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[Ulisses]

I'm finding it strange that news and reports about the use of SN appear out of nowhere, trying to put it as a painful and terrible method. it seems to me that they want to discredit the method

 

[Kumachan]

what are you even trying to say?

 

[FluffyDove]

I don't understand your post, sorry OP

 

[Ulisses]

what are you even trying to say?

that every day someone posts something negative about sn based on the news, when no error is reported in the members. this causes a distrust of the method.

 

[Kumachan]

that every day someone posts something negative about sn based on the news, when no error is reported in the members. this causes a distrust of the method.

yes now i understand, looks like it

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I responded to the OP's concern in a current thread where the same concern was expressed after a questionable medical journal report was shared. I would respond exactly the same here, including to reference that other thread, so I am quoting myself with no edits. Clicking on the arrow at the top of the quote will lead to the other thread if one wants a fuller picture of what's happening on the forum right now.

So the article, while peer reviewed, clearly shows an agenda and disinformation. Which means the publishers of the journal have an agenda.

These are the exact same reasons why I caution against believing everything in the PPH just because it's written by a doctor. He doesn't provide evidential support for his claims or his rationale for peacefulness and reliability ratings. He runs businesses: a book, seminars, Max Dog. He ain't no tireless, selfless saint.

It's like being hit from both sides. No one in a position of power is genuinely on our sides.

And fear of SN becoming unavailable just makes it more desirable and appear more reliable, much as the accessibility of the PPH is limited.

On the forum, some folks have genuine concerns and fears about the method, and in response, some defend it more emotionally than factually, cherry picking the evidence and sources to support their defense. I get so tired of battling against it, it just keeps going. Others spread fear, like the repeating trend @SpottedPanda is picking up on -- they're not always people saying, "Hey, something's off," but a concerted effort from multiple directions to heighten fear, which means folks are more easy to manipulate in that state. I strongly suggest you recognize when you're in that state and step back from what's happening until you can get back to a state of being able to think critically.

How then to manage all this?

Take responsibility for your own death, your own wants, and your own goals. If you don't have the skills to read and understand how to accomplish the method, how to determine the potential symptoms and risks, and make an analysis about the reliability of information presented, either don't do the method, or take the risk at your own reward or peril. If something smells off, respect that. It's your instincts protecting you. The smell of bullshit means bullshit, and while it may fertilize flowers, they are just a diversion, the bullshit wasn't spread for them. Don't let your desires overwhelm your safety when your gut says you feel unsafe.

If you feel helpless about this, simply don't do the method. If you don't feel confident and in control of your ctb, you're more likely to fail or, in the case of this method, have to recover with outside intervention, which, based on your personal situation, could fuck up your life even worse. If you also feel helpless because you don't know what else to do, I get that. So many are in the same situation. All I can say is do your best to not let it push you into what your gut says is not safe or you're not sufficiently prepared to do. Find a cope. Keep researching reliable methods that are simpler. Desensitize yourself to them, like leaving out a rope and getting use to seeing it, play with making knots, watch videos. This is not encouragement to ctb, but empowerment to to be able to do as you choose. Who knows, you could overcome the fear of a method and realize there are a lot of other fears that you would be capable of overcoming and no longer seek to end your life because of them if fear is what motivates your voice to suicide.

TL;DR

If you need a TL;DR version of this comment, seriously, compassionately, I don't think it's wise for you to mess with SN. It's more complicated than reading and comprehending this post. There are a lot of variables to consider. I suggest instead that you try to read my last paragraph above this one, that starts, "If you feel helpless about this." Take your time with it. Ask me to clarify/simplify if there's something unclear about it. I'm happy to do so.

Also for reference, the following link is to a current thread, also posted today, in which the OP is claiming an extremely painful and previously unreported reaction to SN, to which I believe the OP of this thread here, @Ulisses, is also referring:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-drank-the-sn-last-night.40623/

 

[Ulisses]

I responded to the OP's concern in a current thread where the same concern was expressed after a questionable medical journal report was shared. I would respond exactly the same here, including to reference that other thread, so I am quoting myself with no edits. Clicking on the arrow at the top of the quote will lead to the other thread if one wants a fuller picture of what's happening on the forum right now.




Also for reference, the following link is to a current thread, also posted today, in which the OP is claiming an extremely painful and previously unreported reaction to SN, to which I believe the OP of this thread here, @Ulisses, is also referring:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-drank-the-sn-last-night.40623/

Yes. In this post today that you cited depreciates and discredits the most talked about method on the forum SN.

