SN without meto

[Verklempt]

i'm having a very difficult time trying to find meto without a prescription. i was thinking of taking ibuprofen, tagamet, and antacid for SN. will those help me stop vomiting the SN?

 

[WaitingAround2Die]

Buccastem - M may be an alternative to meto? Have a search and see what you find.

 

[goldenrods]

tagamet will help the absorption. won't stop the vomiting but will help kill you quicker

 

[NotGoneButNotHere]

i'm having a very difficult time trying to find meto without a prescription. i was thinking of taking ibuprofen, tagamet, and antacid for SN. will those help me stop vomiting the SN?

I've considered skipping Meto a couple times myself as well but after reading a couple stories from members here who did the same it's safe to say that it's not worth it

 

[jgm63]

Tagamet is an antacid

Well, "strictly speaking" I think it's an H2 blocker...
H2 blockers reduce the amount of acid your stomach makes, whereas antacid neutralises the acid already in your stomach.

 

[goldenrods]

I've considered skipping Meto a couple times myself as well but after reading a couple stories from members here who did the same it's safe to say that it's not worth it

you can def CTB without meto, it's very much possible you just need to drink more to accommodate for the loss of vomiting as well as tagamet to help your body absorb it more

 

[k75]

None of those drugs are a substitute for Meto. And you don't need both Tagamet and an antacid.

 

[gambardella]

Try metopimazine. It's OTC where I live, and it is a dopamine antagonist.

I've considered skipping Meto a couple times myself as well but after reading a couple stories from members here who did the same it's safe to say that it's not worth it

Could you develop ? Many are those who did not take meto and still passed.

 

[NotGoneButNotHere]

you can def CTB without meto, it's very much possible you just need to drink more to accommodate for the loss of vomiting as well as tagamet to help your body absorb it more

Never said you couldn't but I think it's better to get an antiemetic than to experience intense stomach pain and vomiting. Then if you fail which is pretty likely you'll have to force another dose against survival instinct. It's always better to be fully prepared for a method than to fall victim to desperation. Usually doesn't end well that way

 

[jgm63]

you can def CTB without meto, it's very much possible you just need to drink more to accommodate for the loss of vomiting as well as tagamet to help your body absorb it more

This doesn't sound like a great idea, since taking more increases the chance of vomiting.

 

[NotGoneButNotHere]

Try metopimazine. It's OTC where I live, and it is a dopamine antagonist.



Could you develop ? Many are those who did not take meto and still passed.

There's accounts here of people who survived not taking an antiemetic and it's not impossible to succeed I just feel like it's an unnecessary risk that will also make the experience more miserable in most cases

 

[goldenrods]

This doesn't sound like a great idea, since taking more increases the chance of vomiting.

more also increases the chances of it getting absorbed into your system. i plan to ctb without sn soon - we'll see how it goes

 

[Moonicide]

i'm having a very difficult time trying to find meto without a prescription. i was thinking of taking ibuprofen, tagamet, and antacid for SN. will those help me stop vomiting the SN?

Dramamine Non-Drowsy (Meclizine) is OTC. One of our members passed away using it. The thing is there has been people that have vomited even with using Meto., but have passed away regardless. So in the end it really depends on your body chemistry. Due to this reason, many people usually make another serving and take it if they do vomit to make sure they successfully ctb. I wish you luck!

 

[gambardella]

Dramamine Non-Drowsy (Meclizine) is OTC. One of our members passed away using it. The thing is there has been people that have vomited even with using Meto., but have passed away regardless. So in the end it really depends on your body chemistry. Due to this reason, many people usually make another serving and take it if they do vomit to make sure they successfully ctb. I wish you luck!

Would you say that success rate is still high, even when vomiting and drinking another glass (and supposedly vomiting a bit of that other glass too...) ?

 

[jgm63]

Would you say that success rate is still high, even when vomiting and drinking another glass (and supposedly vomiting a bit of that other glass too...) ?

Although we can't say with complete certainty (because there's no controlled study), the impression I get is that the success rate is high when the person does not receive medical assistance.... But following Stan's guide properly should increase the chances of success, so it is wise to follow that.

 

[Quarky00]

SN (x3) , no medical assistance 4 hours , fatality .

Meclizine is for motion sickness. If SN is going to cause you to vomit, the Meclizine will probably not stop it. But not everybody vomits when using the SN.

Stan listed 6 antiemetics, check availability of alternatives. Meto could ease things, few reported adverse reaction, not critical for chances of fatality.

Many here share similar worry, for vomiting & failing:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/im-very-worried-about-throwing-up-the-sn.28832/

 

[Moonicide]

Would you say that success rate is still high, even when vomiting and drinking another glass (and supposedly vomiting a bit of that other glass too...) ?

Yes. In fact Stan made multiple servings of SN just in case as he ctbed. If you do vomit and consume another serving, by then your body has absorbed quite a bit of the SN, making it lethal and will ultimately lead to death if you are not found.

 

[Beside You In Time.]

Even with vomiting, without medical care the dose is already almost 6x the lethal amount, the person would probably not survive.

 

[Daffodil]

I heard you can order meto through an online pharmacy without a prescription, but you probably need to do some searching for an excuse for what to say.


