SN - consequences of failed attempt

[Advisor321]

Currently I'm reading most of the threads about SN. In PPeH book they say that SN is quite peaceful way for ctb.
It causes hypoxia, methomoglobin causes less oxygen supply to our cells.

If this attempt is a failure, most of posts here are saying that there are no consequences for the body if somebody would found and called for emergency immediately, because there is an antidote.

My question is, is it true? If less oxygen is in our body, then we can develop heart attack ( myocardial infarction) or brain damage (kind of a stroke)

Has anyone considering SN as a method thought about this possibility?

 

[befree]

This is an interesting and important question. We already had this conversation. As far as I remember, most users think that failure does not cause permanent damage. But can people who failed with SN and have permanent damage still report about it in the forum ? This may be possible if it´s physical damage, but probably not in the case of brain damage. The antidote is Methylene-blue.

 

[Cathy Ames]

My question is, is it true? If less oxygen is in our body, then we can develop heart attack ( myocardial infarction) or brain damage (kind of a stroke)

Has anyone considering SN as a method thought about this possibility?

If you are reading the threads, then you already know there is disagreement here. Yes, some people here have thought about the possibility of heart attack/stroke and/or permanent damage related to hypoxia/anoxia. This will only matter in the case of a failure (i.e., where the person is found and revived after some amount of time that is "too long" has passed). I expect there will now be an argument, and I am putting this thread on ignore.

 

[PrincessInWhite]

I would make any decision going into this that there is a possibility of brain damage, regardless of "lack of evidence" on this site (also if someone became brain damaged after an attempt they likely wouldn't be on here posting saying so). We have no real way of knowing because this obviously isn't something that's being studied. Also, SN is a known carcinogen in much smaller amounts than it takes to CTB so if you survive an attempt and choose to recover you will be carrying that risk of cancer down the line. I'm not trying to scare monger anyone, I just think it's foolish to act like we know SN has zero adverse effects, we don't. i myself have some as a backup plan but hope not to have to use it.

 

[SofterSoftest]

To qualify my post, SN will likely be my method, so I have no vested interest in fear mongering. That being said, it's also important to acknowledge the risk of permanent kidney damage with a failed SN attempt. This is a condition that may be asymptomatic at first, but will certainly impact a person's quality of life over months/years.

Here's one study, among others, testing the effects of SN on renal function and other markers in rats.

 

[Advisor321]

To qualify my post, SN will likely be my method, so I have no vested interest in fear mongering. That being said, it's also important to acknowledge the risk of permanent kidney damage with a failed SN attempt. This is a condition that may be asymptomatic at first, but will certainly impact a person's quality of life over months/years.

Here's one study, among others, testing the effects of SN on renal function and other markers in rats.

Oh well, and I was thinking that SN is a safe method without long-term consequences

Guess I will be saving money for N

 

[PrisonBreak]

There are many threads with regards to your question. I personally have attempted with SN once and I came out just fine. I will attempt with SN again for the sole purpose of there being no serious discomfort.

Has SN damaged anyone's brain?: That we don't know. So I cannot just assume that there are consequences. I can only research and make a decision based on my findings.

 

[Shu]

I would make any decision going into this that there is a possibility of brain damage, regardless of "lack of evidence" on this site (also if someone became brain damaged after an attempt they likely wouldn't be on here posting saying so). We have no real way of knowing because this obviously isn't something that's being studied. Also, SN is a known carcinogen in much smaller amounts than it takes to CTB so if you survive an attempt and choose to recover you will be carrying that risk of cancer down the line. I'm not trying to scare monger anyone, I just think it's foolish to act like we know SN has zero adverse effects, we don't. i myself have some as a backup plan but hope not to have to use it.

I keep hearing people say " if they were brain damage they wouldn't be on here posting" if this were the case i feel like there would be articles out already about brain damage being caused by SN, but idk
I found this but it doesn't mention anything about how long it was before before found her

Fatal Methaemoglobinaemia Due To Intentional Sodium Nitrite Poisoning - PubMed

We report a case of fatal methaemoglobinaema resulting from sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28 year old woman arrested in the emergency department following collapse. During resuscitation a venous blood gas revealed a methaemoglobin percentage of 81%. Following treatment with methylene blue, sodium...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[PrincessInWhite]

I keep hearing people say " if they were brain damage they wouldn't be on here posting" if this were the case i feel like there would be articles out already about brain damage being caused by SN, but idk
I found this but it doesn't mention anything about how long it was before before found her

Fatal Methaemoglobinaemia Due To Intentional Sodium Nitrite Poisoning - PubMed

We report a case of fatal methaemoglobinaema resulting from sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28 year old woman arrested in the emergency department following collapse. During resuscitation a venous blood gas revealed a methaemoglobin percentage of 81%. Following treatment with methylene blue, sodium...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There's probably not a lot of articles it's a fairly new method in the scheme of things and because they don't want to give people ideas. Like I said, I'm not advocating for any particular method here, just that I don't think it's wise to assume it's totally safe. Someone also posted a study above explaining that a lot of the organ damage isn't immediately apparent and can take years to show up. It's just about level of risk and what you're comfortable with.