 

[lostangel]

Yes, I think they are trying to make it seem painful so people won't go through with it. A pro-lifer tactic we won't fall for.

 

[Ulisses]

Yes, I think they are trying to make it seem painful so people won't go through with it. A pro-lifer tactic we won't fall for.

I'm coming to that conclusion too. but I will be firm and use the SN method.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm coming to that conclusion too. but I will be firm and use the SN method.

I hope you won't use this as a push to do the method, either. There's lots of psychological games being played right now. I addressed that in my quote I posted above. It's best to think for oneself and come to a conclusion on their own without being pushed by emotional manipulation to act in either direction.

I'm not implying you're doing that, just cautioning you to be aware if perhaps you are. Likewise cautioning if anyone else finds themselves acting based on rebellion, rather than as a result of critical thinking based on doing their research and being as informed as they can be before proceeding.

 

[Ulisses]

I hope you won't use this as a push to do the method, either. There's lots of psychological games being played right now. I addressed that in my quote I posted above. It's best to think for oneself and come to a conclusion on their own without being pushed by emotional manipulation to act in either direction.

I'm not implying you're doing that, just cautioning you to be aware if perhaps you are. Likewise cautioning if anyone else finds themselves acting based on rebellion, rather than as a result of critical thinking based on doing their research and being as informed as they can be before proceeding.

I'm doing it for myself. I've read Stan's guide several times, and I'm already determined to use sn as a ctb and decide that he's peaceful. off and not waking up anymore is what matters.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm doing it for myself. I've read Stan's guide several times, and I'm already determined to use sn as a ctb and decide that he's peaceful. off and not waking up anymore is what matters.

Glad to know you've done your research and are making a decision based on that, not others' influence.

To all others who read this comment (edit: it's not directed at @Ulisses or about him/her):

I would advise others to also get fully informed before acting, such as reading the anecdotal accounts of successes and failures, as well as the SN FAQ. Just as there are claims that SN is horrific, which is a powerful motivation to abandon the method, so are there claims that it is almost as peaceful as N, a powerful motivator to attempt without researching if that's true because one wants it to be. In both cases, there is a risk of confirmation bias leading to a potentially bad decision. Therefore, it is wise in both cases to analyze what is said for accuracy, as well as to check their guts to sense if there is an agenda.

One needs to come to conclusions for themselves based on research and knowing what to expect and whether or not they can manage the symptoms. Stan's Guide lists symptoms but basically says they're not that bad, while anecdotal accounts indicate that some people experience them as bad enough to abort. It's subjective. One needs to know if they can personally manage, for instance, the strong seawater taste, burning throat, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, tachycardia, or restricted breathing such as an asthmatic response. Then they need to consider what supplemental medications they would need if they can't manage such symptoms, and how they will respond if the medications still do not sufficiently alleviate the symptoms. They also need to consider if they can manage the outcomes if they abort due to symptoms or unexpected fear from having made an attempt, such as hospitalization, being sectioned, and others irl finding out about the attempt.

It seems that following the basics of the guide will guarantee success if one is not interrupted and does not seek intervention because they cannot manage symptoms or abort out of fear.

The basics: 25g SN (1 heaping measuring tablespoon or 3 measuring teaspoons, not eating spoons) mixed with 50 ml water (1/4 measuring cup), after 4-8 hours of fasting. No interruption for four hours after consuming the SN.

That's it.

All other medications are for comfort and to attempt to alleviate symptoms.

 

[Ulisses]

Glad to know you've done your research and are making a decision based on that, not others' influence.

To all others who read this comment:

I would advise others to also get fully informed before acting, such as reading the anecdotal accounts of successes and failures, as well as the SN FAQ. Just as there are claims that SN is horrific, which is a powerful motivation to abandon the method, so are there claims that it is almost as peaceful as N, a powerful motivator to attempt without researching if that's true because one wants it to be. In both cases, there is a risk of confirmation bias leading to a potentially bad decision. Therefore, it is wise in both cases to analyze what is said for accuracy, as well as to check their guts to sense if there is an agenda.

