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AnotherSadDay

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Hi guys.
I've read the different posts and threads about the SN method, and I was able to find the pph from 2022, where I could see that those recomendations are almost the same that show the threads.
My questions is: this recommendations are the same throught the years orcits just that people from here havent being able to obtain the newest version?
 
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Hello, glad to share my input as I do have access to the most recent PPEH via membership. There are four notable changes,

  1. The Use of B Blocker Propranolol has now been advised, specific dose is 400mg, taken 40 mins prior to SN intake.
  2. Additional section called " Analogues " explores SN counterparts that are equally effective and more accessible, that is Potassium Nitrite ( KNO2 ), other nitrites that may offer significant end of life potential includes calcium nitrite, barium nitrite and lithium nitrite none of which are subject to specific restriction.
  3. Second additional section called " Eye Witness Accounts " confirms more than 40 nitrite deaths, all were reported peaceful.
  4. SN downgraded from 7 to 6 in terms of Peacefulness on the RP Table.
The rest of the section remained the same. Hope you find everything you're looking for.
 
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AnotherSadDay

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Hello, glad to share my input as I do have access to the most recent PPEH via membership. There are four notable changes,

  1. The Use of B Blocker Propranolol has now been advised, specific dose is 400mg, taken 40 mins prior to SN intake.
  2. Additional section called " Analogues " explores SN counterparts that are equally effective and more accessible, that is Potassium Nitrite ( KNO2 ), other nitrites that may offer significant end of life potential includes calcium nitrite, barium nitrite and lithium nitrite none of which are subject to specific restriction.
  3. Second additional section called " Eye Witness Accounts " confirms more than 40 nitrite deaths, all were reported peaceful.
  4. SN downgraded from 7 to 6 in terms of Peacefulness on the RP Table.
The rest of the section remained the same. Hope you find everything you're looking for.
Thank you so much for the update

One more question if I dont bother, the benz are still recommended I suppose, but the books mention some analogue?
 
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One more question if I dont bother, the benz are still recommended I suppose, but the books mention some analogue?
Unsure if you mean analogue to benzos or SN, for SN yes as I mentioned but benzos no. In case you need alternatives to benzos, I would recommend checking out this thread.
 
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AnotherSadDay

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Unsure if you mean analogue to benzos or SN, for SN yes as I mentioned but benzos no. In case you need alternatives to benzos, I would recommend checking out this thread.
Thank you so much.
I havent see that thread before.
 
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Jun 2, 2024
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Hello, glad to share my input as I do have access to the most recent PPEH via membership. There are four notable changes,

  1. The Use of B Blocker Propranolol has now been advised, specific dose is 400mg, taken 40 mins prior to SN intake.
  2. Additional section called " Analogues " explores SN counterparts that are equally effective and more accessible, that is Potassium Nitrite ( KNO2 ), other nitrites that may offer significant end of life potential includes calcium nitrite, barium nitrite and lithium nitrite none of which are subject to specific restriction.
  3. Second additional section called " Eye Witness Accounts " confirms more than 40 nitrite deaths, all were reported peaceful.
  4. SN downgraded from 7 to 6 in terms of Peacefulness on the RP Table.
The rest of the section remained the same. Hope you find everything you're looking for.
thank you for this. if you haven't already, considering dropping this in the main pph thread? (assuming there is one, i'm out of it) im sure a lot of people would appreciate it.
 
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thank you for this. if you haven't already, considering dropping this in the main pph thread? (assuming there is one, i'm out of it) im sure a lot of people would appreciate it.
No problem! I've considered it but I'm not sure how to do it exactly, perhaps you could give me a few pointers via PM?
 
