If I go to a sea, start swimming as much as I can away from the shore until I'm exhausted, and let the currents kill me, is it a reliable method? I think drowning is one of the most reliable and lethal methods if no one saves you. Maybe it would help if I go to a sea when it's more agitated and the waves are bigger because there might be stronger currents. Which method do you think is more reliable, sn or drowning?
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Romanticize
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- Aug 22, 2024
- 324
Both methods are very reliable (considering you do SN correctly- with meto, fasting, benzos).
But drowning is a terrible, horrifying way to die. SN is not 100% peaceful but its MUCH more peaceful than drowning, not even comparable.
it's a no brainer - you should absolutely go for SN instead of drowning.
But drowning is a terrible, horrifying way to die. SN is not 100% peaceful but its MUCH more peaceful than drowning, not even comparable.
it's a no brainer - you should absolutely go for SN instead of drowning.
claracatchingthebus
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- Jun 22, 2025
- 35
Drowning is super painful
People have described what happens it's awful, just absolute extreme pain, and not even fast
People have described what happens it's awful, just absolute extreme pain, and not even fast
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Intoxicated
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- Nov 16, 2023
- 859
Can you provide any specific detailed testimonies in support of your claims?
I can quote a user who'd likely disagree with you regarding "super painful" drowning:
Drowning actually is not bad, I almost drowned to death when I was 9 when someone tried to kill me. The water filled my lungs and it hurt a bit, but nothing ever too crazy. It hurts only for a bit.
Are there.. good methods?
I do not think I would rely on helium because it is rare on Earth and we have a limited amount, therefore it will be harder to find. I plan on just going down to the store and buying some nice rope, and then going home and tying a nice noose. That is, if I finally decide to do it. I don't know...
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So far the strongest acute pain I ever felt was caused by electricity. A few milliseconds of exposure to 230 V was enough to produce deep shock. I suspect that even if you try to drown yourself in boiling water, the degree of your pain will be far behind the one you could get from electrocution. So no, I don't believe in "absolute extreme pain" from drowning (assuming that no any anesthesia/analgesia/sedatives are applied), this looks rather like a blatant fearmongering.
Note also that it is unfair to compare SN + meto + benzo against drowning without any supplementary aids. If you care about pain relief when using SN, it would be logical to do the same in case of drowning too. There is a plenty of widely available gases (like nitrous, propane-butane, DFE) which can painlessly render unconsciousness in half a minute via reducing blood oxygen saturation (the same mechanism as for drowning). In classic drowning, asphyxiation by water is responsible for inducing unconsciousness, maintaining it, and killing; the unpleasant part occurs during the induction stage. But if you induce loss of consciousness by gas asphyxiation first, then drowning would be needed only to maintain unconsciousness and kill, so nearly the entire period of aspiration of water takes place without perceiving it. This actually looks way more appealing to me than the possibility of experiencing nausea, retching, vomiting, abdominal pains, and accidental aspiration of vomit from nitrite poisoning.
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What do you think about drowning in a sea the way I described it in the original post, do you think it's reliable? Also what do you think about sn, is it a reliable method? I'm worried about sn because even if the sources we buy from claim their sn is pure, we don't know for sure if that's true, if the sn is pure enough to be lethal. I have sn from BO, they sell sn from the polish source BM and on BO's website it says sn is 98% but how do we know for sure, what if it's not pure enough? Should we trust what the sources we buy from say? I tested it with aquarium test strips and based on the colour charts of the strips the results seemed positive but I don't think the aquarium tests or blood test are very reliable because they don't show the exact percentage of the purity, they give you an idea of the level of nitrites present in sn. If the sn isn't pure enough to be lethal then it won't work, I'm afraid of failure from sn and ending up in a worse condition than before. Some people want to think sn doesn't lead to serious or long lasting damage if you survive but that's not true, it can lead to damage based on what sn does. I think drowning is more reliable than sn but what do you think?Can you provide any specific detailed testimonies in support of your claims?
I can quote a user who'd likely disagree with you regarding "super painful" drowning:
Drowning actually is not bad, I almost drowned to death when I was 9 when someone tried to kill me. The water filled my lungs and it hurt a bit, but nothing ever too crazy. It hurts only for a bit.
Are there.. good methods?
I do not think I would rely on helium because it is rare on Earth and we have a limited amount, therefore it will be harder to find. I plan on just going down to the store and buying some nice rope, and then going home and tying a nice noose. That is, if I finally decide to do it. I don't know...
