SN vs Opiates, etc for ctb

[de_cache]

SN definitely seems to be the cheapest chemical there is for ctb, but it's so hard to find. Opiates are easier to find, but they're obviously more expensive. Funny how I can literally find heroin in like 10 minutes, but I can't find a meat curing chemical for the life (or death, I guess) of me.

I just want to get ahold of one of the two and keep it somewhere safe, just in case. I don't have any concrete plans at the moment, but would like to have the option avaliable whenever I want. Shelf life would be important here, I know SN is stable, but what about opiates/barbs?

I'm extremely broke, so SN is preferred due to price.

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

SN is not hard to find at all, you can get to it in as little as 30 seconds by searching for SN on the Y search engine and looking for a site with the letters DMC in the URL. The DMC site sells SN for it's original purpose, not CTB. That's all you need, but there are tons of additional hints in previous threads.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Opioids are not reliable enough to CTB on.

Opioid Megathread & Overview

Preamble I wanted to write something similar to Stan's guide to SN but I hesitate to call this a guide because I can't in good conscience make a guide for something so unreliable in terms of access, lethality, and risk of permanent injury. I.e., traumatic brain injury from hypoxia. SN is a far...

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Although the exact reliability of SN is not known, it seems to be a safer bet than opioids.

Good luck finding barbiturates. Even if you do, the reliability of phenobarbital is not known.

And like the user above me said, SN is not difficult to find.

 

[soonnotkoei]

Opioids are not reliable enough to CTB on.

Opioid Megathread & Overview

Preamble I wanted to write something similar to Stan's guide to SN but I hesitate to call this a guide because I can't in good conscience make a guide for something so unreliable in terms of access, lethality, and risk of permanent injury. I.e., traumatic brain injury from hypoxia. SN is a far...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Although the exact reliability of SN is not known, it seems to be a safer bet than opioids.

Good luck finding barbiturates. Even if you do, the reliability of phenobarbital is not known.

And like the user above me said, SN is not difficult to find.

+1.

do not use opiates imo. sn is safer and more reliable. sn with proper antiemetics will get the job done with reasonable reliability. and as the others have said, dmc is not hard to find at all. follow the hints and its hilariously easy. just make sure to ask other users to confirm that you have the correct dmc website. good luck.

(username "de_cache" with vertigo pfp, nice one OP)

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

Although I'm using SN to CTB, I actually wouldn't mind scoring some heroin or maybe fentanyl to get high before I die. I wonder if opiates would interact with SN.

 

[Peter Skellern]

+1.

do not use opiates imo. sn is safer and more reliable. sn with proper antiemetics will get the job done with reasonable reliability. and as the others have said, dmc is not hard to find at all. follow the hints and its hilariously easy. just make sure to ask other users to confirm that you have the correct dmc website. good luck.

(username "de_cache" with vertigo pfp, nice one OP)

It's a horses for courses thing. If a person can source Morphine that will undoubtedly do the trick in a large enough amount.

 

[Unspoken7612]

SN is not hard to find at all, you can get to it in as little as 30 seconds by searching for SN on the Y search engine and looking for a site with the letters DMC in the URL. The DMC site sells SN for it's original purpose, not CTB. That's all you need, but there are tons of additional hints in previous threads.

You can say "Yandex" as it isn't a source. You can name search engines, but not retailers.

DMC pretends to sell SN for meat curing, but it is 100% about suicide.

 

[whysaz]

Thanks for that. Do you know if they sell it in a disguised way?

 

[stockyman]

You can say "Yandex" as it isn't a source. You can name search engines, but not retailers.

DMC pretends to sell SN for meat curing, but it is 100% about suicide.

any further hints?

+1.

do not use opiates imo. sn is safer and more reliable. sn with proper antiemetics will get the job done with reasonable reliability. and as the others have said, dmc is not hard to find at all. follow the hints and its hilariously easy. just make sure to ask other users to confirm that you have the correct dmc website. good luck.

(username "de_cache" with vertigo pfp, nice one OP)

any further hints?

SN is not hard to find at all, you can get to it in as little as 30 seconds by searching for SN on the Y search engine and looking for a site with the letters DMC in the URL. The DMC site sells SN for it's original purpose, not CTB. That's all you need, but there are tons of additional hints in previous threads.

any further hints?

 

[Eudaimonic]

Although I'm using SN to CTB, I actually wouldn't mind scoring some heroin or maybe fentanyl to get high before I die. I wonder if opiates would interact with SN.

Depending on when exactly you took them, they could increase the likelihood of vomiting. Maybe low dose would be okay, but how would you even know? Receptor sensitivity is so variable so it might just knock you out.

It's a horses for courses thing. If a person can source Morphine that will undoubtedly do the trick in a large enough amount.

Not true at all.

 

[Peter Skellern]

Depending on when exactly you took them, they could increase the likelihood of vomiting. Maybe low dose would be okay, but how would you even know? Receptor sensitivity is so variable so it might just knock you out.

Not true at all.

You don't think a substantial amount of morphine would prove deadly? Dr's do.

 

[Eudaimonic]

You don't think a substantial amount of morphine would prove deadly?

Yeah, because the amount that is deadly varies so greatly and there's no way to know beforehand what the lethal dose is for a given person. Oral/intranasal bioavailability is low and there's the ever-present risk of vomiting. So, the best is IV, but, again, the lethal dose is highly variable, much more so than SN, chloroquine, or even TCAs (which are also quite variable).

