If I go to a sea, start swimming as much as I can away from the shore until I'm exhausted, and let the currents kill me, is it a reliable method? I think drowning is one of the most reliable and lethal methods if no one saves you. Maybe it would help if I go to a sea when it's more agitated and the waves are bigger because there might be stronger currents. Which method do you think is more reliable, sn or drowning?
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Romanticize
Specialist
- Aug 22, 2024
- 332
Both methods are very reliable (considering you do SN correctly- with meto, fasting, benzos).
But drowning is a terrible, horrifying way to die. SN is not 100% peaceful but its MUCH more peaceful than drowning, not even comparable.
it's a no brainer - you should absolutely go for SN instead of drowning.
But drowning is a terrible, horrifying way to die. SN is not 100% peaceful but its MUCH more peaceful than drowning, not even comparable.
it's a no brainer - you should absolutely go for SN instead of drowning.
claracatchingthebus
Clara seems to be waiting for something. But what?
- Jun 22, 2025
- 35
Drowning is super painful
People have described what happens it's awful, just absolute extreme pain, and not even fast
People have described what happens it's awful, just absolute extreme pain, and not even fast
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Intoxicated
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- Nov 16, 2023
- 861
Can you provide any specific detailed testimonies in support of your claims?
I can quote a user who'd likely disagree with you regarding "super painful" drowning:
Drowning actually is not bad, I almost drowned to death when I was 9 when someone tried to kill me. The water filled my lungs and it hurt a bit, but nothing ever too crazy. It hurts only for a bit.
Are there.. good methods?
I do not think I would rely on helium because it is rare on Earth and we have a limited amount, therefore it will be harder to find. I plan on just going down to the store and buying some nice rope, and then going home and tying a nice noose. That is, if I finally decide to do it. I don't know...
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So far the strongest acute pain I ever felt was caused by electricity. A few milliseconds of exposure to 230 V was enough to produce deep shock. I suspect that even if you try to drown yourself in boiling water, the degree of your pain will be far behind the one you could get from electrocution. So no, I don't believe in "absolute extreme pain" from drowning (assuming that no any anesthesia/analgesia/sedatives are applied), this looks rather like a blatant fearmongering.
Note also that it is unfair to compare SN + meto + benzo against drowning without any supplementary aids. If you care about pain relief when using SN, it would be logical to do the same in case of drowning too. There is a plenty of widely available gases (like nitrous, propane-butane, DFE) which can painlessly render unconsciousness in half a minute via reducing blood oxygen saturation (the same mechanism as for drowning). In classic drowning, asphyxiation by water is responsible for inducing unconsciousness, maintaining it, and killing; the unpleasant part occurs during the induction stage. But if you induce loss of consciousness by gas asphyxiation first, then drowning would be needed only to maintain unconsciousness and kill, so nearly the entire period of aspiration of water takes place without perceiving it. This actually looks way more appealing to me than the possibility of experiencing nausea, retching, vomiting, abdominal pains, and accidental aspiration of vomit from nitrite poisoning.
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What do you think about drowning in a sea the way I described it in the original post, do you think it's reliable? Also what do you think about sn, is it a reliable method? I'm worried about sn because even if the sources we buy from claim their sn is pure, we don't know for sure if that's true, if the sn is pure enough to be lethal. I have sn from BO, they sell sn from the polish source BM and on BO's website it says sn is 98% but how do we know for sure, what if it's not pure enough? Should we trust what the sources we buy from say? I tested it with aquarium test strips and based on the colour charts of the strips the results seemed positive but I don't think the aquarium tests or blood test are very reliable because they don't show the exact percentage of the purity, they give you an idea of the level of nitrites present in sn. If the sn isn't pure enough to be lethal then it won't work, I'm afraid of failure from sn and ending up in a worse condition than before. Some people want to think sn doesn't lead to serious or long lasting damage if you survive but that's not true, it can lead to damage based on what sn does. I think drowning is more reliable than sn but what do you think?Can you provide any specific detailed testimonies in support of your claims?
I can quote a user who'd likely disagree with you regarding "super painful" drowning:
Drowning actually is not bad, I almost drowned to death when I was 9 when someone tried to kill me. The water filled my lungs and it hurt a bit, but nothing ever too crazy. It hurts only for a bit.
