Economics Professor Roland Fryer said "all hell broke loose" after he released a study on racial bias in policing that colleagues told him not to publish.

www.foxnews.com

This process has been in effect for decades. It's called The Long March Against the Institutions and it was thought up by a group of European Marxists from The Frankfurt School. Basically, communism was failing everywhere it started and spreading communism through violent revolution was not working. So this group of true believers decided they would capture Western institutions one by one with Marxist ideology by infiltrating and influencing them. It took a generation or two but it has pretty much all but achieved it's goals of filling our courts, schools, and media with marxists, thereby changing the culture from within without having fired a single shot. Brilliant

 

[Silver The Hedgehog]

look at our natural protectors who have it written in their dna

 

[Dot]

A Longitudinal Examination of Male College Students’ Perpetration of Sexual Assault - PMC

Self-administered surveys were completed by 197 men in college at 2 time points, 1 year apart. Men who committed sexual assault at multiple time points (repeat assaulters) had the most extreme scores on measures of hostility toward women, past ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Tht stdy showd tht 35% of rspondng mn hd cmmittd sme typ of SA betwn ags of 14 t/ apprx 18-20 whch includd forcd sexul contct (16.8%) or coersn in2 sx (9.6%) or rpe (8.6%)

Tht numbr droppd t/ 14% of mn admittng t/ sme knd of SA durng thr collge yrs

Obvsly tht = lrge enuf numbr t/ justfy womn b-ing protectve of thmslves arnd mn bt also ds nt sggest tht 'all mn r rapsts' or 'all mn r ok wth rpe' -- = shws tht 65% of mn e.g th/ majorty dd nt admt t/ cmmittng n.e typ of SA as teengrs whch = obvsly th/ majorty bt agn droppd signfcntly in2 adlt lfe as thy maturd

Thse numbrs d/ nt tke in2 accnt hw sme rapsts mght hve bn lyng - whch stdy attemptd t/ prevnt - or tht thy wld nt hve takn prt in rsearch in 1st plce bcse thy wre hidng thr actns bt if r goin2 us tht stdy t/ claim tht all mn r abusrs thn wld hve 2 tke th/ othr numbrs frm tht stdy in gd faith

Also results frm teenge offendrs wre associ8td wth immturty & lck of sexul & rlatnshp educatn & & xpernce & highr r8tes of rmorse frm teenge offendrs in2 adlt-hd whch whle nt reducng th/ numbr of victms = ds challnge th/ claims of motvatns of mn b-ing genrlly OK wth SA

S/ wht am sayng = tht = obvs tht thre r enuf offendrs and subsquent victms out thre fr womn 2 b on thr guard & 2 protct thmslves arnd mn bt genrlisd commnts lke 'all mn r ok wth rpe' = smply nt tru & = jst villiansng innocnt mn out thre wh/ r also strgglng

& t/ mn - = pys t/ undrstnd Y womn r showng thse emotnl reactns bcse SA = hardly rre

There will always be some ideologically biased "scientists", "Professors," and students out there who are willing to promote junk science, who can make the data in the study say anything they want. You can't just trust any obscure "study" to shape your world view on. This is why we have brains and have to use our critical thinking skills to see through the BS propaganda that gets thrown our way.

Also jst bcse u d/ nt lke a claim tht sme1 = associ8tng wth a stdy ds nt mke tht stdy 'jnk scienc' -- if u lk @ th/ stdy u wll C tht th/ rsults mstly work in ur favr bcse 86% of adlt mn of avrge ag of 22 wre nt sexul offendrs

Critcl thnkng gs bth wys

 

[Namelesa]

Please anyone here please keep things civil.

Also Translation:

Tht stdy showd tht 35% of rspondng mn hd cmmittd sme typ of SA betwn ags of 14 t/ apprx 18-20 whch includd forcd sexul contct (16.8%) or coersn in2 sx (9.6%) or rpe (8.6%)

Tht numbr droppd t/ 14% of mn admittng t/ sme knd of SA durng thr collge yrs

Obvsly tht = lrge enuf numbr t/ justfy womn b-ing protectve of thmslves arnd mn bt also ds nt sggest tht 'all mn r rapsts' or 'all mn r ok wth rpe' -- = shws tht 65% of mn e.g th/ majorty dd nt admt t/ cmmittng n.e typ of SA as teengrs whch = obvsly th/ majorty

Obvsly tht ds nt tke in2 accnt hw sme rapsts mght hve bn lyng - whch stdy attemptd t/ prevnt - or tht thy wld nt hve takn prt in rsearch in 1st plce bcse thy wre hidng thr actns bt if r goin2 us tht stdy t/ claim tht all mn r abusrs thn wld hve 2 tke th/ othr numbrs frm tht stdy in gd faith

Also results frm teenge offendrs wre associ8td wth lck of sexul & rlatnshp educatn & highr r8tes of rmorse frm teenge offendrs whch whle nt reducng th/ numbr of victms = ds challnge th/ claims of motvatns of mn b-ing genrlly OK wth SA

S/ wht am sayng = tht = obvs tht thre r enuf offendrs and subsquent victms out thre fr womn 2 b on thr guard & 2 protct thmslves arnd mn bt genrlisd commnts lke 'all mn r ok wth rpe' = smply nt tru & = jst villiansng innocnt mn out thre wh/ r also strgglng

That Study showed that 35% of responding men had committed some type of sexual assault between ages of 14 to approx 18-20 which included forced sexual contact (16.8%) or coercion into sex (9.6%) or rape (8.6%)

That number dropped to 14% of men admitting to some kind of sexual assault during their college years.

