Method SN without benzos

[Cyc]

Just wondering, would I still have a decent chance of dying if I had no benzos and just had SN and meto? Or are benzos essential

Also are there any alternatives to benzos I could use? Would dipenhydramine work?

 

[Macedonian1987]

Benzos are not essential for the SN protocol, but benzos will make the whole process much more peaceful. With benzos you will not be so afraid and agitated, compared to without. I will include benzos for my exit. Since I'm a benzo-naive person I will take just 1mg of xanax to calm me down before I drink my SN.

 

[raybd]

Just wondering, would I still have a decent chance of dying if I had no benzos and just had SN and meto? Or are benzos essential

Also are there any alternatives to benzos I could use? Would dipenhydramine work?

Someone asked this last week. Diphenhydramine is a muscle relaxant. It will have an overall sleep-inducing effect. Not the same as benzos. But, a quick alternative if if you can only get that.
And yes, to confirm what the last response said, nothing except SN, meto and fasting is essential. All the other things only make the procedure calmer.

 

[Kayla]

Someone asked this last week. Diphenhydramine is a muscle relaxant. It will have an overall sleep-inducing effect. Not the same as benzos. But, a quick alternative if if you can only get that.
And yes, to confirm what the last response said, nothing except SN, meto and fasting is essential. All the other things only make the procedure calmer.

meto and fasting aren't essential

 

[Johnny99]

The question is: benzos before or after taking SN? How fast will crushed oxazepam kick in?

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

The question is: benzos before or after taking SN? How fast will crushed oxazepam kick in?

Before, so it has time to start working, but also to help you actually take the sn in the first place. Idk exactly how fast though.

 

[raybd]

meto and fasting aren't essential

when sn fails most people throw up... so essential in that sense.
in terms of the chemical process, that is another thing.

 

[Kayla]

when sn fails most people throw up... so essential in that sense.
in terms of the chemical process, that is another thing.

still not essential. You can throw up loads and still die.

 

[Cyc]

Benzos are not essential for the SN protocol, but benzos will make the whole process much more peaceful. With benzos you will not be so afraid and agitated, compared to without. I will include benzos for my exit. Since I'm a benzo-naive person I will take just 1mg of xanax to calm me down before I drink my SN.

Ohh okay thank you :) i hope you find peace

Someone asked this last week. Diphenhydramine is a muscle relaxant. It will have an overall sleep-inducing effect. Not the same as benzos. But, a quick alternative if if you can only get that.
And yes, to confirm what the last response said, nothing except SN, meto and fasting is essential. All the other things only make the procedure calmer.

Okay thank you I think I'll use dph then cuz I'm having trouble find benzos

 

[raybd]

still not essential. You can throw up loads and still die.

not useful information. you cannot generalize like that. each case varies. what's the news in that?
note that PPEH (or Stan's on this site) and such only give guidelines for the average case. Not every single case.

 

[Kayla]

not useful information. you cannot generalize like that. each case varies. what's the news in that?
note that PPEH (or Stan's on this site) and such only give guidelines for the average case. Not every single case.

If you take 25g without AE and throw up, you most likely will still die. If you take 7g and throw up, you can still die. AE isn't essential.

 

[raybd]

If you take 25g without AE and throw up, you most likely will still die. If you take 7g and throw up, you can still die. AE isn't essential.

"Average case" "Average case" "Average case".
Response to AEs is subjective.
PPEH and such only document what works in general.
People have to tailor things to their case if they aren't at the middle of the bell curve, so to speak.

 

[Kayla]

My point still stands. not essential

 

[raybd]

My point still stands. not essential

In your moss-filled, utterly addled world perhaps. Even SN is not essential. You can jump off a cliff.
And, speaking as a former scientist with some of the most respected labs on this planet, may I ask, what formal authority or background you carry?
People like those behind PPEH and other such orgs walk a very fine line. Can't exactly write a "Idiot's guide to offing yourself".
All they can validly put out is about the most documented, average case information.
Can't exactly commission a lab or human subject study and determine a formula, can they?
They can only talk about the average case and certain obvious extrapolations like add 10g for over 100kg body weight.
The PPEH folks and their fellow travelers who put out such semi-rigorous material, all make the limitations of their methods clear in their prefatory statements.
Anything more needed, you got to figure it out on your own.
All you are repeatedly saying is "non-average cases" or "special cases" exist. What is the news in that?
But you seem to compulsively want to keep repeating that.
Which reveals more about you than about SN.
What good is that to the OP who started the thread to get some information, while already in a forlorn place wanting to go, and therefore had signed up on this site.

 

[Kayla]

In your moss-filled, utterly addled world perhaps. Even SN is not essential. You can jump off a cliff.
And, speaking as a former scientist with some of the most respected labs on this planet, may I ask, what formal authority or background you carry?
People like those behind PPEH and other such orgs walk a very fine line. Can't exactly write a "Idiot's guide to offing yourself".
All they can validly put out is about the most documented, average case information.
Can't exactly commission a lab or human subject study and determine a formula, can they?
They can only talk about the average case and certain obvious extrapolations like add 10g for over 100kg body weight.
The PPEH folks and their fellow travelers who put out such semi-rigorous material, all make the limitations of their methods clear in their prefatory statements.
Anything more needed, you got to figure it out on your own.
All you are repeatedly saying is "non-average cases" or "special cases" exist. What is the news in that?
But you seem to compulsively want to keep repeating that.
Which reveals more about you than about SN.
What good is that to the OP who started the thread to get some information, while already in a forlorn place wanting to go, and therefore had signed up on this site.

essential - absolutely necessary; extremely important.
AE and benzos aren't essential. People will take them to help but if they don't have access to them which some people can't SN will still work (if they have the sn ofc). People are so set on the PPEH which is perfectly fine loads of people have followed it and passed. But if anyone says anything otherwise about the ppeh everyone gets defensive. Someone took 4g on here and has seemed to pass. That's how lethal sn is. And we weren't talking about jumping off a cliff we were just talking about sn. This is what I mean when I say people get defensive because you say something different to what the PPEH says. Also i'm friends with the OP

 

[CGN83]

And, speaking as a former scientist with some of the most respected labs on this planet, may I ask, what formal authority or background you carry?

You do realise that being a "former scientist" gives you no advantage into your pointless "I'm better than you" speech you've just given.

Someone living through a failed SN attempt will without a doubt have a better idea about these things than you do.

Benzos ARE NOT essential. Many people will and have successfully finished the job without Benzos.