Are there.. good methods?
I do not think I would rely on helium because it is rare on Earth and we have a limited amount, therefore it will be harder to find. I plan on just going down to the store and buying some nice rope, and then going home and tying a nice noose. That is, if I finally decide to do it. I don't know...
So far the strongest acute pain I ever felt was caused by electricity. A few milliseconds of exposure to 230 V was enough to produce deep shock. I suspect that even if you try to drown yourself in boiling water, the degree of your pain will be far behind the one you could get from electrocution. So no, I don't believe in "absolute extreme pain" from drowning (assuming that no any anesthesia/analgesia/sedatives are applied), this looks rather like a blatant fearmongering.
Note also that it is unfair to compare SN + meto + benzo against drowning without any supplementary aids. If you care about pain relief when using SN, it would be logical to do the same in case of drowning too. There is a plenty of widely available gases (like nitrous, propane-butane, DFE) which can painlessly render unconsciousness in half a minute via reducing blood oxygen saturation (the same mechanism as for drowning). In classic drowning, asphyxiation by water is responsible for inducing unconsciousness, maintaining it, and killing; the unpleasant part occurs during the induction stage. But if you induce loss of consciousness by gas asphyxiation first, then drowning would be needed only to maintain unconsciousness and kill, so nearly the entire period of aspiration of water takes place without perceiving it. This actually looks way more appealing to me than the possibility of experiencing nausea, retching, vomiting, abdominal pains, and accidental aspiration of vomit from nitrite poisoning.
claracatchingthebus
Clara seems to be waiting for something. But what?
- Jun 22, 2025
- 35
I remember reading stuff about it. There's horrible stuff that happens in the lungs once drowning sets in that's incredibly painful. I don't have sources so if you have sources showing I'm wrong then you may be right.
Romanticize
Specialist
- Aug 22, 2024
- 332
SN is extremely reliable. Dont care about purity. Even 90% is more than enough
i dont want to lose time looking for sources, but man, you are right. Drowning is painful.
Intoxicated
M
- Nov 16, 2023
- 861
I suspect that even in the worst case drowning is not more painful than what many women experienced during childbirth, especially before usage of analgesia/anesthesia became common practice. Somehow the fear of pain didn't stop them from having sex. And the majority of women probably don't hurry to do medical abortion after discovering their pregnancy out of concerns about painful childbirth. If you find out what complications can arise when giving a birth, you may be terrified. Some women go through hours or days of torture. What is 2 - 5 minutes of conscious drowning compared to this?
Whether classic drowning is painful presents mostly a theoretical interest. From the practical point of view, it's not so important, because
1) some people are not as sensitive and afraid of possible pain/discomfort as you can be, and they might consider your level of tolerance to discomfort shamefully weak; what seems "extremely painful" to you may seem like an easy walk for them;
2) those people who are genuinely interested in pain relief most likely can find good means to mitigate discomfort from drowning to bare minimum, while those who are interested in complaining about disadvantages of some method which they dislike can find their own set of reasons explaining why SN is utter crap as well.
NaNO₂ + NH₄Cl ⇄ NaCl + NH₄NO₂
2 NaNO₂ + (NH₄)₂SO₄ ⇄ Na₂SO₄ + 2 NH₄NO₂
The produced ammonium nitrite (NH4NO2) is an unstable salt which decomposes to water and nitrogen at temperatures above 60 - 70 °C:
NH₄NO₂ → 2 H₂O + N₂↑
Now suppose you can precisely measure 13.8 g of sodium nitrite. This is 0.2 mol. At 20°C and pressure of 760 mm Hg, the maximum theoretical amount of produced nitrogen would be
0.2 mol * 24 L/mol = 4.8 L
If your conditions differ from the aforementioned, you can calculate the molar volume using this online calculator https://planetcalc.com/7918/ and then use the resulting value instead of 24 L/mol.