 

[DrWh033]

There is a decent amount of failed suicide attempts with SN ( even with very high sn dosages and methemoglobin %). I have not seen any permanent dmg described in any of the survivors ( one of the cases includes a MRI which shows evidence of hypoxia in the globus pallidus which is debatable if it is temporary manifestation or not). You can link any case where the survivor showed brain dgm or cardiac infarction ....I mean it does make sense as hypoxia leads to these things.

 

[Shu]

There is a decent amount of failed suicide attempts with SN ( even with very high sn dosages and methemoglobin %). I have not seen any permanent dmg described in any of the survivors ( one of the cases includes a MRI which shows evidence of hypoxia in the globus pallidus which is debatable if it is temporary manifestation or not). You can link any case where the survivor showed brain dgm or cardiac infarction ....I mean it does make sense as hypoxia leads to these things.

The nitric oxide acts as a nueroprotectant so if they are found to late after those affects where off they will probably have brain damage idk though. Maybe some can explain it better.

 

[Judy Garland]

Ahhh, this discussion yet again...

 

[canneloni12]

It's really demoralising to find an almost certain death through SN, then there's all this doubt all of a sudden.

 

[DyingMiND]

It's really demoralising to find an almost certain death through SN, then there's all this doubt all of a sudden.

We all know SN is a poison to our bodies causing methemoglobinemia and hypoxia/anoxia. Therefore, it should be understood that the outcome will vary amongst individuals depending on a myriad of factors which I will not go into details about now. SN was never an "almost certain death" and just a possible means to an end. When you mention having "doubt all of a sudden", it shows you haven't researched this avenue enough. People express doubt for numerous reasons and rightfully should, especially when several users on this forum state they failed their attempt by using SN. Nobody wants to fail, but the fact remains that everyone's body and situations are unique. Sharing doubts is a way to communicate about how people feel about using a particular method and if it's the best method for them. This is what is called "critical thinking".

People should be concerned about adverse outcomes of using SN (in this case) because it isn't foolproof. Hypoxia can cause a myocardial infarction, stroke (with subsequent brain damage), blindness, convulsions and many other serious bodily injuries. We read or hear of the ppeh stating it's "reliability is a 7 out of 10" but there really isn't any evidence in the book to back up this claim. What if you are old and frail with several medical comorbidities versus being young and very healthy? On this forum, we just read "goodbye" threads of people who took SN and if we don't hear back from them or they ban themselves, we tend to believe they were "successful". There aren't too many published cases out there because not too many people actually choose this method but, instead, use more lethal means such as a gun or hanging (use of a gun can even fail). Those cases tend to get more sensationalized by the media. Unless you have access to various scientific medical journals (especially forensics), most will not find the actual cases of attempted or completed suicides by SN. So, we search on the Internet, read what we find and then comment on it. As someone mentioned above, cases may not be leaked or told to the media because it could cause "copycat" suicides, especially with the ease of attainment of SN in most countries.

I am not advocating for anyone to use this method or not (or any other method for that matter). I'm definitely not fear mongering. I feel SS has given people a chance to share ideas, learn, address concerns, find hope, etc. In the end, each person must choose what they believe is best for them.

BTW, I'm not attacking you but trying to make a point that SN isn't the miracle agent for a quick and painless death. It may be for some, but not for others.

 

[Silent Forrest]

I Would think the amount of sodium taken in the SN method, would be way in excess of what your kidneys can filter, and would likely result in some form of kidney damage if you survived it.

 

[jodes2]

To qualify my post, SN will likely be my method, so I have no vested interest in fear mongering. That being said, it's also important to acknowledge the risk of permanent kidney damage with a failed SN attempt. This is a condition that may be asymptomatic at first, but will certainly impact a person's quality of life over months/years.

Here's one study, among others, testing the effects of SN on renal function and other markers in rats.

Would significant kidney damage really be caused by a single ctb attempt?

 

[freelifexit]

Would significant kidney damage really be caused by a single ctb attempt?