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PhDone

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Hello, glad to share my input as I do have access to the most recent PPEH via membership. There are four notable changes,

  1. The Use of B Blocker Propranolol has now been advised, specific dose is 400mg, taken 40 mins prior to SN intake.
  2. Additional section called " Analogues " explores SN counterparts that are equally effective and more accessible, that is Potassium Nitrite ( KNO2 ), other nitrites that may offer significant end of life potential includes calcium nitrite, barium nitrite and lithium nitrite none of which are subject to specific restriction.
  3. Second additional section called " Eye Witness Accounts " confirms more than 40 nitrite deaths, all were reported peaceful.
  4. SN downgraded from 7 to 6 in terms of Peacefulness on the RP Table.
The rest of the section remained the same. Hope you find everything you're looking for.
Thanks for this. Thats interesting re the peacefulness downgraded yet 40 cases say peaceful deaths. It does, however, match discussion on this forum that suggests its likely there will be significant vomiting. Is there anything else in the new edition higher in peacefulness (with same reliability)? I guess DDMA and N? But we know D would involve such large pill count in a diy version.
 
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DOHARDTHINGS24

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Apr 30, 2024
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Hello, glad to share my input as I do have access to the most recent PPEH via membership.
Hi
Apologies for hijacking thread, but I don't know anyone with access to the most recent PPEH & was hoping you could help. Only if you want to or are comfortable, of course, sorry.
I'm taking prochlorperazine as my AE.
I read the PPH 2022 sticky thread in resources that has a preview.
On page 100 of that version, it says 20mg of prochlorperazine.
But in the table on page 98, it says 10-20mg.
Is there any updated advice on prochlorperazine in the latest version?
Or is it still the 2 conflicting dosages?
Any help appreciated - I'd really, really love to know.
Thanks.
 
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Is there anything else in the new edition higher in peacefulness (with same reliability)? I guess DDMA and N? But we know D would involve such large pill count in a diy version.
There's only been one new addition to the RP table and that's the Sacro, it has a reliability of 10 and peacefulness 8. The rest of the scores have since remained the same.

Is there any updated advice on prochlorperazine in the latest version?
Unfortunately, there is not, the recommendations are the same as you described. The supplementary drug section has not received any new changes.
 
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And not need antiacide?

Frightening to 7 to 6 in peacefullness...

Because of tatyccardia, difficult to breathe?
 
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AnotherSadDay

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Correct, antacids are not advised.


Presumably, the PPEH doesn't go into detail explaining why the change in peacefulness score.
Hi, its me again
The ppeh mention something about purity of sn? I have read that >= 95 works, but some say 98
 
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DOHARDTHINGS24

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Apr 30, 2024
571
Unfortunately, there is not, the recommendations are the same as you described. The supplementary drug section has not received any new changes.
That's still super helpful. Thank you. I appreciate it.
Frightening to 7 to 6 in peacefullness...

Because of tatyccardia, difficult to breathe?
I'm bummed that that changed.
I'm thrilled it's still peaceful & reliable, though. That's what is most important to me.
I've wrapped my head around the fact there may be pain & vomiting & it may not be an elegant death & that's ok, for me.
I'm still scared of SI & fucking it up from bad brain.
We've all got our shit to deal with, our own crosses to bear, choosing what is & is not acceptable to us, from what is available to us - I wish there was a better option for me, but I am very old & was raised with "if wishes were horses, beggars would ride" - to be clear, I'm the beggar 🤣.
And yet another post, that started with a point I've now forgotten, sorry...
 
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paparoach

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Bumping for coverage, as this thread contains important information for SN Method.

I've wrapped my head around the fact there may be pain & vomiting & it may not be an elegant death & that's ok, for me.

The peacefulness downgrade is potentially because a lot of people, including myself, contemplate not using Benzos in preperation.

Because of that, there may have been increased reports of worry/anxiety/panic, in lieu of conscious vomitting, increased heart rate and difficulty breathing.

It's up to people to follow the publicised method as best they can, and every deviation from results in more pain. It's food for thought.
 
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AnotherSadDay

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Bumping for coverage, as this thread contains important information for SN Method.



The peacefulness downgrade is potentially because a lot of people, including myself, contemplate not using Benzos in preperation.

Because of that, there may have been increased reports of worry/anxiety/panic, in lieu of vomitting, increased heart rate and difficulty breathing.