4.8 L can be contained in a sphere having diameter of approximately 20.9 cm. If you collect produced nitrogen in a latex balloon whose shape is very close to spherical, let it cool down to the room temperature, and measure the diameter of the balloon, you can estimate the real yield of nitrogen (there are online calculators like this https://www.sensorsone.com/sphere-diameter-to-volume-calculator/ that can be helpful with volume calculations)
The method of measuring the diameter of an inflated balloon is briefly shown on the following video at timestamp 7:30 (the guy produced nitrous oxide from a mixture of sodium nitrite and hydroxylamine hydrochloride)
For example, if the measured diameter is at least 19.5 cm, this means 80%+ yield at 20°C & 760 mm Hg:
(19.5 cm)³ * π/6 / (4.8 * 1000 cm³) * 100% ≈ 81%
Since the SN protocol assumes that NaNO2 is used in excess, there should be no big difference between doses of 20 g and 25 g. Both are close to LD100, so the 80%+ purity should suffice.
It may be somewhat difficult to measure the sphere diameter precisely enough (because even a small bias in the measured diameter value leads to a noticeably greater bias in volume due to the cubic dependency), so if you want a higher precision, you can use the water displacement method
Since SN poisoning is a CTB method for the lazy, I've never actually seen any users of this forum who used this method of checking SN purity and told about the results. So you could be the first person doing it here ) Only one man reported a successful quality test of his SN using the reaction with NH4Cl (he saw intense bubbling in the hot mixture), but he didn't perform quantitative analysis.
Formation of a different gas than nitrogen that would not be easily detectable is very unlikely. Sodium nitrite potentially may be mixed with a limited set of chemical compounds:
1) sodium chloride (NaCl) - doesn't react with NH4Cl; with (NH4)2SO4 there is just a simple ion exchange without production of gases;
2) sodium nitrate (NaNO3) - some amount of NH4NO3 is formed due to ion exchange, but this compound is pretty stable in hot water solutions and doesn't undergo decomposition into gaseous nitrous oxide there;
3) sodium hydroxide - NH4OH is formed, which may decompose into water and ammonia (NH3), but NH3 has a very pungent smell with low odor threshold, so its presence is easy to notice;
4) sodium carbonate or sodium bicarbonate - a mixture of CO2 and NH3 may be released, but again, the smell of NH3 is very easy to notice.
NH4Cl powders may contain salts of metals or sulfates as impurities, but they won't really form any gases in remarkable amounts upon reacting with the aforementioned compounds.
Formation of NH3 would be a bad sign, because it may indicate the presence of impurities that can cause irritation of the throat when ingesting SN. If you're ready to experience such perceptions and still want to measure the amount of nitrogen without dealing with NH3 and CO2, you can neutralize the alkali/soda with some acid before performing the test.
NH4Cl or (NH4)2SO4 should be taken in excess. For example, 0.2 mol (13.8 g) of NaNO2 reacts with 0.2 mol (10.7 g) of NH4Cl or 0.1 mol (13.2 g) of (NH4)2SO4, and these amounts of NH4Cl or (NH4)2SO4 can be multiplied by 2 - 5 in order to cover possible impurities and speed up the chemical reaction. The unused amount of the reagent will just remain dissolved in the solution and won't affect the precision of the test.
Whether classic drowning is painful presents mostly a theoretical interest. From the practical point of view, it's not so important, because
1) some people are not as sensitive and afraid of possible pain/discomfort as you can be, and they might consider your level of tolerance to discomfort shamefully weak; what seems "extremely painful" to you may seem like an easy walk for them;
2) those people who are genuinely interested in pain relief most likely can find good means to mitigate discomfort from drowning to bare minimum, while those who are interested in complaining about disadvantages of some method which they dislike can find their own set of reasons explaining why SN is utter crap as well.
You have created so many similar threads about drowning and SN that I have some doubts regarding whether you're looking for answers here. But I could try to address your questions nevertheless in hope that the provided info could be interesting for others at least.
IDK what means "reliable" to you. There is a small chance that someone on a boat will spot you and pay attention to your well-being, because you would be alone, without any watercraft, and obviously too far from the seashore. So your plan doesn't look absolutely perfect. If the possibility of being discovered is acceptable for you and you're pretty sure that you're motivated enough, so you won't change your mind at the last moment, then CTB in the described way may be deemed sufficiently reliable, I presume.
