Help SN: Not enough antiemetics

[FlameWhisperer]

So, I finally put my hands on SN! And bonus, could also put my hands on 2 metoclopramide pills and 2 diazepam (similar to valium, it's a benzodiazepine). That is not enough accordingly to the SN protocol on PPH, however, is there any chance that I still might be successful using only 2 meto?

 

[Shadowlord900]

Do you at least have enough SN for 3 glasses? If you do, hopefully those glasses can help make up for however much you vomit up. Because it's been known some people have still vomited after the first glass even when following the protocol perfectly, which is why it's worth making 2 backup glasses just in case. I've never heard of anyone still vomiting after taking the third glass.

 

[FlameWhisperer]

Do you at least have enough SN for 3 glasses? If you do, hopefully those glasses can help make up for however much you vomit up. Because it's been known some people have still vomited after the first glass even when following the protocol perfectly, which is why it's worth making 2 backup glasses just in case. I've never heard of anyone still vomiting after taking the third glass.

I got 1kg of SN on me, I think that's enough for more than that, given the protocol mentions 25g per glass right?

Speaking of that, I saw someone in a previous post talking how the calculus is (180 x 2 x body_weight)/1000, that gives me 18g as a result for the correct dosage. Should I follow this calculus or should I follow PPH that tells me I should take 25g?

 

[Shadowlord900]

I got 1kg of SN on me, I think that's enough for more than that, given the protocol mentions 25g per glass right?

Speaking of that, I saw someone in a previous post talking how the calculus is (180 x 2 x body_weight)/1000, that gives me 18g as a result for the correct dosage. Should I follow this calculus or should I follow PPH that tells me I should take 25g?

1kg of SN is plentiful! Do you happen to know what purity it is? I think anything above 98% should be good. (95% might still be fine, dunno.)

It also might be worth taking a look at the graph below:

I can't say which is the most definitive source if multiple of them conflict with each other. Most people who are of medium weight tend to take 25g because it's better to take too much than to take too little.

 

[FlameWhisperer]

1kg of SN is plentiful! Do you happen to know what purity it is? I think anything above 98% should be good. (95% might still be fine, dunno.)

I still haven't seen the package because I didn't want to have the order being traceable back to me, so I haven't picked it up yet, however, from the vendor information, it is 99% purity.

As soon as I can go get the package I will also do a blood test just in case, but from my knowledge about this vendor, I should have no issues and it should indeed be 99% purity.

It also might be worth taking a look at the graph below:

Yeah, that graph goes along that calculus, it matches, but doesn't match the PPH protocol. I guess I will follow PPH just in case and take 25g instead of 18g.

I've never heard of anyone still vomiting after taking the third glass.

This made me think. What really makes this method fail then? I am really curious about it, because, from what I can see about this method, it will definitely be successful for me even if I puke, I will just keep shoving SN down on me until it does the trick. But since there is also a chance of it failing, I wonder about it. I think I would be much more relaxed when I CTB if I know there is not a big chance of failure to this method. What makes me anxious is not the idea of CTB, is the idea of failing, really... I appreciate all your help you are providing.

 

[lukas19]

So, I finally put my hands on SN! And bonus, could also put my hands on 2 metoclopramide pills and 2 diazepam (similar to valium, it's a benzodiazepine). That is not enough accordingly to the SN protocol on PPH, however, is there any chance that I still might be successful using only 2 meto?

I'm gonna use prochloperazine as my AE, it's OTC in UK, might be the same in your country?

 

[Shadowlord900]

This made me think. What really makes this method fail then? I am really curious about it, because, from what I can see about this method, it will definitely be successful for me even if I puke, I will just keep shoving SN down on me until it does the trick. But since there is also a chance of it failing, I wonder about it. I think I would be much more relaxed when I CTB if I know there is not a big chance of failure to this method. What makes me anxious is not the idea of CTB, is the idea of failing, really... I appreciate all your help you are providing.

Most SN failures are a result of:

1) Not taking a second glass after vomiting out the first one
2) Accidentally taking Sodium Nitrate instead of Sodium Nitrite (They both share the same initials so it's easy to get them mixed up, and admittedly this forum has a bad habit of using acronyms and abbreviations, I'm guilty of that too)
3) Not getting the right dosage (Not using enough)
4) Changing their mind and calling for help

 

[FlameWhisperer]

'm gonna use prochloperazine as my AE, it's OTC in UK, might be the same in your country?

I don't think those are sold in my country anymore, but I'll try to see what I can dig about it. Thanks for the suggestion, would this one be preferable than meto?

