Discussion Some thoughts on death/the other side

[GnarlyWalnut32]

Some people discourage suicide by saying that we don't know what comes after, which is true, but, if there happens to be something on the other side you aren't avoiding anything if u don't kill your self. You are only postponing it.

 

[Lmd]

But that's a weak argument. You are postponing it if you stay alive or maybe you are rushing into a worse destiny if you CTB.

 

[GnarlyWalnut32]

But that's a weak argument. You are postponing it if you stay alive or maybe you are rushing into a worse destiny if you CTB.

Maybe you will be rewarded if you CTB for having the balls to do it. It goes both ways.

 

[Lmd]

Maybe you will be rewarded if you CTB for having the balls to do it. It goes both ways.

We can keep saying things but we'll never know. What I tried to say it's that no argument has a solid foundation to lean on. In the end people tend to believe in what best suits their own happiness.

 

[motel rooms]

There is no this/other side, it's all one big cesspool.

 

[nopointofliving]

The simple answer for this: It's unknown... Noone really knows even when they pretend to know.

 

[LostSoul1609]

Maybe you will be rewarded if you CTB for having the balls to do it. It goes both ways.

I think it takes more guts to live anyway you know? Let's not treat ourselves thinking we are making the right choice on this forum. Dying isn't the smartest or best thing to do in most cases, it's the easy way out, do not sugar the pill

 

[motel rooms]

Dying isn't the smartest or best thing to do in most cases, it's the easy way out

 

[Cheemo]

I feel like people believe in some kind of afterlife as a light of hope. Something to calm their nerves about dying. But I feel like there is nothing after death. No feelings, no soul, no anything. Kinda like whatever you were before coming into this world. Some people can be afraid of this so they dream of some type of afterlife.

 

[LostSoul1609]

Honestly, this place is about allowing people a choice without stigmatizing them, nonetheless it is quite dumb to see suicide as the best solution to problem, it is still a bad solution, I feel like many people on this site wrongly idolize suicide, I want to ctb too however we shouldn't treat it as a mature way of confronting a problem.

 

[motel rooms]

Honestly, this place is about allowing people a choice without stigmatizing them, nonetheless it is quite dumb to see suicide as the best solution to problem, it is still a bad solution, I feel like many people on this site wrongly idolize suicide, I want to ctb too however we shouldn't treat it as a mature way of confronting a problem.

Don't generalize, kid. Do you have severe OCD & have to wash your body until your skin bleeds? Do you have PTSD & suffer from horrible flashbacks & nightmares every single day & night? Are you bedridden & in pain 24/7?

 

[newave3]

Don't generalize, kid. Do you have severe OCD & have to wash your body until it bleeds? Do you suffer from PTSD & suffer from horrible flashbacks & nightmares every single day & night? Are you bedridden & in pain 24/7?

Yes absolutely agree...no generalizations and no judgements here please. How in the world could any of us know what another member is going through? We can describe our mental and physical pains in great detail and we would still have no clue what the other person has to endure everyday.
Don't judge someone till you have walked a mile in their shoes. Who the hell am I ( or any of us ) to say whether anyone should or shouldn't take their own lives? @LostSoul1609

 

[LostSoul1609]

Don't generalize, kid. Do you have severe OCD & have to wash your body until your skin bleeds? Do you have PTSD & suffer from horrible flashbacks & nightmares every single day & night? Are you bedridden & in pain 24/7?

Yes absolutely agree...no generalizations and no judgements here please. How in the world could any of us know what another member is going through? We can describe our mental and physical pains in great detail and we would still have no clue what the other person has to endure everyday.
Don't judge someone till you have walked a mile in their shoes. Who the hell am I ( or any of us ) to say whether anyone should or shouldn't take their own lives?

In *most* cases suicide is the easy way out, not all of them, of course every case deserves a personal analysis and the ones you.
Problem is most cases of suicide are made in deeply emotional state rather than in a logical way, and the tendency of this forum to idolize emotional acts is incredibly toxic. If you create and allowing space for people who are in the deep pains you described you can't not take into account the many people who are driven here just by emotional bursts, which is the thing we are missing and that brought this site so many haters.

 

[motel rooms]

How in the world could any of us know what another member is going through?

@LostSoul1609 actually could find out what kind of ordeals some of the members are going through. He could read a couple of posts by people like @-Persephone- , @littlelungs or @KuriGohan&Kamehameha & learn a couple of things about maturity.
"It is quite dumb to see suicide as the best solution to problem/we shouldn't treat it as a mature way of confronting a problem."

In *most* cases suicide is the easy way out, not all of them, of course every case deserves a personal analysis and the ones you.
Problem is most cases of suicide are made in deeply emotional state rather than in a logical way, and the tendency of this forum to idolize emotional acts is incredibly toxic. If you create and allowing space for people who are in the deep pains you described you can't not take into account the many people who are driven here just by emotional bursts, which is the thing we are missing and that brought this site so many haters.

Most suicides are not impulsive/"immature". That is a myth. Educate yourself. And stop bringing up that ugly "easy way out" cliché, please!

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/impulsivity-and-suicide-risk-review-and-clinical-implications

 

[newave3]

In *most* cases suicide is the easy way out, not all of them, of course every case deserves a personal analysis and the ones you.
Problem is most cases of suicide are made in deeply emotional state rather than in a logical way, and the tendency of this forum to idolize emotional acts is incredibly toxic. If you create and allowing space for people who are in the deep pains you described you can't not take into account the many people who are driven here just by emotional bursts, which is the thing we are missing and that brought this site so many haters.