If you're so concerned about purity of SN, you can assess the % of useful nitrite using chemical reaction between NaNO2 and NH4Cl (ammonium chloride) or (NH4)2SO4 (ammonium sulfate)
NaNO₂ + NH₄Cl ⇄ NaCl + NH₄NO₂
2 NaNO₂ + (NH₄)₂SO₄ ⇄ Na₂SO₄ + 2 NH₄NO₂
The produced ammonium nitrite (NH4NO2) is an unstable salt which decomposes to water and nitrogen at temperatures above 60 - 70 °C:
NH₄NO₂ → 2 H₂O + N₂↑
Now suppose you can precisely measure 13.8 g of sodium nitrite. This is 0.2 mol. At 20°C and pressure of 760 mm Hg, the maximum theoretical amount of produced nitrogen would be
0.2 mol * 24 L/mol = 4.8 L
If your conditions differ from the aforementioned, you can calculate the molar volume using this online calculator https://planetcalc.com/7918/ and then use the resulting value instead of 24 L/mol.
4.8 L can be contained in a sphere having diameter of approximately 20.9 cm. If you collect produced nitrogen in a latex balloon whose shape is very close to spherical, let it cool down to the room temperature, and measure the diameter of the balloon, you can estimate the real yield of nitrogen (there are online calculators like this https://www.sensorsone.com/sphere-diameter-to-volume-calculator/ that can be helpful with volume calculations)
The method of measuring the diameter of an inflated balloon is briefly shown on the following video at timestamp 7:30 (the guy produced nitrous oxide from a mixture of sodium nitrite and hydroxylamine hydrochloride)
For example, if the measured diameter is at least 19.5 cm, this means 80%+ yield at 20°C & 760 mm Hg:
(19.5 cm)³ * π/6 / (4.8 * 1000 cm³) * 100% ≈ 81%
Since the SN protocol assumes that NaNO2 is used in excess, there should be no big difference between doses of 20 g and 25 g. Both are close to LD100, so the 80%+ purity should suffice.
It may be somewhat difficult to measure the sphere diameter precisely enough (because even a small bias in the measured diameter value leads to a noticeably greater bias in volume due to the cubic dependency), so if you want a higher precision, you can use the water displacement method
Since SN poisoning is a CTB method for the lazy, I've never actually seen any users of this forum who used this method of checking SN purity and told about the results. So you could be the first person doing it here ) Only one man reported a successful quality test of his SN using the reaction with NH4Cl (he saw intense bubbling in the hot mixture), but he didn't perform quantitative analysis.
Formation of a different gas than nitrogen that would not be easily detectable is very unlikely. Sodium nitrite potentially may be mixed with a limited set of chemical compounds:
1) sodium chloride (NaCl) - doesn't react with NH4Cl; with (NH4)2SO4 there is just a simple ion exchange without production of gases;
2) sodium nitrate (NaNO3) - some amount of NH4NO3 is formed due to ion exchange, but this compound is pretty stable in hot water solutions and doesn't undergo decomposition into gaseous nitrous oxide there;
3) sodium hydroxide - NH4OH is formed, which may decompose into water and ammonia (NH3), but NH3 has a very pungent smell with low odor threshold, so its presence is easy to notice;
4) sodium carbonate or sodium bicarbonate - a mixture of CO2 and NH3 may be released, but again, the smell of NH3 is very easy to notice.
NH4Cl powders may contain salts of metals or sulfates as impurities, but they won't really form any gases in remarkable amounts upon reacting with the aforementioned compounds.
Formation of NH3 would be a bad sign, because it may indicate the presence of impurities that can cause irritation of the throat when ingesting SN. If you're ready to experience such perceptions and still want to measure the amount of nitrogen without dealing with NH3 and CO2, you can neutralize the alkali/soda with some acid before performing the test.
NH4Cl or (NH4)2SO4 should be taken in excess. For example, 0.2 mol (13.8 g) of NaNO2 reacts with 0.2 mol (10.7 g) of NH4Cl or 0.1 mol (13.2 g) of (NH4)2SO4, and these amounts of NH4Cl or (NH4)2SO4 can be multiplied by 2 - 5 in order to cover possible impurities and speed up the chemical reaction. The unused amount of the reagent will just remain dissolved in the solution and won't affect the precision of the test.