I know I can't mix this one with meto, so there's that.

Most SN failures are a result of:

1) Not taking a second glass after vomiting out the first one
2) Accidentally taking Sodium Nitrate instead of Sodium Nitrite (They both share the same initials so it's easy to get them mixed up, and admittedly this forum has a bad habit of using acronyms and abbreviations, I'm guilty of that too)
3) Not getting the right dosage (Not using enough)
4) Changing their mind and calling for help

This is a HUGE relief, you have no idea. Lately, my sleep has been distressed due to the fact I keep thinking I might fail it, and I really don't want to deal with the aftermath of failing to CTB.

Calling for help is something I really know I won't do it - in fact, I will take precautions in the eventuality that there is any kind of pain that I find unbearable and makes me want to ask for help just for it to stop (I won't have any device near me, for example, that will allow me to call for help, as I will format my phone, and break my SIM card).

Other than that, if the problem is not getting SN but Nitrate, or not following the protocol, then that's something that won't happen, as I will be sure to even get a scale just so that I am 100% sure I am taking the right dosages.

Thank you so much, you just took a huge load out of my shoulders.

 

[lukas19]

I don't think those are sold in my country anymore, but I'll try to see what I can dig about it. Thanks for the suggestion, would this one be preferable than meto?

I know I can't mix this one with meto, so there's that.

This is a HUGE relief, you have no idea. Lately, my sleep has been distressed due to the fact I keep thinking I might fail it, and I really don't want to deal with the aftermath of failing to CTB.

Calling for help is something I really know I won't do it - in fact, I will take precautions in the eventuality that there is any kind of pain that I find unbearable and makes me want to ask for help just for it to stop (I won't have any device near me, for example, that will allow me to call for help, as I will format my phone, and break my SIM card).

Other than that, if the problem is not getting SN but Nitrate, or not following the protocol, then that's something that won't happen, as I will be sure to even get a scale just so that I am 100% sure I am taking the right dosages.

Thank you so much, you just took a huge load out of my shoulders.

No i reckon meto is stronger (only coz its precription only) but both are dopimine blockers and both are listed as AE in Stan's thread and PPH

 

[yive]

you can succeed even without using antiemetics at all, just prepare several glasses, the most important thing is not to be found too early. SN is a reliable method

 

[FlameWhisperer]

No i reckon meto is stronger (only coz its precription only) but both are dopimine blockers and both are listed as AE in Stan's thread and PPH

I see, I don't remember seeing it mentioned in PPH now that I think about it. I will try to dig more info about it on my country and if it's possible to acquire, I will so consider it just in case.

you can succeed even without using antiemetics at all, just prepare several glasses, the most important thing is not to be found too early. SN is a reliable method

Seems to make sense.

1) Not taking a second glass after vomiting out the first one

Should I just immediately drink the next glass right after I vomit, or should I take some minutes to calm my body down before taking it? Is there really a difference?

 

[Shadowlord900]

Should I just immediately drink the next glass right after I vomit, or should I take some minutes to calm my body down before taking it? Is there really a difference?

Drink the next glass as soon as you feel like you have stopped vomiting. But I think leaving it more then a few minutes (or even a couple) could be risky.

 

[FlameWhisperer]

Drink the next glass as soon as you feel like you have stopped vomiting. But I think leaving it more then a few minutes (or even a couple) could be risky.

Thank you, once again. This has been quite useful. :)

 

[Sideways Glance]

Most SN failures are a result of:

1) Not taking a second glass after vomiting out the first one
2) Accidentally taking Sodium Nitrate instead of Sodium Nitrite (They both share the same initials so it's easy to get them mixed up, and admittedly this forum has a bad habit of using acronyms and abbreviations, I'm guilty of that too)
3) Not getting the right dosage (Not using enough)
4) Changing their mind and calling for help

I'm going to CTB with SN in June, your advice on a lot of these posts have been super helpful to me. Thank you for the work you're doing on here Shadowlord.

 

[FlameWhisperer]

I'm going to CTB with SN in June, your advice on a lot of these posts have been super helpful to me. Thank you for the work you're doing on here Shadowlord.

I hope you have a nice trip, whichever you end up choosing.

Hopefully, my bus arrives next Friday, just taking care of everything I need to make sure I do the best I can to not miss the bus.

 

[Sideways Glance]

I hope you have a nice trip, whichever you end up choosing.

Hopefully, my bus arrives next Friday, just taking care of everything I need to make sure I do the best I can to not miss the bus.

I wish you safe passage as well and that your preparation will pay off. <3 this won't be easy, but you can tell you're doing the right thing.