It's up to people to follow the publicised method as best they can, and every deviation from results in more pain. It's food for thought.
Yeah, I also think that the downgrade is caused by the symptoms you experience in the time it takes to be unconscious knowing that benzos are very controlled in almost every country. I cant get access to them where Im from.
 
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paparoach

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benzos are very controlled in almost every country. I cant get access to them where Im from.

The same here, Benzos used to be like sweeties handed out in the Doctor's reception, now society has seen the damage they cause, especially with abrupt stopping, and no tapering.

In the UK, Valium/Diazepam is a Class 3 controlled substance: to order SN, which itself carries a risk of a health checkup by police, only to then have a restricted substance in the post from a seperate source lined up for receipt, almost defeats the purpose.

With the reintroduction to SN Method of Propranolol as a beta-blocker, I'd like to highlight it's anti-anxiety properties because I haven't seen this affect mentioned here at all, but I know that isn't it's intended purpose, it's purpose is to limit heart palpitation.
 
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AnotherSadDay

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With the reintroduction to SN Method of Propranolol as a beta-blocker, I'd like to highlight it's anti-anxiety properties because I haven't seen this affect mentioned here at all, but I know that isn't it's intended purpose, it's purpose is to limit heart palpitation.
Yes, thankfully thats an OTC medication where I live.
I also saw that you have another AE that looks very promising, but sadly it isn't sold here
 
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paparoach

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I also saw that you have another AE that looks very promising, but sadly it isn't sold here
And the unfortunate potential truth is, it doesn't matter what AE is taken, everyone probably vomits.

That's why I believe the concentration of SN in Water/ml for PPHB is double to that of Stan's Guide.

PPHB anticipates vomiting and tries to cover it, Stan's Guide tries to minimise vomiting in the first place, but has no mitigation other than "another cup."


Sometimes there just isn't escaping disgust and pain, there's just masking it, accepting it, and going unconscious with it.

Oh how I'd love for SN Method to recommend eating 1gr of Hashish 6hrs prior...

The more of us here try to simply things, the more of us complicate it.

I've recieved my base ingredient SN, I'll try gather the supplementaries over the next 2 weeks.
 
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And the unfortunate potential truth is, it doesn't matter what AE is taken, everyone probably vomits.

That's why I believe the concentration of PPHB is double to that of Stan's Guide.

Sometimes there just isn't escaping disgust and pain, there's just masking it, accepting it, and going unconscious with it.

Oh how I'd love for SN Method to recommend eating 1gr of Hashish 6hrs prior...

The more of us here try to simply things, the more of us complicate it.

I've recieved my base ingredient SN, I'll try gather the supplementaries over the next 2 weeks.
Do you plan to add propranolol to the supplementsries protocol?
 
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paparoach

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Do you plan to add propranolol to the supplementsries protocol?
Now, yes, because I know I can source this from the same place as Benzos.

I think the 2025 Peacefulness Downgrade is a Wake Up Call. The 15mins in limbo isn't as painfree as we thought.

We need all the ingredients in place, or there's no recipe at all. I'll spend an additional 2 weeks getting everything together.

Whilst that's easy for me to say, it's not easy for others. If you found your way here, you can find everything you need.

Having said this, will I stick with Promethazine as an Anti-Emetic? Yes. I believe it works all the same as Metoclopramide or Prochlorperazine,

Without me having to ask for it in name, but still adding sedationary properties. That's my deviation.
 
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AnotherSadDay

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And the unfortunate potential truth is, it doesn't matter what AE is taken, everyone probably vomits.

That's why I believe the concentration of SN in Water/ml for PPHB is double to that of Stan's Guide.

PPHB anticipates vomiting and tries to cover it, Stan's Guide tries to minimise vomiting in the first place.


Sometimes there just isn't escaping disgust and pain, there's just masking it, accepting it, and going unconscious with it.

Oh how I'd love for SN Method to recommend eating 1gr of Hashish 6hrs prior...

The more of us here try to simply things, the more of us complicate it.

I've recieved my base ingredient SN, I'll try gather the supplementaries over the next 2 weeks.
Same here.
Today I get the SN and all the other supplements. I'm going to try to get the benzos and see what I can get.
 