Sorry but I don't understand any of that, not many people are good at all of that scientific stuff, I don't think it's necessarily because people are lazy, but some might have mental or physical problems that might make it more difficult for them to learn and do very complex stuff, some might not be smart enough to understand all of that, or they might not have enough time because they're desperate to die, there are many different situations and circumstances people are in. I was more curious what you think about sn in general, if you think it's a reliable enough method, if we should trust the sources we buy from who claim sn is pure, such as BO for example who say sn is 98% pure, if after doing the aquarium tests and getting positive results based on the colour charts of the strips is enough. I heard of another way to test its purity by sending a sample of sn to a laboratory to see its percentage of the purity, but I don't think I can do that. I never sent something to a lab before and what if they ask why I own that dangerous chemical, if they ask for proof or a license of why I own it I don't know what I would say, I don't know if just saying that it's for meat curing is enough, I don't think many people have sn. I'm more curious about your opinion of sn as a method, if you think it's a trustworthy method and reliable enough to work and kill you, if you think there are more reliable methods. I know many methods have risks of failure, some of them more than others, it depends on the method, what I mean by reliable isn't necessarily 100% reliable, but at least close to 100%, or as close as it can get, if we say 100% reliable then we agree there's no possible scenario where you could fail. I think the way I described drowning in the original post is reliable enough, maybe not 100% because of that scenario where a boat could possibly find me while I'm alive, but if no one saves me then I think it's reliable enough, I think drowning is one of the most reliable and lethal methods but it's important that no one saves you for the method to work
Intoxicated
M
- Nov 16, 2023
- 861
This is just a basic school chemistry course. In my understanding, "a very complex stuff" is something like building your own drone ))
The ability to learn and understand things is highly dependent on motivation. If you have a lack of motivation, it's likely that your brain won't process information effectively. I think, only a minority of people would have difficulties with comprehension of the aforementioned testing due to persistent cognitive dysfunctions.
Desperation and reliability don't mix well.
It seems reliable enough for me, although it's unlikely that I would choose it for myself because of other alternatives I'd use more willingly.
It would be good to perform a quality test to ensure that sodium nitrate was not sold as sodium nitrite by mistake. Failure due to insufficient purity seems to be unlikely to me. PPEH 2025 says that
Sodium Nitrite is a very effective end of life agent which does not require potentiation (although this remains an option). The only failed deaths of which Exit is aware are those where there was medical intervention.
Not many people are good at chemistry. About sn, on the bottle of the sn I bought it says it's sodium nitrite (NaNO2), so probably it should be what it says it is but I'm not sure, it says in polish azotyn sodu, meaning sodium nitrite, the bottle is from the polish source BM, BO sell sn from BM. On BO's website it says the purity is 98% but the purity isn't written on the bottle, I don't know why. Shouldn't companies say what purity the sn is on the bottle? I don't know what it means if it's not written on the bottle. I tested it with aquarium test strips, the results from the colour charts at the nitrite levels seemed to be positive and indicated high levels of nitrite, it's marked as No2, there are also other elements included on the strips, one of them being nitrate. But even if the results seemed positive for the nitrite levels I'm not convinced by these tests because as I said, these tests don't show the exact percentage of the purity, they just give you an idea of the level of nitrites present in sn. What do you think about the aquarium tests? And what's the quality test you talk about to ensure it's not sodium nitrate instead, the one you showed earlier in your previous reply that I said it's complicated, or a different test?
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Alexandra0
Don't Fear the Reaper
- Sep 30, 2023
- 424
I feel like those are such different methods and it all matters what one you feel the most okay with & def do your research & knowing every method has a chance of failure and a chance of success. My current method of choice in SN, so my thoughts on these two options are:
The thought of swimming until exhaustion and then drowning sounds so immensely scary to me bc for me I can't properly swim - my arms are so weak too, I don't have a lot of stamina so I get exhausted on hard hikes for instance and it hurts being that exhausted, and the deep dark water and what is down there scares me immensely that even going into water in video games scares me, and then the thought of SI kicking in and trying to stay above water bc it hurts to not breathe (I have tried to hold my breath in a pool before and when I can't do it anymore that's painful and that scary urgency resurface to get air). Like it just sounds like such a not peaceful way to go.
& with SN, it's just following the protocol and taking something by mouth in the comfort of my home (or hotel if that's what I decide) you need strength and the will to take it and it is scary that even if the source says very high percentage that it could be wrong & it could fail & I get you'll feel terrible with some symptoms like you are very sick. And so far from what I read, it doesn't seem like there are lasting damage like other methods (like ODing on Tylenol could lead to liver failure) but may just be under researched & not sure how far back the first person who took this method was. I am still scared that it won't work after I do all the prep to say goodbye and prepare for the end so that does suck & I could be the person that lasting damage happens too and that's scary too.