So far the strongest acute pain I ever felt was caused by electricity. A few milliseconds of exposure to 230 V was enough to produce deep shock. I suspect that even if you try to drown yourself in boiling water, the degree of your pain will be far behind the one you could get from electrocution. So no, I don't believe in "absolute extreme pain" from drowning (assuming that no any anesthesia/analgesia/sedatives are applied), this looks rather like a blatant fearmongering.
Note also that it is unfair to compare SN + meto + benzo against drowning without any supplementary aids. If you care about pain relief when using SN, it would be logical to do the same in case of drowning too. There is a plenty of widely available gases (like nitrous, propane-butane, DFE) which can painlessly render unconsciousness in half a minute via reducing blood oxygen saturation (the same mechanism as for drowning). In classic drowning, asphyxiation by water is responsible for inducing unconsciousness, maintaining it, and killing; the unpleasant part occurs during the induction stage. But if you induce loss of consciousness by gas asphyxiation first, then drowning would be needed only to maintain unconsciousness and kill, so nearly the entire period of aspiration of water takes place without perceiving it. This actually looks way more appealing to me than the possibility of experiencing nausea, retching, vomiting, abdominal pains, and accidental aspiration of vomit from nitrite poisoning.
claracatchingthebus
Clara seems to be waiting for something. But what?
- Jun 22, 2025
- 35
I remember reading stuff about it. There's horrible stuff that happens in the lungs once drowning sets in that's incredibly painful. I don't have sources so if you have sources showing I'm wrong then you may be right.
Romanticize
Specialist
- Aug 22, 2024
- 324
SN is extremely reliable. Dont care about purity. Even 90% is more than enough
i dont want to lose time looking for sources, but man, you are right. Drowning is painful.
Intoxicated
M
- Nov 16, 2023
- 859
I suspect that even in the worst case drowning is not more painful than what many women experienced during childbirth, especially before usage of analgesia/anesthesia became common practice. Somehow the fear of pain didn't stop them from having sex. And the majority of women probably don't hurry to do medical abortion after discovering their pregnancy out of concerns about painful childbirth. If you find out what complications can arise when giving a birth, you may be terrified. Some women go through hours or days of torture. What is 2 - 5 minutes of conscious drowning compared to this?
Whether classic drowning is painful presents mostly a theoretical interest. From the practical point of view, it's not so important, because
1) some people are not as sensitive and afraid of possible pain/discomfort as you can be, and they might consider your level of tolerance to discomfort shamefully weak; what seems "extremely painful" to you may seem like an easy walk for them;
2) those people who are genuinely interested in pain relief most likely can find good means to mitigate discomfort from drowning to bare minimum, while those who are interested in complaining about disadvantages of some method which they dislike can find their own set of reasons explaining why SN is utter crap as well.
NaNO₂ + NH₄Cl ⇄ NaCl + NH₄NO₂
2 NaNO₂ + (NH₄)₂SO₄ ⇄ Na₂SO₄ + 2 NH₄NO₂
The produced ammonium nitrite (NH4NO2) is an unstable salt which decomposes to water and nitrogen at temperatures above 60 - 70 °C:
NH₄NO₂ → 2 H₂O + N₂↑
Now suppose you can precisely measure 13.8 g of sodium nitrite. This is 0.2 mol. At 20°C and pressure of 760 mm Hg, the maximum theoretical amount of produced nitrogen would be
0.2 mol * 24 L/mol = 4.8 L
If your conditions differ from the aforementioned, you can calculate the molar volume using this online calculator https://planetcalc.com/7918/ and then use the resulting value instead of 24 L/mol.
4.8 L can be contained in a sphere having diameter of approximately 20.9 cm. If you collect produced nitrogen in a latex balloon whose shape is very close to spherical, let it cool down to the room temperature, and measure the diameter of the balloon, you can estimate the real yield of nitrogen (there are online calculators like this https://www.sensorsone.com/sphere-diameter-to-volume-calculator/ that can be helpful with volume calculations)
The method of measuring the diameter of an inflated balloon is briefly shown on the following video at timestamp 7:30 (the guy produced nitrous oxide from a mixture of sodium nitrite and hydroxylamine hydrochloride)
For example, if the measured diameter is at least 19.5 cm, this means 80%+ yield at 20°C & 760 mm Hg:
(19.5 cm)³ * π/6 / (4.8 * 1000 cm³) * 100% ≈ 81%
Since the SN protocol assumes that NaNO2 is used in excess, there should be no big difference between doses of 20 g and 25 g. Both are close to LD100, so the 80%+ purity should suffice.
