Venting Sorry to have to say this but the suicide discussion has massively declined in quality

[Ambivalent1]

Do you have a diary or is SS it?

 

[AnxietyHangover]

As long as they let it go on. just harmful to everyone at this point . Funeral is unhappy Here. getting fun made off on top. Most people are fed up. Loose loose situation. But noone wants to pull the plug. Non of my business. I just read these threads when bored tbh.

I'm not making fun of FuneralCry, far from it, it's just that we've had this kind of complaint thread yesterday, and also in the past.

 

[karmaisabitch]

People just post anything in suicide discussion now, the suicide discussion should be renamed random discussion section. It's sad how the only place we can discuss suicide is now filled with people wanting to be encouraged into self harm, random threads about anything and people just using it as a life advice forum. Like I literally stay away from the recovery section but the suicide discussion is like that now with people pushing their advice, every second reply is something like "get help". I didn't want to have to post about this but sadly it's the reality, this place was better years ago, and had better quality posts but anyway oh well, I'm just venting, nobody has to read this. I blame all the media attention for bringing people here, I wish those people had just stayed on reddit or whatever. Honestly every day this is less and less of a suicide discussion, so many of the posts are just insufferable to me now, I only want to read about suicide and death related topics as of course non-existence is all I wish for.

I see topics that are not related!

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I guess I can't really disagree with you. People here end up proving you right by arguing with you and being insensitive as hell about your suffering

 

[carac]

"discussion"

*posts threads and never discusses/interacts*

 

[figcitylightscookie]

At this point, I think you want us to respond to everyone with: "kys!! good luck :3"

Suicide discussion should be for all discussions about suicide, not just methods and vent posts. I'm suicidal, but I don't want to just post about methods I'm considering or vent about how existence is the problem. I want to discuss suicide itself and read people's thoughts and opinions on it. The first paragraph on the rules page is: "We provide a safe space to discuss the topic of suicide without the censorship of other places, as well a community that can understand you and let you be yourself without judging you or forcing you to do anything. You can use this forum to vent, talk to like-minded individuals, share your experiences, or to empathize and offer kind words to others who might need them. We all need and deserve love and empathy." You've been on this forum long enough to know the rules, why are you constantly complaining about people following them?

If the Suicide discussion was formatted in the way you want, it would basically be a compilation of trauma porn for sick people who enjoy the idea of people killing themselves to jerk off. I don't understand the point of separating methods and "I want to die" vent posts from other discussions about suicide, could you elaborate further on how that could improve the forum? I find it quite easy to navigate the forum the way it is and ignore the posts that don't interest me. What is the point of adding a new section to the forum that will only make navigation harder for new members and moderation more of a hassle?

Someone on here mentioned that people will post anything for reactions, but it honestly looks like that's what you do. All your responses are the same and usually never add any value to the original post/poster. I'm also guessing your posts complaining about the forum are just clickbait at this point. Do you have any solutions on how to improve the forum? Because you never provide any in your posts. Have you spoken directly to the mods about your concerns? Why are you still on this forum if you're so disgusted at the current state of it? I also think these posts are clickbait because you never reply to the responses, which I find suspicious if you're genuinely concerned about the posts' quality.

Also, I noticed a lot of people on here don't realize this, but suicide is sad. Anyone who comes to that conclusion has lost all hope, and they believe their only escape is death. That's upsetting! This might be a controversial opinion, but I don't feel happy when people post goodbye threads; I respect their decision, but it's sad to think about how much they tried before coming to such a permanent solution. I don't want to come on this forum if all I'm allowed to do is cheer on anyone who has decided to take their own life. Moreover, if someone is making a rash decision, or they're using an ineffective method, they should be advised against it. At the end of the day, it's their decision, and we should respect that as a pro-choice community, but we shouldn't force members to cheer them on, especially if (again) it's a rash decision or they're using an ineffective method.

 

[FadingDawn]

yeah well, some of us think existence isn't the problem.

But existence *is* the problem; that's the point; or, at least, the current capitalist economic order is. But I don't see a revolution outside; otherwise, suicide is the only reasonable alternative. You can go on r/suicidewatch or a self-help subreddit if you want help maxxing out on your grindset.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

At this point, I'm convinced that you just make these types of threads whenever you are bored in order to troll us.