It's hard figuring out the right choice and the fact it could not work - no one can give you guarantees & there's pros and cons to everything. & I feel like that just goes for everything in life. Those are my thoughts as a heavily anxious person.
The thought of swimming until exhaustion and then drowning sounds so immensely scary to me bc for me I can't properly swim - my arms are so weak too, I don't have a lot of stamina so I get exhausted on hard hikes for instance and it hurts being that exhausted, and the deep dark water and what is down there scares me immensely that even going into water in video games scares me, and then the thought of SI kicking in and trying to stay above water bc it hurts to not breathe (I have tried to hold my breath in a pool before and when I can't do it anymore that's painful and that scary urgency resurface to get air). Like it just sounds like such a not peaceful way to go.
& with SN, it's just following the protocol and taking something by mouth in the comfort of my home (or hotel if that's what I decide) you need strength and the will to take it and it is scary that even if the source says very high percentage that it could be wrong & it could fail & I get you'll feel terrible with some symptoms like you are very sick. And so far from what I read, it doesn't seem like there are lasting damage like other methods (like ODing on Tylenol could lead to liver failure) but may just be under researched & not sure how far back the first person who took this method was. I am still scared that it won't work after I do all the prep to say goodbye and prepare for the end so that does suck & I could be the person that lasting damage happens too and that's scary too.
It's hard figuring out the right choice and the fact it could not work - no one can give you guarantees & there's pros and cons to everything. & I feel like that just goes for everything in life. Those are my thoughts as a heavily anxious person.
That's why I thought about drowning because it's a more lethal method, it's not a peaceful method at all, I would rather take sn and die from sn because it's more comfortable than going to a sea and drowning but because of the uncertainty of sn I'm not sure if I can trust it. I have sn and I could take it but I'm not sure if I'll die or survive, I know there are risks of failure with many methods but with drowning I'm more certain that I'll die. It's not true that there isn't any lasting damage from sn if you survive, that's what some people want to think, but based on what sn does it can lead to serious damage if you survive, maybe not all cases of people who survived from it had any lasting damage, but it can lead to that. I think sn can work, people died from it but it's not the most reliable method
Romanticize
Specialist
- Aug 22, 2024
- 332
dude you keep making new threads about drowning
Let me tell you, SN is extremely reliable, and you won't survive it, if you drink 20g of SN, and use metoclopramide, fasting and benzos...
Intoxicated
M
- Nov 16, 2023
- 861
Nothing actually. I never held them in my hands and I don't know the exact mechanism of how those test strips work.
It could be the same test with ammonium chloride/sulfate as I mentioned above performed without measurements and calculations. Intense bubbling in a hot mixture of NaNO2 and NH4Cl / (NH4)2SO4 without the smell of ammonia indicates the presence of nitrite ions in significant amounts. It's not complicated at all; a 10 year old kid might do this.
If you don't trust the seller regarding the purity of SN, I wonder how our opinions could change your attitude to the product you purchased. Do you consider opinions of random anonymous users on the internet trustworthy? As far as I can see, many people share hallucinated "knowledge" in a manner of ChatGPT, so if you want to gain more or less reliable knowledge, you have to do this in despised "complicated" ways anyway.
Britney Spears
toxic
- Jan 4, 2025
- 477
People say different things about sn, there are some contradictory informations and opinions here about it so that's why I'm not sure how reliable it is
Romanticize
Specialist
- Aug 22, 2024
- 332
because if people hesitate, don't take full 20g, don't fast, don't have benzos or meto - sure, SN may not work.
As with every method, you have to prepare, and fully commit to it.
It's like you wanted to drown while splashing your face with water.
Correctly done SN is EXTREMELY reliable.
T
Thats why people have to research and weigh the pros and cons of their choice and go with what feels right to them or makes the most sense for them. Others can't decide that for you, we can only share what we think. I'm sure many people have survived by trying to drown. The one famous guy who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge survived bc a seal kept him afloat in the water (bc people die by drowning if the jump doesn't kill them first).
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