Obviously that is a large enough number to justify women being protective of themselves around men but also does not suggest that 'all men are rapists' or 'all men are okay with rape' as it shows that 65% of men ,e.g. the majority, did not admit to committing any type of sexual assault as teenagers which is obviously the majority but again dropped significantly into adult life as they matured.

Those numbers do not take into account how some rapists might have been lying - which the study attempted to prevent - or that they would not have taken part in research in the 1st place because they were hiding their actions but if you're going to use that study to claim that all men are abusers then would have to take the other numbers from that study in good faith.

Also results from teenage offenders were associated with immaturity and lack of sexual and relationship education and experience and higher rates of remorse from teenage offenders into adulthood which while not reducing the number of victims, it does challenge the claims of motivations of men being generally okay with sexual assault.

So what I am saying is that its obvious that there are enough offenders and subsequent victims out there for women to be on their guard and to protect themselves around men but generalized comments like 'all men are okay with rape' are simply not true and its just villainizing innocent men out there who are also struggling.

And to men - it pays to understand why women are showing those emotional reactions because SA is hardly rare.

Also jst bcse u d/ nt lke a claim tht sme1 = associ8tng wth a stdy ds nt mke tht stdy 'jnk scienc' -- if u lk @ th/ stdy u wll C tht th/ rsults mstly work in ur favr bcse 86% of adlt mn of avrge ag of 22 wre nt sexul offendrs

Critcl thnkng gs bth wys

Also just because you do not like a claim that someone is associating with a study does not make that study 'junk science' as if you look at that study you will see that the results mostly work in your favor because 86% of adult men of average age of 22 were not active sexual offenders.

Critical thinking goes both ways.

 

[U. A.]

You're comparing apples and meteors...I don't disagree that big agro is beyond fucked, but also other animals (yes, "other"; humans are animals) literally kill for sport, commit infanticide, and engage in behaviour that's tantamount to SA. We're not special, just unique.

I'm sorry for what happened to you, truly I am. I understand you're angry about what happened to you, and you should be. But that still doesn't prove or even suggest what OP said is right about men.

Loving how you feel such a need to be right you have to reply condescendingly to someone who is literally just asking OP if she can message them. Nice.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Please anyone here please keep things civil.

I read the whole thing and I almost didn't keep it civil, thanks for remind me.

Appreciate for translating dots messages, I have brain fog in the morning and it makes it harder to read/type.

Probably gonna spark controversy from this, oh well.

"it gets better" It won't, over the past millennia it has only gotten worse and worse.
I don't want to be a human male. I don't want this body. It is a curse. I am inherently a danger to others. There is not fix for it. My only option is to bring death to myself.

Literally TRILLIONS (and this is a conservative estimate!) of animals are killed for humans' enjoyment and pleasure
https://animalclock.org/ here are some numbers for U.S. farming, this is only a tiny portion of all the animals killed.
statistically virtually every woman has been raped, and at least a very large portion of men are rapists, harassers, assaulters (some studies say at least half but it's hard to know)

anyone else out there vegan?

I am vegan, hugs to you friend, we can talk if you wish to.

i relate a lot to hating having a male body, being trans :(

I see having a male body and male mind= being monstrous

there's no fix. my mind and body are clearly male, and there's nothing i can do about it. i am a monster that learned of its monstrosity; it doesn't make me any less of one to have this perspective. The only solution is to quit living. It's the closest thing a monster can to do stop being one, but even then it still doesn't erase the time lived. But it's the closest I'll get.


it doesn't make me any less of one to have this perspective.

it would have, had you not been transgender. Just as I could have been an awful person had I not been transgender or had trauma that would has lead me to being a better person.

The name that I chose for this forum was condescending, mocking to myself, thinking what could have been better but it goes two ways, doesn't it? it could have been much worse and not talking about how others would have treated me but how I would have treated myself and others, I could have been a true monster.

You are not a monster, it does make you less of one to have this perspective because you are not a monster in the first place miss.

 

[Dot]

Slf cld nevr pssbly b vegn in currnt st8 & wld defntly strggle as vegn if ws nt unwll bt slf ws vegtrian fr 10 yrs & d/ lke 2 C hw slf cn b mre ethicl whre pssble -- am currntly lookng fr vegtrian & vegn dinnr optns whch r b bulky & fillng & inexpnsve tho s/ am opn t/ n.e sggestns frm ppl wth knwldge

E.g mlk cmes frm locl frms & slf startd purcshng chickn & prk etc frm locl butchr t/ hpeflly mve awy frm factry farmng

Am cmpulsve Amzn shoppr tho & thy obvsly hve mny issus -- = almst impssble 2 sty awy frm evrythng damgng bcse of hw sciety = establshd nw

Appreciate for translating dots messages, I have brain fog in the morning and it makes it harder to read/type.

Honstly evn as persn needng 2 typ tht wy slf h8 readng th/ msgs bck s/ d/ nt blme u