I heard a horrible story about a man who wanted to go so much he was planning to take SN without an a.e. so he drove himself into the middle of nowhere in the woods. So that no matter how much he suffered he couldn't reach out for help. I think SN has a high risk of being painful, and I wouldn't risk further by doing without AE.

 

[a.h]

i'm having a very difficult time trying to find meto without a prescription. i was thinking of taking ibuprofen, tagamet, and antacid for SN. will those help me stop vomiting the SN?

Isn't the prescription easy to get? If you for example say you feel nauseous when you have migraine and throw up the pills for it. Even if you use injection for migraines it is recommended to take painkillers with it.

 

[porfin1234]

I heard you can order meto through an online pharmacy without a prescription, but you probably need to do some searching for an excuse for what to say.


I heard a horrible story about a man who wanted to go so much he was planning to take SN without an a.e. so he drove himself into the middle of nowhere in the woods. So that no matter how much he suffered he couldn't reach out for help. I think SN has a high risk of being painful, and I wouldn't risk further by doing without AE.

Damn. This was going to be my plan soon.
I guess I need to quit screwing around and find meto.

 

[Soulstax]

Damn. This was going to be my plan soon.
I guess I need to quit screwing around and find meto.

I don't think it has a high risk of being painful without Meto. Meto is to control vomiting, not pain. Painkillers are very easy to get and are part of the regiment and even then, a mild headache is what to be expected when it comes to pain.

 

[Heart of Ice]

You can use SN without meto. Vomiting does not automatically lead into a failure.

Use the search bar in the top right corner.

 

[Delia]

It's safer to get meto though... because no meto means higher sn dose which might increase discomfort if you want to assure a success... idk where you live but if it's in schengen space i'll have you know meto is VERY easy to get

 

[k75]

I don't think it has a high risk of being painful without Meto. Meto is to control vomiting, not pain. Painkillers are very easy to get and are part of the regiment and even then, a mild headache is what to be expected when it comes to pain.

Agreed.

Meto has two jobs here. It helps keep you from vomiting as long as possible and it promotes stomach emptying, so the SN moves through your system and gets absorbed asap.

It appears most people eventually vomit regardless of taking antiemetics or not. My theory is that their true purpose with SN is not to completely prevent vomiting, but to help stop it long enough for the SN to be absorbed.

The longer it's in you, the better. Most of the failed attempts I've noticed where there were no antiemetics vomited early. Maybe not enough was absorbed.

If you vomit later, maybe it's just water and stomach acids because you've absorbed most of the chemical. This is why vomiting doesn't always equal failure.

I don't believe a higher dose of SN is a good idea. It might encourage vomiting, hurting the process rather than helping. And extra doses sounds good in theory, but when you're already vomiting, it's really hard to ingest water, much less salt water. You'll probably find yourself throwing that up as well.

 

[Terminally ill]

I am also afraid of this. When you are feeling weak and sick and vomiting maybe all dizzy but not really unconscious, how do u take another drink and expect not to vomit that one as well?

 

[jgm63]

From studying the various logs / records, most of the failed cases appear to be where people were found or called an ambulance themselves.

Some members have vomited, but still been successful. In the cases where people vomited it doesn't appear they drank any more SN, yet they still appeared to succeed.

The recommendation is to have a couple of extra glasses ready, and to drink more in the event of vomiting, but if you weren't able to do that, then it still appears there is a good chance of succeeding.

So if you take good precautions to not be found, and have a degree of determination to undergo some discomfort without calling an ambulance, then the chance of success should be very high.

 

[Terminally ill]

In the unsuccesful SN stories there are cases like this:

Case 1: A 52-year-old male was transported to hospital after being found at home by family, unconscious and slumped awkwardly for approximately 24 hours. After treatment reported chest pains, kidney injury due to SN, deep vein thrombosis, cognitive impairment (unclear if this was due to past history of ECT or SN)- So he was not found for 24 hours, why did he not die?

Case 2: Sodium nitrite ingestion for suicidal attempt, presented in unconsciousness, shock and deeply cyanosed condition. He was pulseless and had no recordable BP with methemoglobin level of 77%. He completely recovered after two days. Survival in a case of methemoglobinemia with extremely high level of methemoglobin, non-recordable BP and deep cyanosis is rarely reported. - again at a level of 77% , shouldnt the person have been already dead? Because you can see in the succesful SN articles, people beeing dead at 49%

 

[jgm63]

For any method, you will always be able to find stories of unsuccessful attempts.
But it depends on how "controlled" those cases are, eg do we have accurate data on what took place ?
Perhaps those people did not follow the protocol well enough....
Perhaps some of these cases are reported by pro-lifers, who want to put people off of the idea....

 

[Terminally ill]

This is also true that we do not have enough data. In the first case we can guess, as it is what we are doing here, that maybe the dose taken was not leathal but in the second case a methemoglobin level of 77% should definetely guarantee death so dose taken or protocol not beeing followed does not really matter. We are all desperate to die here, and I guess we need to make sure we are not looking at this from a confirmation bias perspective , because I know for sure I tend to do that.