It may be somewhat difficult to measure the sphere diameter precisely enough (because even a small bias in the measured diameter value leads to a noticeably greater bias in volume due to the cubic dependency), so if you want a higher precision, you can use the water displacement method
Since SN poisoning is a CTB method for the lazy, I've never actually seen any users of this forum who used this method of checking SN purity and told about the results. So you could be the first person doing it here ) Only one man reported a successful quality test of his SN using the reaction with NH4Cl (he saw intense bubbling in the hot mixture), but he didn't perform quantitative analysis.
Formation of a different gas than nitrogen that would not be easily detectable is very unlikely. Sodium nitrite potentially may be mixed with a limited set of chemical compounds:
1) sodium chloride (NaCl) - doesn't react with NH4Cl; with (NH4)2SO4 there is just a simple ion exchange without production of gases;
2) sodium nitrate (NaNO3) - some amount of NH4NO3 is formed due to ion exchange, but this compound is pretty stable in hot water solutions and doesn't undergo decomposition into gaseous nitrous oxide there;
3) sodium hydroxide - NH4OH is formed, which may decompose into water and ammonia (NH3), but NH3 has a very pungent smell with low odor threshold, so its presence is easy to notice;
4) sodium carbonate or sodium bicarbonate - a mixture of CO2 and NH3 may be released, but again, the smell of NH3 is very easy to notice.
NH4Cl powders may contain salts of metals or sulfates as impurities, but they won't really form any gases in remarkable amounts upon reacting with the aforementioned compounds.
Formation of NH3 would be a bad sign, because it may indicate the presence of impurities that can cause irritation of the throat when ingesting SN. If you're ready to experience such perceptions and still want to measure the amount of nitrogen without dealing with NH3 and CO2, you can neutralize the alkali/soda with some acid before performing the test.
NH4Cl or (NH4)2SO4 should be taken in excess. For example, 0.2 mol (13.8 g) of NaNO2 reacts with 0.2 mol (10.7 g) of NH4Cl or 0.1 mol (13.2 g) of (NH4)2SO4, and these amounts of NH4Cl or (NH4)2SO4 can be multiplied by 2 - 5 in order to cover possible impurities and speed up the chemical reaction. The unused amount of the reagent will just remain dissolved in the solution and won't affect the precision of the test.
Whether classic drowning is painful presents mostly a theoretical interest. From the practical point of view, it's not so important, because
1) some people are not as sensitive and afraid of possible pain/discomfort as you can be, and they might consider your level of tolerance to discomfort shamefully weak; what seems "extremely painful" to you may seem like an easy walk for them;
2) those people who are genuinely interested in pain relief most likely can find good means to mitigate discomfort from drowning to bare minimum, while those who are interested in complaining about disadvantages of some method which they dislike can find their own set of reasons explaining why SN is utter crap as well.
You have created so many similar threads about drowning and SN that I have some doubts regarding whether you're looking for answers here. But I could try to address your questions nevertheless in hope that the provided info could be interesting for others at least.
IDK what means "reliable" to you. There is a small chance that someone on a boat will spot you and pay attention to your well-being, because you would be alone, without any watercraft, and obviously too far from the seashore. So your plan doesn't look absolutely perfect. If the possibility of being discovered is acceptable for you and you're pretty sure that you're motivated enough, so you won't change your mind at the last moment, then CTB in the described way may be deemed sufficiently reliable, I presume.
If you're so concerned about purity of SN, you can assess the % of useful nitrite using chemical reaction between NaNO2 and NH4Cl (ammonium chloride) or (NH4)2SO4 (ammonium sulfate)
NaNO₂ + NH₄Cl ⇄ NaCl + NH₄NO₂
2 NaNO₂ + (NH₄)₂SO₄ ⇄ Na₂SO₄ + 2 NH₄NO₂
The produced ammonium nitrite (NH4NO2) is an unstable salt which decomposes to water and nitrogen at temperatures above 60 - 70 °C:
NH₄NO₂ → 2 H₂O + N₂↑
Now suppose you can precisely measure 13.8 g of sodium nitrite. This is 0.2 mol. At 20°C and pressure of 760 mm Hg, the maximum theoretical amount of produced nitrogen would be
0.2 mol * 24 L/mol = 4.8 L
If your conditions differ from the aforementioned, you can calculate the molar volume using this online calculator https://planetcalc.com/7918/ and then use the resulting value instead of 24 L/mol.