From post "SN Successful and Unsuccessful":

Jen0804: SN mixed with orange juice.
...
immediately after taking it and the whole two weeks after, my kidneys and bowels just weren't functioning, also couldn't feel hunger. I ate an apple and two bites of a hospital sandwich for a whole week or so (drank as normal) but I was so not hungry.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful.30211/

 

[ge0rge]

From post "SN Successful and Unsuccessful":

Jen0804: SN mixed with orange juice.
...
immediately after taking it and the whole two weeks after, my kidneys and bowels just weren't functioning, also couldn't feel hunger. I ate an apple and two bites of a hospital sandwich for a whole week or so (drank as normal) but I was so not hungry.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful.30211/

bro, what's up with you? did SN literally call you out on your micropenis?

 

[freelifexit]

bro, what's up with you? did SN literally call you out on your micropenis?

Your mom is telling you lies about my dick so you don't think you're the only one with a micro penis :)

 

[damaged_soul]

I would make any decision going into this that there is a possibility of brain damage, regardless of "lack of evidence" on this site (also if someone became brain damaged after an attempt they likely wouldn't be on here posting saying so). We have no real way of knowing because this obviously isn't something that's being studied. Also, SN is a known carcinogen in much smaller amounts than it takes to CTB so if you survive an attempt and choose to recover you will be carrying that risk of cancer down the line. I'm not trying to scare monger anyone, I just think it's foolish to act like we know SN has zero adverse effects, we don't. i myself have some as a backup plan but hope not to have to use it.

Interesting, would it be possible for me to take mini doses of SN daily to increase my risk of developing cancer? Due to survival instinct, I am afraid I might not be able to kill myself and I think my only hope might be developing cancer or some other terminal illness.

Oh well, and I was thinking that SN is a safe method without long-term consequences

Guess I will be saving money for N

There's no more N

 

[iltloml]

Every time I inch closer to taking SN I end up finding a thread like this and doubt everything all over again. Getting so tired of this cycle.

 

[LeavingEarly]

I would make any decision going into this that there is a possibility of brain damage, regardless of "lack of evidence" on this site (also if someone became brain damaged after an attempt they likely wouldn't be on here posting saying so). We have no real way of knowing because this obviously isn't something that's being studied. Also, SN is a known carcinogen in much smaller amounts than it takes to CTB so if you survive an attempt and choose to recover you will be carrying that risk of cancer down the line. I'm not trying to scare monger anyone, I just think it's foolish to act like we know SN has zero adverse effects, we don't. i myself have some as a backup plan but hope not to have to use it.

What's your backup plan?

 

[damaged_soul]

Every time I inch closer to taking SN I end up finding a thread like this and doubt everything all over again. Getting so tired of this cycle.

Literally same. I'm trying to remind myself that there are a lot more successes than failures with SN. I'm also trying to remind myself that "nothing worth doing is ever easy" and that I have to be ok with taking chances.

 

[iltloml]

Literally same. I'm trying to remind myself that there are a lot more successes than failures with SN. I'm also trying to remind myself that "nothing worth doing is ever easy" and that I have to be ok with taking chances.

Where do you draw the line though? I would be okay with cancer, kidney failure. Not ok with being a vegetable or blind.

 

[damaged_soul]

Where do you draw the line though? I would be okay with cancer, kidney failure. Not ok with being a vegetable or blind.

I'm pretty sure SN can't make you a vegetable, but hanging definitely can, so I'm personally never going to try hanging.

 

[iltloml]

I'm pretty sure SN can't make you a vegetable, but hanging definitely can, so I'm personally never going to try hanging.

How are you sure? We literally never know what's happens to the people who end up doing it. They just disappear. For all we know they are paralyzed

 

[damaged_soul]

How are you sure? We literally never know what's happens to the people who end up doing it. They just disappear. For all we know they are paralyzed

If that were to happen we'd see stuff about that in the medical literature.

 

[ge0rge]

How are you sure? We literally never know what's happens to the people who end up doing it. They just disappear. For all we know they are paralyzed

then don't use this method. no one is forcing you, and no one has to defend SN either

 

[Suicidebydeath]

I was thinking that SN is a safe method without long-term consequences

This is the crux, there is no such thing as a 'safe' suicide method. Any good method is meant to be lethal.

Whenever taking SN it should be done with the full intention to ctb, and not with "everything will be ok if I don't die". There's a good chance you'll die, even if you don't follow through with the second dose.

Just see surviving with hopefully fewer consequences as an added but inconsequential bonus. Yes it does appear to make SN more desirable. SN already has merits as a method to ctb and should be decided on those.

 

[iltloml]

then don't use this method. no one is forcing you, and no one has to defend SN either

If it was only that easy. I 100% intended to use it. I have mine. But there is so much circulation going around here about SN that puts a lot of doubt in my mind. It's not like a fool proof method but nothing is.