 

[Peter Skellern]

Yeah, because the amount that is deadly varies so greatly and there's no way to know beforehand what the lethal dose is for a given person. Oral bioavailability is low and there's the ever-present risk of vomiting. So, the best is IV, but, again, the lethal dose is highly variable, much more so than SN, chloroquine, or even TCAs (which are also quite variable).

But if you have no tolerance and take a substantial amount of Oramorph it would prove pretty deadily. Unless all those people who've died from Oramorph are faking it?

 

[Eudaimonic]

But if you have no tolerance and take a substantial amount of Oramorph it would prove pretty deadily. Unless all those people who've died from Oramorph are faking it?

It's just a crapshoot.

 

[Peter Skellern]

Not really. Knock back a 500ml bottle at 5mg/10ml and I'd imagine that's lights out.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Not really. Knock back a 500ml bottle at 5mg/10ml and I'd imagine that's lights out.

From pubchem: "The lethal dose range for carfentanil in humans is unknown." This is one of the most potent opioids. How do you dose (IV let alone intraorally/intranasally) this if the range is literally unknown?

 

[Peter Skellern]

"it can be found that the fatal dose of morphine to humans is generally 250 mg required to kill an adult"



100ml of morphine sulfate 10 mg/5 mL oral solution (200mg morphine) can be a fatal dose – especially if they are morphine naive.

 

[Eudaimonic]

"it can be found that the fatal dose of morphine to humans is generally 250 mg required to kill an adult"



100ml of morphine sulfate 10 mg/5 mL oral solution (200mg morphine) can be a fatal dose – especially if they are morphine naive.

I need to consider this. I think that oral is still too unreliable because of risk of vomiting and low bioavailability among other things. But maybe intramuscular could work. I can't seem to find a lethal dose though.

 

[Peter Skellern]

I need to consider this. I think that oral is still too unreliable because of risk of vomiting and low bioavailability among other things. But maybe intramuscular could work. I can't seem to find a lethal dose though.

Well youd have to take Metoclopramide

I doubt intramuscular would work.

There's plenty of evidrnce online of oral overdoses

 

[Eudaimonic]

Well youd have to take Metoclopramide

I found this: "Our trial found that ondansetron did not appear to be effective at preventing opioid-induced nausea or vomiting." and "Metoclopramide did not reduce the risk of vomiting, nausea, or the need for rescue medication when provided prior to intravenous opioids in the emergency department. In terms of the severity of nausea, metoclopramide did not help patients any more than placebo (sham treatment)."

There's plenty of evidrnce online of oral overdoses

Variability in receptor sensitivity, variability in tolerance relating to respiratory effects, low bioavailability, very high chance of vomiting.

 

[Peter Skellern]

There's still a wealth of evidence of people ODing on oral morphine. Typically with other meds too.

There's also Prevention advice...
Resting your head
Avoiding head movement, such as with a head immobilizer

 

[Eudaimonic]

There's still a wealth of evidence of people ODing on oral morphine. Typically with other meds too.

That doesn't establish its efficacy as a method though. And often they are the result of taking it with alcohol, benzos, etc. that potentiate it.

 

[Peter Skellern]

This indeed is odten said...

ORAMORPH poses risks of abuse, misuse and addiction which can lead to overdose and death. Your doctor will monitor you regularly during treatment. ORAMORPH can cause life-threatening or fatal breathing problems (slow, shallow, unusual or no breathing) even when used as recommended.

That doesn't establish its efficacy as a method though. And often they are the result of taking it with alcohol, benzos, etc. that potentiate it.

Well yes. Commonsense for this purpose. And other meds like Propranolol.

That doesn't establish its efficacy as a method though. And often they are the result of taking it with alcohol, benzos, etc. that potentiate it.

Well yes. Commonsense for this purpose. And other meds like Propranolol.

That doesn't establish its efficacy as a method though. And often they are the result of taking it with alcohol, benzos, etc. that potentiate it.

Well yes. Commonsense for this purpose. And other meds like Propranolol.

That doesn't establish its efficacy as a method though. And often they are the result of taking it with alcohol, benzos, etc. that potentiate it.

Well yes. Commonsense for this purpose. And other meds like Propranolol.
Opps how did that happen?
It also has a cumulative effect over time. Doses could be staggered.

 

[danny10]

SN definitely seems to be the cheapest chemical there is for ctb, but it's so hard to find. Opiates are easier to find, but they're obviously more expensive. Funny how I can literally find heroin in like 10 minutes, but I can't find a meat curing chemical for the life (or death, I guess) of me.

I just want to get ahold of one of the two and keep it somewhere safe, just in case. I don't have any concrete plans at the moment, but would like to have the option avaliable whenever I want. Shelf life would be important here, I know SN is stable, but what about opiates/barbs?

I'm extremely broke, so SN is preferred due to price.

Where I live, it is much easier to find SN and much harder to find heroin. :-)

 

[de_cache]

SN is not hard to find at all, you can get to it in as little as 30 seconds by searching for SN on the Y search engine and looking for a site with the letters DMC in the URL. The DMC site sells SN for it's original purpose, not CTB. That's all you need, but there are tons of additional hints in previous threads.

All I'm finding are pictures, I don't think that works anymore

+1.

do not use opiates imo. sn is safer and more reliable. sn with proper antiemetics will get the job done with reasonable reliability. and as the others have said, dmc is not hard to find at all. follow the hints and its hilariously easy. just make sure to ask other users to confirm that you have the correct dmc website. good luck.

(username "de_cache" with vertigo pfp, nice one OP)

Yeah that's what they replaced cache with lol