4.8 L can be contained in a sphere having diameter of approximately 20.9 cm. If you collect produced nitrogen in a latex balloon whose shape is very close to spherical, let it cool down to the room temperature, and measure the diameter of the balloon, you can estimate the real yield of nitrogen (there are online calculators like this https://www.sensorsone.com/sphere-diameter-to-volume-calculator/ that can be helpful with volume calculations)
The method of measuring the diameter of an inflated balloon is briefly shown on the following video at timestamp 7:30 (the guy produced nitrous oxide from a mixture of sodium nitrite and hydroxylamine hydrochloride)
For example, if the measured diameter is at least 19.5 cm, this means 80%+ yield at 20°C & 760 mm Hg:
(19.5 cm)³ * π/6 / (4.8 * 1000 cm³) * 100% ≈ 81%
Since the SN protocol assumes that NaNO2 is used in excess, there should be no big difference between doses of 20 g and 25 g. Both are close to LD100, so the 80%+ purity should suffice.
It may be somewhat difficult to measure the sphere diameter precisely enough (because even a small bias in the measured diameter value leads to a noticeably greater bias in volume due to the cubic dependency), so if you want a higher precision, you can use the water displacement method
Since SN poisoning is a CTB method for the lazy, I've never actually seen any users of this forum who used this method of checking SN purity and told about the results. So you could be the first person doing it here ) Only one man reported a successful quality test of his SN using the reaction with NH4Cl (he saw intense bubbling in the hot mixture), but he didn't perform quantitative analysis.
Formation of a different gas than nitrogen that would not be easily detectable is very unlikely. Sodium nitrite potentially may be mixed with a limited set of chemical compounds:
1) sodium chloride (NaCl) - doesn't react with NH4Cl; with (NH4)2SO4 there is just a simple ion exchange without production of gases;
2) sodium nitrate (NaNO3) - some amount of NH4NO3 is formed due to ion exchange, but this compound is pretty stable in hot water solutions and doesn't undergo decomposition into gaseous nitrous oxide there;
3) sodium hydroxide - NH4OH is formed, which may decompose into water and ammonia (NH3), but NH3 has a very pungent smell with low odor threshold, so its presence is easy to notice;
4) sodium carbonate or sodium bicarbonate - a mixture of CO2 and NH3 may be released, but again, the smell of NH3 is very easy to notice.
NH4Cl powders may contain salts of metals or sulfates as impurities, but they won't really form any gases in remarkable amounts upon reacting with the aforementioned compounds.
Formation of NH3 would be a bad sign, because it may indicate the presence of impurities that can cause irritation of the throat when ingesting SN. If you're ready to experience such perceptions and still want to measure the amount of nitrogen without dealing with NH3 and CO2, you can neutralize the alkali/soda with some acid before performing the test.
NH4Cl or (NH4)2SO4 should be taken in excess. For example, 0.2 mol (13.8 g) of NaNO2 reacts with 0.2 mol (10.7 g) of NH4Cl or 0.1 mol (13.2 g) of (NH4)2SO4, and these amounts of NH4Cl or (NH4)2SO4 can be multiplied by 2 - 5 in order to cover possible impurities and speed up the chemical reaction. The unused amount of the reagent will just remain dissolved in the solution and won't affect the precision of the test.
Sorry but I don't understand any of that, not many people are good at all of that scientific stuff, I don't think it's necessarily because people are lazy, but some might have mental or physical problems that might make it more difficult for them to learn and do very complex stuff, some might not be smart enough to understand all of that, or they might not have enough time because they're desperate to die, there are many different situations and circumstances people are in. I was more curious what you think about sn in general, if you think it's a reliable enough method, if we should trust the sources we buy from who claim sn is pure, such as BO for example who say sn is 98% pure, if after doing the aquarium tests and getting positive results based on the colour charts of the strips is enough. I heard of another way to test its purity by sending a sample of sn to a laboratory to see its percentage of the purity, but I don't think I can do that. I never sent something to a lab before and what if they ask why I own that dangerous chemical, if they ask for proof or a license of why I own it I don't know what I would say, I don't know if just saying that it's for meat curing is enough, I don't think many people have sn. I'm more curious about your opinion of sn as a method, if you think it's a trustworthy method and reliable enough to work and kill you, if you think there are more reliable methods. I know many methods have risks of failure, some of them more than others, it depends on the method, what I mean by reliable isn't necessarily 100% reliable, but at least close to 100%, or as close as it can get, if we say 100% reliable then we agree there's no possible scenario where you could fail. I think the way I described drowning in the original post is reliable enough, maybe not 100% because of that scenario where a boat could possibly find me while I'm alive, but if no one saves me then I think it's reliable enough, I think drowning is one of the most reliable and lethal methods but it's important that no one saves you for the method to work
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