Sn killing feral pig trials

[Justanotherconsumer]

Writings of findings on sn poisoning in the feral hog population, it appears massive quantities of sn provide for a humane death. Looks like 150g. SN Per 3 pigs was used in the trials. Average time to death was 59 minutes in some trials. Below is the study.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...itrite_as_a_new_tool_for_feral_pig_management

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Writings of findings on sn poisoning in the feral hog population, it appears massive quantities of sn provide for a humane death. Looks like 150g. SN Per 3 pigs was used in the trials. Average time to death was 59 minutes in some trials. Below is the study.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...itrite_as_a_new_tool_for_feral_pig_management

Pigs severely lack the enzyme we possess to break down the SN so as to minimise Methb and as such SN is much more lethal and peaceful to them.

http://www.thepineywoods.com/FatalBaitAug14.htm

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Pigs severely lack the enzyme we possess to break down the SN so as to minimise Methb and as such SN is much more lethal and peaceful to them.

http://www.thepineywoods.com/FatalBaitAug14.htm

True ,but our methb reductase is easily overcome, with a lethal dose.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

True ,but our methb reductase is easily overcome, with a lethal dose.

Could be, but what is a lethal dose? 15g as per latest PPH?

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Could be, but what is a lethal dose? 15g as per latest PPH?

Thats what they suggest, i think upping the dose wouldent be a bad idea though, the pigs were only 36kg.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Thats what they suggest, i think upping the dose wouldent be a bad idea though, the pigs were only 36kg.

So they used 50g for a 36kg pig? so something around 100g for a 70kg human?

 

[hunter_lewis]

Pigs severely lack the enzyme we possess to break down the SN so as to minimise Methb and as such SN is much more lethal and peaceful to them.

http://www.thepineywoods.com/FatalBaitAug14.htm

but doesn't this make SN not useful? Because if the pigs are barely dying with it, why would it work on humans (we have the enzyme to break it down?)
I am getting much more critical of the pph

 

[satou]

In a field trial, 12 radio-collared feral pigs were baited with the toxic paste bait formulation in prototype bait stations, where 11 of the 12 pigs consumed a lethal dose.
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I wonder about that one pig that survived....

Edit: lol it's in the text which I didn't see (forgot to scroll):

On night four the only pig that did not consume any toxic bait was observed as being excluded from the bait stations by other pigs.
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This amuses me so much. The other pigs bullied this one pig and that one was the only one to survive. Fucking owned.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

but doesn't this make SN not useful? Because if the pigs are barely dying with it, why would it work on humans (we have the enzyme to break it down?)
I am getting much more critical of the pph

I have always said that SN is neither reliable nor peaceful.

 

[hunter_lewis]

Writings of findings on sn poisoning in the feral hog population, it appears massive quantities of sn provide for a humane death. Looks like 150g. SN Per 3 pigs was used in the trials. Average time to death was 59 minutes in some trials. Below is the study.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...itrite_as_a_new_tool_for_feral_pig_management

I am not sure I am understanding this correctly: I skimmed through the text (didn't read everything though), how did you find the number of 150 g?

 

[hunter_lewis]

I have always said that SN is neither reliable nor peaceful.

argh, it seems there is no good way to day that is somehow easily accesible...
:/

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Writings of findings on sn poisoning in the feral hog population, it appears massive quantities of sn provide for a humane death. Looks like 150g. SN Per 3 pigs was used in the trials. Average time to death was 59 minutes in some trials. Below is the study.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...itrite_as_a_new_tool_for_feral_pig_management

I am not sure I am understanding this correctly: I skimmed through the text (didn't read everything though), how did you find the number of 150 g?

I didn't read the article. I got it from @Justanotherconsumer above.

 

[hunter_lewis]

I didn't read the article. I got it from @Justanotherconsumer above.

sure, no problem at all, I was actually quoting justanotherconsumer's post.
Seems that the 150 g per pig are wrong- it is more like 50 g per pig, because the groups of bait were divided into 3 and 1500g were to be consumed by 3 pigs. So each pig ate on average 500g of paste bait, of which 10% were sodium nitrite which gives a dosage of 50g per pig @Justanotherconsumer

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

So they used 50g for a 36kg pig? so something around 100g for a 70kg human?

I remember reading a ncbi case of someone who consumed 25g of sn and the methb level was 92% at the hospital they called assistance 5 minutes after taking and were unconscious when emergency arrived.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

I remember reading a ncbi case of someone who consumed 25g of sn and the methb level was 92% at the hospital they called assistance 5 minutes after taking and were unconscious when emergency arrived.

Did he survive? If not, how long did it take for him to pass?

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

sure, no problem at all, I was actually quoting justanotherconsumer's post.
Seems that the 150 g per pig are wrong- it is more like 50 g per pig, because the groups of bait were divided into 3 and 1500g were to be consumed by 3 pigs. So each pig ate on average 500g of paste bait, of which 10% were sodium nitrite which gives a dosage of 50g per pig @Justanotherconsumer

Yes 150g per 3 pigs, 50g per pig, although they have no idea of how much of the 1500g bait was actually consumed by each pig.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Did he survive? If not, how long did it take for him to pass?

Yes he survived but not by much at 92% methb concentration,with methylene blue, its completely reversible if gotten to in time

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Yes he survived but not by much at 92% methb concentration,with methylene blue, its completely reversible if gotten to in time

Poor guy...Why did he call the ER? Was he in a lot of pain?

 

[hunter_lewis]

Yes he survived but not by much at 92% methb concentration,with methylene blue, its completely reversible if gotten to in time

people die at a concentration of 70%, right?
so at 92 he sould have died?!

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

people die at a concentration of 70%, right?
so at 92 he sould have died?!

Its considered lethal at 70% but who knows how long would it take to die?

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Poor guy...Why did he call the ER? Was he in a lot of pain?

Doesent say but could be, survival instinct still comes into play when conscious, and a phones handy. Ill find the article and post.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Here is the case report of A 92% methb level in this case 15g sodium nitrite consumed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987464/

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Here is the case report of A 92% methb level in this case 15g sodium nitrite consumed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987464/

Fatal case

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21040485/

 

[mattwitt]

I have always said that SN is neither reliable nor peaceful.

It actually seems pretty reliable if you don't get any medical attention... The problem I have with this method is it doesn't seem peaceful at all even if you take every precaution possible. That is of course if you are young strong and healthy, If your very old, weak, lightweight, and terminally ill to begin with it might be rather peaceful.