 

[4am]

"discussion"

*posts threads and never discusses/interacts*

 

[LastFlowers]

Hello FuneralCry.
You've been on this website for longer than most, and I can tell that this website has been your safe place.
Many come to this website, some ctb, some leave, and some stick around. You have seen it the endless stream of hopeless souls coming here seeking help by asking the same questions over and over.
My point is, the resources don't change but the people who use them do. and as time passes more and more unique individuals are going to come by and use this website their way.
I understand that you wish for things to be like how they once where, but this world is forever changing and nothing can stay the same.
In conclusion I want to say that this website hasn't changed, people have, and it was a matter of time. I personally believe that there is still quality to be found in here, but I can see the change you find undesirable.
-Best wishes

Yes..the community has definitely become far less recognizable if we are comparing it to years ago.
I admit there is truth in that (as well as the fact that I preferred the atmosphere and general community when I first joined versus later on) and I have acknowledged this..I'm sure I put it into words somewhere on this site at one point but haven't been present enough lately to consider the most recent changes.
I never planned to be around this long, especially with my circumstances only ever worsening.

This site wasn't exactly an easy find back in the day, you really had to dig and have a very personal reason why you were digging..it was less of a free-for-all before the willful stupidity and selfishness of some thrust its existence into the public eye.
It was more "quiet" back then too, felt safer…despite the controversy over the admin at the time.
I think R&S has done a very good job holding down the fort. The main issue is the influx of a certain crowd that probably would not otherwise be here if some other events didn't go down.
You have some of the same serious and/or desperate folks…but you've also got others who treat this place like it's just another social media platform or somewhere to fuck around.
Then add the necessary paranoia that's become justified by the constant attacks on the site's ability to remain..and of course it just doesn't feel the same.

 

[evannave]

Did you need to post this again?

 

[AshersGirl]

Hi I like your post, I am not going to comment I am just curious about your name. Are you one of us old ASHERS? The Real Original ASH people from alt.suicide.holiday? Just asking because of my own name here which I chose because there could be other old ASH people here. I met a few already. Now for your reply I love it. Wish you Peace in whatever you do.

I think someone asked me this before, but no, I never frequented that space. Asher is one of the nicknames for my fiancé who passed. But nice to "meet" you anyway, and wishing you peace also. X

 

[Anon1337]

It has changed quite a bit since 2018. It's much more fast pace and I've seen more of what I consider to be younger members because of Tantacrul. I don't think the pro choice aspect has changed. If it's obvious that member is in a crisis or it's clearly a cry for help then we should acknowledge that. I don't see pro life cookie cutter responses on here.

 

[thealteredmind]

Also, I noticed a lot of people on here don't realize this, but suicide is sad

yep, suicide is a tragedy. I understand for some people with horrible pain is the "good ending", but of course the problem in the first place is the pain. I also have qualms responding to "goodbyes". I still don't know what to say or which reaction to post. I think there's something I want to say but there are no words for it.

But existence *is* the problem; that's the point; or, at least, the current capitalist economic order is. But I don't see a revolution outside; otherwise, suicide is the only reasonable alternative. You can go on r/suicidewatch or a self-help subreddit if you want help maxxing out on your grindset.

nop, existence is not a problem. mental issues are the problem, or lack of mental flexibility, or not knowing how to adapt to circumstances, or lack of nurturing, etc etc.

what's the problem with this "current capitalist economic order" ?

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I don't think the pro choice aspect has changed. If it's obvious that member is in a crisis or it's clearly a cry for help then we should acknowledge that. I don't see pro life cookie cutter responses on here.

I think the issue is that FC tends to project her own views onto others, so if she doesn't want help then others don't want help. She's thinks in a very black and white matter, which makes help to her come off as a bunch of pro-life crap rather than it being a part of just showing care towards others and their well-being. So while trying to be helpful toward someone who is clearly calling for help and who may not even be entirely sure as to whether or not they want to ctb is fine to us, from her perspective it's bunch of people trying to push toxic positivity and pro-life values onto users and trying to prevent them ctbing.