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paparoach

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Same here.
Today I get the SN and all the other supplements. I'm going to try to get the benzos and see what I can get.

May peace be with you, may peace be with all.
 
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usernamenoonecares

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May peace be with you, may peace be with all.
I have get SN. I hope that I one I got was the real one. Could you please check this post to help me identify if it is real?

Testing if the SN I bought is real

Also when you guys keep mentioning other supplements and benzos. I have little understanding besides just SN and N. Would you mind sharing that where I can find other ingredients? Thanks
 
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paparoach

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I have get SN. I hope that I one I got was the real one. Could you please check this post to help me identify if it is real?

Testing if the SN I bought is real

Also when you guys keep mentioning other supplements and benzos. I have little understanding besides just SN and N. Would you mind sharing that where I can find other ingredients? Thanks

We can't mention sources. Everything I buy is off clearnet pharmacies I trust, but the clearnet available to me, isn't the same clearnet sources available to others.

You've kept your SN for around 1 year now, I'd advise you to retest your SN which I believe hasn't degraded, and to otherwise (re)purchase the necesesary supplementary drugs from darkmarkets.

Each of our availabilities is different, we can't mitigate that. If you found your way here, you can find the ingredients.
 
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usernamenoonecares

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We can't mention sources. Everything I buy is off the clearnet, but the clearnet available to me, isn't the same clearnet sources available to others. You've kept your SN for around 1 year now, I'd advise you to retest your SN which I believe hasn't degraded, and to otherwise (re)purchase the necesesary supplementary drugs from darkmarkets. Each of our availabilities is different, we can't mitigate that.
So the SN was real then? I have an extra unopened bag. If needed, I will purchase a new one.
 
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paparoach

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So the SN was real then? I have an extra unopened bag. If needed, I will purchase a new one.
The test-strip purple is very purple, that's a good reading to match, but that was in 2024. How about today? What does the same test show today? I would hope it's the same.

If you have a closed bag, I'd consider it good especially if it's been kept out of sunlight, but you need to read this entire thread: only having 1 ingredient does not itself make a cake.
 
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The test-strip purple is very purple, that's a good reading to match. But what testing from that open bag reads today, well, I would hope it's the same.

If you have a close bad, I'd consider it good, if it's been kept out of sunlight, but you need to read this entire thread: only having 1 ingredient does not itself make a cake.
I don't know where to buy other ingradients. Will over-counter anti-nausea meds also work? I saw people were using Diphenhydramine, and I just bought it off amazon too.
 
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NitrogenAfternoon

Finding My Peace
Jan 20, 2025
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Hello, glad to share my input as I do have access to the most recent PPEH via membership. There are four notable changes,

  1. The Use of B Blocker Propranolol has now been advised, specific dose is 400mg, taken 40 mins prior to SN intake.
  2. Additional section called " Analogues " explores SN counterparts that are equally effective and more accessible, that is Potassium Nitrite ( KNO2 ), other nitrites that may offer significant end of life potential includes calcium nitrite, barium nitrite and lithium nitrite none of which are subject to specific restriction.
  3. Second additional section called " Eye Witness Accounts " confirms more than 40 nitrite deaths, all were reported peaceful.
  4. SN downgraded from 7 to 6 in terms of Peacefulness on the RP Table.
The rest of the section remained the same. Hope you find everything you're looking for.

Thank you for sharing. I received my SN today, and was feeling really happy but now sort of deflated seeing it go a bit lower in regards to how peaceful it is. Did they give any reasoning as to why that is?
 
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paparoach

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I don't know where to buy other ingradients. Will over-counter anti-nausea meds also work? I saw people were using Diphenhydramine, and I just bought it off amazon too.
It's your own research. There are search functionality available here.
Thank you for sharing. I received my SN today, and was feeling really happy but now sort of deflated seeing it go a bit lower in regards to how peaceful it is. Did they give any reasoning as to why that is?

Read the thread, for me it justs emphaises you need all the ingredients, not just one ingredient.
 
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