One needs to come to conclusions for themselves based on research and knowing what to expect and whether or not they can manage the symptoms. Stan's Guide lists symptoms but basically says they're not that bad, while anecdotal accounts indicate that some people experience them as bad enough to abort. It's subjective. One needs to know if they can personally manage, for instance, the strong seawater taste, burning throat, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, tachycardia, or restricted breathing such as an asthmatic response. Then they need to consider what supplemental medications they would need if they can't manage such symptoms, and how they will respond if the medications still do not sufficiently alleviate the symptoms. They also need to consider if they can manage the outcomes if they abort due to symptoms or unexpected fear from having made an attempt, such as hospitalization, being sectioned, and others irl finding out about the attempt.

It seems that following the basics of the guide will guarantee success if one is not interrupted and does not seek intervention because they cannot manage symptoms or abort out of fear.

The basics: 25g SN (1 heaping measuring tablespoon or 3 measuring teaspoons, not eating spoons) mixed with 50 ml water (1/4 measuring cup), after 4-8 hours of fasting. No interruption for four hours after consuming the SN.

That's it.

All other medications are for comfort and to attempt to alleviate symptoms.
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make mine as your words.

 

[Alec]

Yeah I agree, I think they are trying to discredit the morbid and scare people who think about using SN.

 

[Ulisses]

Yeah I agree, I think they are trying to discredit the morbid and scare people who think about using SN.

so you can try SN to see the effects they have on me. I will list here my experience on the forum. hoping to end up in Quarantine to travel.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

make your words like mine.

Huh? I don't understand your comment.

 

[Quarky00]

so you can try SN to see the effects they have on me. I will list here my experience on the forum. hoping to end up in Quarantine to travel.

Please don't .

Don't try SN to see the effects ..

 

[TriangleSquare]

what are you even trying to say?

Wow didn't your parents teach you manners huh

 

[Ulisses]

Huh? I don't understand your comment.

make mine as your words.

Please don't .

Don't try SN to see the effects ..

ok i will follow your advice

 

[Quarky00]

I'm finding it strange that news and reports about the use of SN appear out of nowhere, trying to put it as a painful and terrible method. it seems to me that they want to discredit the method

Could please refer to what you're speaking about ?

I saw a member ""trying" SN , and some forensic report , and that pretty much it . So I'll be glad to hear more .

I did not find the forensic report suggesting painful and terrible method . I don't think they want to discredit but warn . Same for the other post , I found it genuine and without malice -- the situation , context , and feelings had their faults . I don't think OP had intent to discredit method . I don't think their account is strange because it was conveyed here before by "SN testers" that took a sip and were alarmed . It's literally a near death experience , and when the intake is performed without awareness and consideration it will feel terrible .

You are right to sense there is something wrong . We should ask what exactly these people felt or what exactly were they aiming at

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

make mine as your words.

Ah, I think you are using a colloquialism that doesn't translate well to English since we don't use the same phrase.

Are you saying, "I agree with what @GoodPersonEffed said as if I said it myself?"

 

[Living sucks]

Wow didn't your parents teach you manners huh

sometimes you have to give people understanding with language barriers. Sometimes it comes across as rude when it's not meant that way.
might not be the case here but best to give benefit of doubt

Could please refer to what you're speaking about ?

I saw a member ""trying" SN , and some forensic report , and that pretty much it . So I'll be glad to hear more .

I did not find the forensic report suggesting painful and terrible method . I don't think they want to discredit but warn . Same for the other post , I found it genuine and without malice -- the situation , context , and feelings had their faults . I don't think OP had intent to discredit method . I don't think their account is strange because it was conveyed here before by "SN testers" that took a sip and were alarmed . It's literally a near death experience , and when the intake is performed without awareness and consideration it will feel terrible .

You are right to sense there is something wrong . We should ask what exactly these people felt or what exactly were they aiming at

See post 6 in this message

 

[Ulisses]

Ah, I think you are using a colloquialism that doesn't translate well to English since we don't use the same phrase.

Are you saying, "I agree with what @GoodPersonEffed said as if I said it myself?"

that's right. you are right

Could please refer to what you're speaking about ?

I saw a member ""trying" SN , and some forensic report , and that pretty much it . So I'll be glad to hear more .

I did not find the forensic report suggesting painful and terrible method . I don't think they want to discredit but warn . Same for the other post , I found it genuine and without malice -- the situation , context , and feelings had their faults . I don't think OP had intent to discredit method . I don't think their account is strange because it was conveyed here before by "SN testers" that took a sip and were alarmed . It's literally a near death experience , and when the intake is performed without awareness and consideration it will feel terrible .

You are right to sense there is something wrong . We should ask what exactly these people felt or what exactly were they aiming at

since pain is subjective, I wanted to leave my impression about the use of SN.