 

[sanitystruggle]

Yayy you got screencapped on X/Twitter again

 

[thealteredmind]

Yayy you got screencapped on X/Twitter again

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[sanitystruggle]

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[sserafim]

But existence *is* the problem; that's the point; or, at least, the current capitalist economic order is. But I don't see a revolution outside; otherwise, suicide is the only reasonable alternative.

Literally. This world is a late-stage capitalistic dystopia. People have to spend the majority of their lives under modern day slavery. They have to become slaves to capitalism and society in order to survive. We will all have to inevitably work and become slaves to the system. It's just how the world works, unfortunately. The only way to escape this is by ctb. It's really NEET or rope. I'm nearing the end of my NEEThood and it's beginning to look like the rope for me. I don't want to submit to modern day slavery and become just another slave. I'd rather die!

 

[Z-A]

The logout button is located at bottom left corner in Menu > Your account.

Jokes aside, the same complaints that I read from your posts makes zero sense to me. Like, what do you want from the community? The forum is about suicide topics, not suicide prevention, even if there's people trying to "help", it's a pro-choice forum after all. It is exactly as it is described, nobody's changing anything.

You can always start your own forum and make it the way you want it to be. Just make sure it won't get restricted too quickly ;).

 

[Lookingtoflyfree]

It takes a special kind of shittiness to complain about suicidal people.

 

[real human being]

Literally. This world is a late-stage capitalistic dystopia. People have to spend the majority of their lives under modern day slavery. They have to become slaves to capitalism and society in order to survive. We will all have to inevitably work and become slaves to the system. It's just how the world works, unfortunately. The only way to escape this is by ctb. It's really NEET or rope. I'm nearing the end of my NEEThood and it's beginning to look like the rope for me. I don't want to submit to modern day slavery and become just another slave. I'd rather die!

Personally I'm probably choosing slavery but your logic and choices are very respectable.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

@sanitystruggle didn't think I'd ever agree with the pro-lifers but they might be right on this.

 

[sserafim]

Personally I'm probably choosing slavery but your logic and choices are very respectable.

The thing I hate the most is how I don't have the guts to ctb and will probably end up as a modern day slave as well. I *want* to ctb, but I'm honestly scared

 

[real human being]

The thing I hate the most is how I don't have the guts to ctb and will probably end up as a modern day slave as well. I want to ctb but I'm honestly scared

It is what it is.

 

[sserafim]

It is what it is.

I just think it's sad that I'll have to inevitably submit to slavery just because I'm alive. I never asked to be born. I didn't ask for any of this

 

[real human being]

I just think it's sad that I'll have to inevitably submit to slavery just because I'm alive. I never asked to be born. I didn't ask for any of this

Yeah we all have to go through suffering we didn't consent to and submit to an authority we didn't choose just because we were born. Life is mostly a series of things you don't have any control over but oh well what can you do except ctb or roll with the punches :)

 

[sserafim]

Yeah we all have to go through suffering we didn't consent to and submit to an authority we didn't choose just because we were born. Life is mostly a series of things you don't have any control over but oh well what can you do except ctb or roll with the punches :)

I hate this so much. Life is suffering, and I hate how I have to suffer just because I'm alive. I don't want to submit to authority. None of us even consented to being born anyways

 

[real human being]

I hate this so much. I don't want to submit to authority. None of us even consented to being born anyways

when i was in school i hated that i had to submit to arbitrary rules and instructions and in the end i didnt graduate, dropped out in 12th grade. nowadays i guess i dont really have mental space to think about that because im mostly thinking about how to survive in this world and get myself into a decent position. thats how most people are, they're beaten into submission by the cruelty of the world.

 

[sserafim]

when i was in school i hated that i had to submit to arbitrary rules and instructions and in the end i didnt graduate, dropped out in 12th grade. nowadays i guess i dont really have mental space to think about that because im mostly thinking about how to survive in this world and get myself into a decent position. thats how most people are, they're beaten into submission by the cruelty of the world.

I conformed to the system until I graduated college. I've been a NEET ever since then as a means of defiance