I wish I was in a deeply emotional state because everyday I feel nothing. I never feel any emotions. I am completely numb.
What's it like to laugh, cry, be sad, get angry?...I have no idea. I have all the emotions of a block of wood. That's what many decades of taking psychiatric medications will do to you. The logical way out of this numbness is to CTB.

 

[LostSoul1609]

@LostSoul1609 actually could find out what kind of ordeals some of the members are going through. He could read a couple of posts by people like @-Persephone- , @littlelungs or @KuriGohan&Kamehameha & learn a couple of things about maturity.
"It is quite dumb to see suicide as the best solution to problem/we shouldn't treat it as a mature way of confronting a problem."

Most suicides are not impulsive/"immature". That is a myth. Educate yourself. And stop bringing up that ugly "easy way out" cliché, please!

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/impulsivity-and-suicide-risk-review-and-clinical-implications

I wish I was in a deeply emotional state because everyday I feel nothing. I never feel any emotions. I am completely numb.
What's it like to laugh, cry, be sad, get angry?...I have no idea. I have all the emotions of a block of wood. That's what many decades of taking psychiatric medications will do to you. The logical way out of this numbness is to CTB.

Chill out, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to people, I just want to point out that our act shouldn't be idolized and I'm not saying all of use are immature and emotional quite frankly. I think this is a complicated topic to discuss and it should be done so without any bias.
As I said I'm not speaking about all people, I've been in this place for some time and I wouldn't in any way condemn the people who attempted CTB. I just wish we had a more open way of discussing it and making light on the subject, which would help many people understand if their problems are to be flushed down into death or are worth of some more attempts of recovery.

@hotelbeneathground
If you could stop answering so aggresively maybe we could have a serious talk about this
@newave3
I never said YOU are emotional in your struggle. I've been into serious numbness before my two attempts and I know the feeling (uh), just know I don't mean this as an attack or a critique to you.

 

[UKscotty]

There is no afterlife or anything after death. That's all fantasy nonsense people tell each other. Once the brain is dead, that's it, we cease to exist. Just a bag of meat ready to be recycled back into the planet.

 

[motel rooms]

In *most* cases suicide is the easy way out, not all of them, of course every case deserves a personal analysis and the ones you.
Problem is most cases of suicide are made in deeply emotional state rather than in a logical way, and the tendency of this forum to idolize emotional acts is incredibly toxic. If you create and allowing space for people who are in the deep pains you described you can't not take into account the many people who are driven here just by emotional bursts

Well, what do you propose we do with all the people that you perceive as "just emotional/immature"? Should we ignore them? Should we tell them to stop being so emotional? Should we tell them to be quiet & go away?

I just wish we had a more open way of discussing it and making light on the subject, which would help many people understand if their problems are to be flushed down into death or are worth of some more attempts of recovery.

Nobody can stop you from having deep, serious conversations with people who ask for advice... There's also a Recovery section

 

[LostSoul1609]

Well, what do you propose we do with all the people that you perceive as "just emotional/immature"? Should we ignore them? Should we tell them to stop being so emotional? Should we tell them to be quiet & go away?



Nobody can stop you from having deep, serious conversations with people who ask for advice... There's also a Recovery section

I just think we should modify our way of approaching the problem of suicide. To offer alternative solutions even out of the recovery section and to avoid validating every small reason as a good reason to kill oneself.
Look, I'm suicidal too and I think this would be a better world if suicidal and struggling people receveid the respect they deserve, I just think that part of that respect also resides in taking their problems into analysis and not instantly validating their desire to die. That said I don't mean disrespect towards all the people you mentioned.

 

[motel rooms]

I just think we should modify our way of approaching the problem of suicide. To offer alternative solutions even out of the recovery section and to avoid validating every small reason as a good reason to kill oneself.
Look, I'm suicidal too and I think this would be a better world if suicidal and struggling people receveid the respect they deserve, I just think that part of that respect also resides in taking their problems into analysis and not instantly validating their desire to die. That said I don't mean disrespect towards all the people you mentioned.

But who is supposed to decide what constitutes a good enough reason to ctb on a pro-choice forum? Listen, maybe you should start a thread about your ideas; this is a thread about "the other side". Or you could join this discussion:
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/pro-life.71460/

 

[FuneralCry]

I do not think there is anything after this. There is no evidence of it. I think there is simply nothing, just like before we were born. I think when we lose consciousness that is the end for us. That thought brings me a lot of comfort.

 

[goingoutinstyle]

The simple answer for this: It's unknown... Noone really knows even when they pretend to know.

I feel like people believe in some kind of afterlife as a light of hope. Something to calm their nerves about dying. But I feel like there is nothing after death. No feelings, no soul, no anything. Kinda like whatever you were before coming into this world. Some people can be afraid of this so they dream of some type of afterlife.

There is no afterlife or anything after death. That's all fantasy nonsense people tell each other. Once the brain is dead, that's it, we cease to exist. Just a bag of meat ready to be recycled back into the planet.

I do not think there is anything after this. There is no evidence of it. I think there is simply nothing, just like before we were born. I think when we lose consciousness that is the end for us. That thought brings me a lot of comfort.

I agree—I think the most accurate way to imagine what death feels like is to think of what we felt like before we were born, aka nothing.

 

[Dear Agony]

I think it takes more guts to live anyway you know? Let's not treat ourselves thinking we are making the right choice on this forum. Dying isn't the smartest or best thing to do in most cases, it's the easy way out, do not sugar the pill

Disagree. Why is dying not smart or the best thing to do? Because it sure sounds hella dumb to continue living for no reason at all when you're in constant pain and agony.